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Crypt is important for ya?

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    Votes: 66 64.1%

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    Votes: 16 15.5%

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encryption on files means processor overhead to decrypt for negligable protection (use PrntScreen to capture at reasonable resolutions).

also by changing the file name you have broken the EULA. the enforcablity and repercussions of this is something for the lawyers to discuss in court.

Ido said:
Any good lawyers around ? anyone knows if legal action against MA is possible in case they decide not to do anything?
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did you read the EULA?
You hereby grant MindArk the worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, right to exercise all intellectual property rights for any content you may upload to the Entropia universe, including, but not limited to, user-to-user communications.
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again, probably utterly unenforceable in many ways, but a dead cert get out for them in this scenario. i wouldn't waste money with a lawyer on that.
 
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aridash said:
encryption on files means processor overhead to decrypt for negligable protection (use PrntScreen to capture at reasonable resolutions).

also by changing the file name you have broken the EULA. the enforcablity and repercussions of this is something for the lawyers to discuss in court.
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Very true.
Btw I submitted too a Support Case...:(
 
You cannot protect art like that, no matter how you encrypt it. It is still humanly visible, thus there is a device or procedure that can copy an exact or close quality version.

The only protection actually needed is the copyright. You give your art to MA, because they can enforce their copyright, YOU CAN'T!
 
mrproper said:
You cannot protect art like that, no matter how you encrypt it. It is still humanly visible, thus there is a device or procedure that can copy an exact or close quality version.

The only protection actually needed is the copyright. You give your art to MA, because they can enforce their copyright, YOU CAN'T!
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Not really, the downloaded file are the originals one (well, was, I deleted the files prior to submit my support case!:( )
Not an 1024x760 printscreen copy!
 
actam said:
Not really, the downloaded file are the originals one (well, was, I deleted the files prior to submit my support case!:( )
Not an 1024x760 printscreen copy!
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I was referring to a case of some security. And you do not need to delete the files, your EULA allows you to hold them as much as you want, if you do not use them or change them in any other way except by using EU.

MindArk has taken measures to prevent theft, at least in writing, and even if they take factual measures, anyone willing enough will still be able to steal art.
 
Perhaps when an artist sells a piece of art MA should make it so they can give a numbered certificate of authenticity to the buyer with it, that has maybe a code on it, a bit like an estate deed. That way, forgeries will be easy to spot...

Creativity such as was on display last night must be protected at all costs, it enhances the EU experience immeasurably
 
mrproper said:
The only protection actually needed is the copyright. You give your art to MA, because they can enforce their copyright, YOU CAN'T!
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As soon as you make something you have copyright over it. You yourself can enforce copyright. you just have to prove you made it first.

Lovely lovely Timestamps
 
With this flaw any player can change the artwork in the folder and get to wiev whatever they want ingame that be all the stuff that wouldnt pass MA´s censorship also including sexual and forbidden symbols , hmm MA better fix this before verry rude screenshots appears online
 
Hally said:
With this flaw any player can change the artwork in the folder and get to wiev whatever they want ingame that be all the stuff that wouldnt pass MA´s censorship also including sexual and forbidden symbols , hmm MA better fix this before verry rude screenshots appears online
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Censorship of art is hard you know. One persons art is another person offence.

I know alot of the work I do to some people is considered erotic and possibly pornographic because i draw nude woman and any form of nudity could be class under that. Where as some people will just class it as fine art.
 
digital watermarking

For those people submitting their own copyrighted artwork, I'd seriously recommend to use something similar to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking

A good digital watermarking software can embed invisible watermarks (including timestamps and author info) on pictures, so it is kept even across certain types of image tampering (such as resizing and so...).

/jdegre.
 
TotalTwist said:
As soon as you make something you have copyright over it. You yourself can enforce copyright. you just have to prove you made it first.

Lovely lovely Timestamps
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u think this would prove i drew it ? :D

anyway i leave the gallery open ... Im NOT! going to close the gallery i still want people to come and enjoy art ... and i hope all are decent enough to restrain theselves from copying the art and using it irl or ingame for profit...

If anyone is interested in buying a piece of art and support me please step forward :) with your support i will be able to create more sketches and art pieces for evil people to steal and you to enjoy...

Ido
 
Ido said:
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u think this would prove i drew it ? :D

anyway i leave the gallery open ... Im NOT! going to close the gallery i still want people to come and enjoy art ... and i hope all are decent enough to restrain theselves from copying the art and using it irl or ingame for profit...

If anyone is interested in buying a piece of art and support me please step forward :) with your support i will be able to create more sketches and art pieces for evil people to steal and you to enjoy...

Ido
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Its a lovely drawing sweety :)

But i mean your first Jpeg that you have has a timestamp on it showing when it was created. Thats proof enough. Even if you dont have the original IRL sketch.

And i think everyone knows those are yours sweety;)
 
jdegre said:
For those people submitting their own copyrighted artwork, I'd seriously recommend to use something similar to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking

A good digital watermarking software can embed invisible watermarks (including timestamps and author info) on pictures, so it is kept even across certain types of image tampering (such as resizing and so...).

/jdegre.
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I will be sure to use the digital watermark/timestamp you mention Jdegre fot the next series of uploads i am planning :)

Thank you for the heads up i dont realy do digital art and wasnt expecting MA to be so... childish

Ido
 
* Yirrk slips into his black catsuit and ski mask* Spreads the blueprints of Bilton on the table...*

:cool:






(just kidding!)
 
For Sale In Mall

While I was at the Twin Peaks Mall I saw these very same pictures for sale in a store. Ido do you know this person???? Floor2 #05L. I will not put the name of the person here. I hope they have your permission.
 
:rolleyes: And so it begins..... :rolleyes:

This is why I've refrained from uploading my work ...that and the fact that I do not trust MA one whit.
 
Well once you upload a file to MA, according to EULA, and I know its not truly legally binding, you grant MA all rights, priveleges and some other words. I think by the way they worded this if you use the pictures in that folder it would be the same as going into another game and unpacking their pictures and using them.

Also encryption and decryption would take up valuable server resources. Imagine, like in the picture that shows Ido's gallery opening. 50 avatars walk into a gallery with 50 pictures at roughly the same time. That means the server is chugging away on a decryption algorithm for 2500 pieces of art. On top of everything else that still has to happen. I don't know much about encryption but I am guessing that any encryption algorithm that is relativly difficult to break will take some significant, relative, processor time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think MA hopes in part the EULA will shade them and that the encryption/decryption of user content was an unnecessary server load.

EDIT: I am not trying to downplay the bad thing people will do with this as, no proof yet so..., is shown a couple posts up
 
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Bunny said:
For Sale In Mall

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While I was at the Twin Peaks Mall I saw these very same pictures for sale in a store. Ido do you know this person???? Floor2 #05L. I will not put the name of the person here. I hope they have your permission.
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My art is for sale in Smorebles Shop in TwinPeaks Mall floor 2 and in Leeloos shop in TI City Platinium building TP side those two are fully legal places to buy and i encourage art lovers to take the opportunity to aqcuire one of the pieces for their collection :)

These are two good friends of mine who offered to help me distribute the work to the comunity :)

NO THEFT HERE :)
thank you for your concern
i really appreciate that :)

Ido

P.S. Encryption/Decryption could be done Client Side:)
 
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Yirrk said:
:rolleyes: And so it begins..... :rolleyes:

This is why I've refrained from uploading my work ...that and the fact that I do not trust MA one whit.
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Yeah I have to agree here. I have many times thought about uploading some current works and now doing so ingame would be pretty cool but just like in RL I wouldnt want someone else to profit from it unless they are going to give me my share. So far I have just uploaded a few to the AoW forum and they are not anything current or refined. As much as I would like to show some hand drawn or oils I am leary atm until MA gives us some security. I wonder if the Oxford Gallery artists are experiencing the same thing or are their paintings protected in some fashion. hmmmmm :scratch2:

Well I hope this doesnt cause to much of a headache. GL Ido and I share your appreciation for Shirow's art. I have been a huge Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed fan for many many years.
 
shroeder said:
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Also encryption and decryption would take up valuable server resources. Imagine, like in the picture that shows Ido's gallery opening. 50 avatars walk into a gallery with 50 pictures at roughly the same time. That means the server is chugging away on a decryption algorithm for 2500 pieces of art. On top of everything else that still has to happen. I don't know much about encryption but I am guessing that any encryption algorithm that is relativly difficult to break will take some significant, relative, processor time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think MA hopes in part the EULA will shade them and that the encryption/decryption of user content was an unnecessary server load.

EDIT: I am not trying to downplay the bad thing people will do with this as, no proof yet so..., is shown a couple posts up
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:confused: Why you think that MAs servers are needed? Its absolute no problem to let the client do the encryption while uploading and to decrypt the needed files in memory. There is no extra load for MAs servers.
MA was just lazy, thats all. And if MA thinks they are protected by the EULA and can "spam around" our Art and Work, you wrong MA.
 
I've been asked to delete the thread.
I did contact Skam to close/delete the thread.
See no evil, ear no evil!:(
 
WHAT???:mad:
Who "asked" you?

sounds like "bend over and spread them" to me.....
 
WHY IS THIS THREAD CLOSING????:eek:

It's IMPORTANT to make things like this KNOWN, Dammit!!
 
actam said:
I've been asked to delete the thread.
I did contact Skam to close/delete the thread.
See no evil, ear no evil!:(
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I've been reading this thread since it started. I would also like to know who asked you to close it and why.

Did someone offer you something in exchange for your silence? Can you really be bought off so easily?

We want names. We want to know who is working for MA and is asking people to keep their mouths shut about security problems!

NAMES... WE WANT NAMES!!!

:D
 
black_rain13 said:
I've been reading this thread since it started. I would also like to know who asked you to close it and why.

Did someone offer you something in exchange for your silence? Can you really be bought off so easily?

We want names. We want to know who is working for MA and is asking people to keep their mouths shut about security problems!

NAMES... WE WANT NAMES!!!

:D
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An artist asked me to lock/delete the thread.
 
Again - WHY?? I'm an artist and I damn well would want to know about this Sh*t going on !!:eek:
 
I have uploaded too. I want this thread to stay open!
 
The thread will reamin open!​
Skam convinced me to edit the first post to get the hack out.

So, thiefs, work your way around!

(and, btw, it not was MA that asked me to close but an artist ;))
 
The support email that I received:

02 Mar 2007 Entropia Support:
Hi,
We can understand this is a sensitive matter and we will try to address the different aspects of the problem.
Unfortunately, image encryption is not a feasible option, as graphic cards cannot display encrypted images, meaning any encrypted image would have to be unencrypted before being displayed, thereby making the whole effort meaningless.
While images are stored on participants’ computers, the exclusive rights of the material are protected within the Entropia Universe by the EULA §9 which prohibits participants from displaying copyrighted materials or materials created by other participants. This allows MindArk to effectively protect the exclusive rights of your materials within the Entropia Universe.
As we are all aware, the internet has given rise to serious copyright and distribution difficulties which are being wrestled with by many large corporations and we will naturally follow all developments closely.

We hope that this helps in clarifying our position.

Regards,
Entropia Support
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