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Ok, so this guy is and must be the same guy who loaned from me back in October!
I loaned him several times 4-5-6-10k peds and got them back all the time. Once the loan became 18k, he said he had problems with his wife and work, rl etc. Just like what he told you. He might be right and having those problems and i still believe in him actually... I'm giving him more time before shaming his uber name as he is or should be a respected name.

When did you give him those 6k and when did he respond? I'm intersted to know this ...

I loaned him 6k in April and till now got 2k back about a month ago.
He was kind of responding to PM explaining he is having problems etc. then he said he is no longer playing with this ava, what was strange for me after he said he is out from the game my friend got Pm from him asking for the same type of loan. Then contact was more and more difficult i was sending emails without any response and lately i stopped getting response on Pm's in game even when i saw this ava was crafting.

You might we right and all this is because he's having some problems irl but there is a lot fishy stuff going on and i feel better if i warn other players, i mean if you have debts first thing you do is pay them and not to try borrow from others to keep clicking.
 

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Someone who ask to borrow money dont have afford.
 

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Agree, I can't believe he scammed me/us as he been Nice and payd me always back with nice gifts. Just now he might have some rl problem indeed. So to OP. Lets wait a bit more :) I been waiting almost a year soon lol
Very few ppl had or have the financial background to gable in a game and to click so hard this damn BP. So it wouldn't a surprise at all to me, some of them get in a "shitty" situation with no return.
I might not call "scam" this situtation. I think he willing to pay he's dept if he get things settle and avoid to enter more in the addiction "shit hole".
 
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Knowing that is the guy who screwed you Rocky and now this person also.... I can't wait to get home and log on and have a nice talk with him about what I think of scamming. He will be the next Sky... Something if he doesn't start making payments.
I'm patient as you can see since October 2015. I like to trust people. Because I know to a degree if a person is a scammer or not. If this fails and he turns to be a scammer, well too bad for him is all I can say. I will feel just bad for him, nothing more.

Lukasz said:
I loaned him 6k in April and till now got 2k back about a month ago.
He was kind of responding to PM explaining he is having problems etc. then he said he is no longer playing with this ava, what was strange for me after he said he is out from the game my friend got Pm from him asking for the same type of loan. Then contact was more and more difficult i was sending emails without any response and lately i stopped getting response on Pm's in game even when i saw this ava was crafting.

You might we right and all this is because he's having some problems irl but there is a lot fishy stuff going on and i feel better if i warn other players, i mean if you have debts first thing you do is pay them and not to try borrow from others to keep clicking.
This is where it sounds to be fishy to me too and I will PM him this thread here. He said he don't asnwer since his wife plays. Could be right or wrong.

He gave me his email and phone number in Australia where he lives at back then. But the phone is blocked since he now is suppostly in Europe somewhere, i think UK since he originally is from there. I started to think he is a scammer when I did not get respons from phone and didn't think more about it untill some months later he PMed me on EL telling me his RL problems and that he will pay back at end of June which now passed and nothing yet still. Got yet another mail saying he will pay all, but did not say the time frame.

Anyway as conclustion; he might saying the truth and as a "friend", all i can do is wait, or he is purely a scammer. In chat last case, don't give him any PEDs he asks for it.

Lukazs, I will wait and hope u do the same. He gave u 2k out of the 6k, so means he is "willing" to give ...
Just my 18k is bigger amount :/
 

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i don't know who your talking about, but i think its 1 of 2 or 3 i have in my mind (1 feels a stronger contender however)

but knowing how an addicted gambler works, and the fact they always feel a big win is just around the corner, they get themselves into a hole forever chasing their losses and getting deeper and deeper into the red. When money stops they get eaten up by the fact the next click could be the jackpot, so they borrow with the confidence the big one will come and debts can be paid off.... the problem is they dont, so they borrow more and more getting deeper and deeper, losing friends, family and future. Until it ends by whichever means, seeing a professional, Intevention or worse.

now if this is the case, we shouldn't be enabling gambling addictions by lending, calling them scammers isn't helpful, we should be trying to help the player stop. MA have created a slot machine and should maybe look at a way of preventing this ever getting too bad, its a game not a casino. Quick thought would be to have a daily limit you can use the crafting machine, maybe 5 hours, that wouldn't affect anyone but the ones with the issue or remove EP4 bp
 

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Games up.

Hello.

Well. It's me. I admit it. Things got a little crazy in my life, and we'll the quest for a ep4 ath kinda ruined a lot of things.

I have failed investments in EU. My account is now banned and I have just lost 9 years of investment and a lot of nice skills and some items in the bank.

Yes I took your investments but you stood to gain, 5k gave 8k back and many of you have made a lot of ped from me over the past year. So when I hear you have lost 18k, well maybe you invested 12k and stood to make 6k profit. So you lost 12k. Now, as I am banned I can't repay unless it's in real cash or PayPal. I also think you guys are at risk as you were making money by 'lending ped' I can list all the investors names but I won't. I will pay all my debts if I can get my account back. But until then... Zip. Unless you want me to break the Eula and give you cash for your ped? I needed more time to repay the investments but you could not wait. So now we are where we are. If you had waited one more month until I finished my tour we would of been fine, but it's done now.

Just to confirm. Everyone who invested did it with a 30 to 40 percent return on investment. So the please save the tears, and admit it, we are all gamblers and risk takers here. And we are all greedy.

I will get all your ped to you. I promise. K.
 

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Hello.

Well. It's me. I admit it. Things got a little crazy in my life, and we'll the quest for a ep4 ath kinda ruined a lot of things.

I have failed investments in EU. My account is now banned and I have just lost 9 years of investment and a lot of nice skills and some items in the bank.

Yes I took your investments but you stood to gain, 5k gave 8k back and many of you have made a lot of ped from me over the past year. So when I hear you have lost 18k, well maybe you invested 12k and stood to make 6k profit. So you lost 12k. Now, as I am banned I can't repay unless it's in real cash or PayPal. I also think you guys are at risk as you were making money by 'lending ped' I can list all the investors names but I won't. I will pay all my debts if I can get my account back. But until then... Zip. Unless you want me to break the Eula and give you cash for your ped? I needed more time to repay the investments but you could not wait. So now we are where we are. If you had waited one more month until I finished my tour we would of been fine, but it's done now.

Just to confirm. Everyone who invested did it with a 30 to 40 percent return on investment. So the please save the tears, and admit it, we are all gamblers and risk takers here. And we are all greedy.

I will get all your ped to you. I promise. K.
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My problem with you is not the loaning or the investment or making money out of you. I helped you since you needed and yes you did give me / us some extra peds. But I did not ask or required that...

My problem with you is that you ignored me. For how long time I tried to reach you without a luck? Once I hear something from is usually after some months. You kind og delaied time after time after saying you will pay back some of my money. first was december last year, so you quitted the contact untill summer time and said I will get it at end of June or so. Waited and still nothing And still nothing ... So what am I have to believe in now?

I wouldn't have a problem if you would say u will pay back in this or that time even if it was a long time if you just had kept ur word. But it failed time after time :/

You should never Chase ATH like that. Old time big hofs are OVER. They may pop up but is like 1/10 chance or less than before. Now it's the mindless slavery grinding era. (Imp loot ftw)

Btw, i trusted u and still do and untill this point didn't call u a scammer unlike others did. After all this, yet I did not report you, go imagine.
 
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I will be deleting this forum account now and not returning to this forum. I don't like the use of real names or the mention of my family/wife. K

Additional - Thank you Rock for deleting my name and the comments about my wife, as i say all ped will be returned including your interest one way or another.



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My problem with you is not the loaning or the investment or making money out of you. I helped you since you needed and yes you did give me / us some extra peds. But I did not ask or required that...

My problem with you is that you ignored me. For how long time I tried to reach you without a luck? Once I hear something from is usually after some months. You kind og delaied time after time after saying you will pay back some of my money. first was december last year, so you quitted the contact untill summer time and said I will get it at end of June or so. Waited and still nothing. You said you would give wife your wife some Money to gie me, and still nothing ... So what am I have to believe in now?

I wouldn't have a problem if you would say u will pay back in this or that time even if it was a long time if you just had kept ur word. But it failed time after time :/

You should never Chase ATH like that. Old time big hofs are OVER. They may pop up but is like 1/10 chance or less than before. Now it's the mindless slavery grinding era. (Imp loot ftw)

Btw, i trusted u and still do and untill this point didn't call u a scammer unlike others did. After all this, yet I did not report you, og imagine.[/QUOTE]
 
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That's an issuse for u? Well fixed it...
Keep it on private if u want. PM me in game, EL or email as u used to before.
 

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In game - You didnt read!!!??? Banned. So that's not possible.

Anyway - requested forum account delete so wont be replying again.
 

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In game - You didnt read!!!??? Banned. So that's not possible.

Anyway - requested forum account delete so wont be replying again.
The point of deleting your account is what? So that non can contact you?
Chill a bit. There is a solution to everything. But with deleting Your acc, meaning you will never come back to us, right?
Yet you wrote you promise to pay back. How will that be if so?

(Can't seem to be able to PM u in forum)
 

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Sorry to see you got in troubles Kundred, hope all goes well and you get back on track.

To the others that were lending money to Kundred, it's interesting to see how you accuse the guy that lost money clicking EP4 but you still accepted to give him money because you see the ROI to damn good to miss. You actually clicked yourself the EP4 Bp, because you knew that it's a very big chance that this guy would lose all and eventually not being able to pay.

Kundred asked money from me also, and since he's a long time player, I was very close to lend him some, but after I saw the that he want to pay 13-14k ped for 10k borrowed(1 month) I realized that this guy is in trouble I didn't want to help him go event deeper.
You don't give money to a drug addict, and please don't tell me you didn't knew what he was going to to with the money, I just can't believe you.

Anyway, hope all learn something from this thread, Kundred seems a nice guy so you would actually get your money back after all.

Greediness(palyers +devs) is killing what is was one time a nice game with a nice community.
 

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Hi. Deleting forum account as I don't want to get into this argument.

My entropia account got locked today, so I guess someone raised it with MA. So I can't talk in game or give you ped back in game as I don't have my 9 year old account!!!!!! So message me in entropia life. I am banned from the game at the moment, I am asking MA to unban me so I can pay you back but who knowa what they will do. I would suggest the investors don't name themselves here as they have also broken the Eula by operation money lending services in the game without license. K
 

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Sorry to see you got in troubles Kundred, hope all goes well and you get back on track.

To the others that were lending money to Kundred, it's interesting to see how you accuse the guy that lost money clicking EP4 but you still accepted to give him money because you see the ROI to damn good to miss. You actually clicked yourself the EP4 Bp, because you knew that it's a very big chance that this guy would lose all and eventually not being able to pay.

Kundred asked money from me also, and since he's a long time player, I was very close to lend him some, but after I saw the that he want to pay 13-14k ped for 10k borrowed(1 month) I realized that this guy is in trouble I didn't want to help him go event deeper.
You don't give money to a drug addict, and please don't tell me you didn't knew what he was going to to with the money, I just can't believe you.

Anyway, hope all learn something from this thread, Kundred seems a nice guy so you would actually get your money back after all.

Greediness(palyers +devs) is killing what is was one time a nice game with a nice community.
Actually no, i didnt know what he did to begin with. I mean he had like what, 4-5 AThs before? Thought a guy with knowledge of game knew what he were doing. I didn't care what he did with it as his word of returning it was more than enough for me. And the fact that he is here writing is good. But he might not been here if his account wasn't locked?

I'm sure MA can open his acc back if some ask them to, perhaps. But for what? I wish I knew him more in rl to know his situation, but he is very hard to reach and ignoring most the posts anyway.

Once again I hope things turns good for him in RL as he indeed seem to be a good and honorable guy, if we just don't add this problem
 

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Again it feels so fishy, just a few days ago you were still crafting and i didn't hear a word from you until you got banned. I dont know maybe im wrong but i feel like if not that you would just keep ignoring people all the time.
 

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I'm not sure exactly what he could have been banned for, i've looked down the terms of use and eula and nothing really stands out as a reason (if its to do with borrowing money and not paying back)

i guess maybe
c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe.
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g. You may not use the Entropia Universe to engage in any misleading or deceptive activity.

but it's questionable if he broke these, he's not interfered with another player's enjoyment, they willingly lent the money. (g) is possible, only if he intended to not pay it back before he borrowed the money, which we don't know, could appear a little pyramid schemey

n. Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.

it's possible MA have temp banned the account for his own protection, realised there is a money/gambling problem, froze the account while they get it all back in order before it all gets out of hand, try to get him to see the damage his actions are causing and pay back the lent money (not the promised amount)

end of the day its all speculation, the only people who know the details are MA and Kunrad. They will talk it out and a decision will be made. I hope Kunrad is able to pay the loans back, regain his account and avoid borrowing again, would be awful to use a 9 year account
 

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Kundred - if all of this is true, and you were offering 30-40% ROI, without the investors knowledge that the method you intended to use to raise capital had a far lower ROI (negative 10%)... you could be in serious trouble.

I would suggest paying all "investors" back, immediately, through what ever means possible (BACS, PayPal, cheque). You've already broken the EULA due to your in-game activities, and you're already banned.

If this doesn't happen, it would take a simple case with just 1 stung investor and Mindark and you will find yourself looking at potential jail time - in the UK:

1. Confidence fraud
These are frauds where the perpetrator wins the confidence of the victim and obtains money or other property by deception. These include advance fee frauds, so called ‘419 scams’, foreign lottery scams and bogus charity scams. In short, they usually include any kind of fraud where someone is conned out of money or other assets. A common factor in many of these frauds is the targeting of vulnerable victims. Also, they will often be multiple frauds, i.e. many victims are deceived in the same way.

These offences are usually charged under the Fraud Act (section 1), where the maximum sentence permitted by law is 10 years imprisonment. For allegations of false accounting under the Theft Act 1968, 7 years is the maximum.

However, sentences of this length are relatively rare, and usually reserved for the most serious criminal organisations. They range in seriousness from large scale frauds to so called ‘one off’ confidence frauds.
Less Serious ‘one-off’ Confidence Frauds
At the lower end of the spectrum are one-off frauds, in which only one deception has taken place. Where the victim is vulnerable, a typical sentence might range between a community based sentence and 6 months imprisonment, although this can increase to around 18 months where the amount of money is very large.
If Kundred has deleted his account here, I would suggest one of the investors forward this on to him. The flow of money logged by MA (along with in-game chat logs) will make this a very easy prima facie case.
 

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Kundred - if all of this is true, and you were offering 30-40% ROI, without the investors knowledge that the method you intended to use to raise capital had a far lower ROI (negative 10%)... you could be in serious trouble.

I would suggest paying all "investors" back, immediately, through what ever means possible (BACS, PayPal, cheque). You've already broken the EULA due to your in-game activities, and you're already banned.

If this doesn't happen, it would take a simple case with just 1 stung investor and Mindark and you will find yourself looking at potential jail time - in the UK:





If Kundred has deleted his account here, I would suggest one of the investors forward this on to him. The flow of money logged by MA (along with in-game chat logs) will make this a very easy prima facie case.
I agree with your post, its opened up possible outside game issues, but that would require the proof that he never intended to pay back before he borrowed the money, otherwise its a bad investment, possibly due to no contract been drawn up or risks informed could open up possible civil action, but with the 'all trades are final' stance, i'm not sure.
MA would probably have logs tho, large amounts borrowed together and not repaid would guarantee fraud, but spread over months with some loans repaid and other not, probably wouldn't.
 

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Last post on this issue.

Hello People.

I know we all love to have an opinion and say our 5 cents... so say what you want - I wont be replying or biting whatever. I wont be looking at the post again.

If I owe you Ped don't panic. I have spoken with MA and I will be repaying all investments over the next couple of months, all debts will be paid by November 2016. I will contact you in game over the next few days and exchange emails etc. Please message me in game. I will be playing 100%, my wife no longer has access. I am not going to discuss how this happened, its my problem and i will solve it with the investors directly.

Speak in game soon. I am very sorry.

K
 

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Whats the stats on this for now?

I got 4k so far.
14k left.
Another dealine passed and nothing :spank:

How about others?
 

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Just a little update.

Remaining is 0 PEDs finally after some years.

He pays, just takes time!
 
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wow.........i looked at the dates after reading last post...
 

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Glad to hear he payed after all..
But my tip is to newer ewer loan or lend anything with out coleterall just saying...:wise:
 
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