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Now, I'm really, really angry !:mad::mad::mad:

I just bought a herman 404 arctic last day, and i had it maxed. After this VU it needs level 58.
Ty much MA to let me think to sell out. I'm tired to see every VU a nerf! You just take our money and time!

I'm not longer agree what MA is doing! Why the hell we have to write threads like this? Does MA think with making all bad they get more players. Does they think ppl going to depo $ this way? I improved my pocket now! No more depo to MA! Anyone will buy my shop? I'm really think to sell all my stuff and move out that cash from EU. :eyecrazy::scratch2::mad:
 

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I'd say thats a pretty high lvl req for the gun...
 

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I got caught too. Putting gun in storage and hope to be able to use it next year.
 

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F-ing BS! High lvl for that gun that changed over night..

we all know they can just up and do whatever they want at any time, doesn't mean that they have to.....

what a shame and disappointment. srry dude.
 

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MA are clearly now in the middle of the biggest skills nerf since the progression graph was steepened about 5 years ago.

It began in the last VU with the Retro Longblades, whose dps is 13 levels below the previous swords, now we have the Ark guns adjusted upwards, and the admission by the Ark developers that more changes are to come over the whole Universe.
 

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MA are clearly now in the middle of the biggest skills nerf since the progression graph was steepened about 5 years ago.

It began in the last VU with the Retro Longblades, whose dps is 13 levels below the previous swords, now we have the Ark guns adjusted upwards, and the admission by the Ark developers that more changes are to come over the whole Universe.
It is more complicated than that. The hit and damage skills give less dps at the same level, but no matter the level you can find a reasonably priced weapon to use with those levels. Or at least have a good chance for that. Except if you want to use clubs or powerfists, then you are fucked. The value of having high evader (dodger) levels and paramedic skills has been going up, and will very probably continue to do so. Same for more HP, but its also easier to gain HP.

They are trying to create order out of chaos of random item introductions, including on multiple planets. We are paying for them having been asleep at the wheel, unfortunately.
 

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I just avoid any nerf they do!

It has start with the feff cave reduction token--- i just don't go there any more.
Now they nerfed levis-- I just don't hunt them any more!
They nerfed herman 404-- never again i will buy one!

the more they nerf from now, the less i have tools to play and spend money to EU.

How long we just say "amen" to MAs nerfs? Me not! I still avoid all nerfs from now!

AMEN
 

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the Herman law 303 + series is nerfed to

Herman law 303 still same skill 27, but Herman law 303 jungle/artic/desert now got 46/44/42 in skills

making them on line with Geotreck 26. it got a max dmg of 114. The Herman law 303 got 91 max dmg, and a skilll of 44. making it total useless. compared to skill dmg and price.

i seriously doubt that any player, will buy one now, the are total un eco. so what s is the matter her.

i got 35 in laser HIT and 33 in DMG. the next sib gun must have skills going from 30 to 33, so the DMG issent to low. but ther is no guns in that range for sale on the aution

following guns maxed on Isis lr 53. Isis lr 59 my skills is a bit to low.
Geotreck 22 skills is a bit to high, and there is non for sale. ???
Geotreck 24 skills is a bit to low and the is to few for sale and the % is to high.
the new Geotreck, 35 my skills is to low sins my DMG is only 33 so the DMG is much to low to use it.

There-for at the moment there is not enough leaser weapon for players in that skill range cr 29-38 to use, and if there is no weapons to buy. haw are i going to hunt. so i can skill up to guns i can use.
Ges im am not going to due much marymayhame this December.

And for those that bought one, not knowing to this nerf id say the got cheated, and should get a chance to use the weapon till it is out of tt, ore other wise get compensated.
 

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following guns maxed on Isis lr 53. Isis lr 59 my skills is a bit to low.
Geotreck 22 skills is a bit to high, and there is non for sale. ???
Geotreck 24 skills is a bit to low and the is to few for sale and the % is to high.
the new Geotreck, 35 my skills is to low sins my DMG is only 33 so the DMG is much to low to use it.
EWE LC-120 Purpose(L) start sib on level 25 and should max around level 30. Marcorp Kallous-7 (L) starts sib at 30, but you probably are not maxed on it yet. LR48 & LR53 do seem to be still available.
 

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Now, I'm really, really angry !:mad::mad::mad:

I just bought a herman 404 arctic last day, and i had it maxed. After this VU it needs level 58.
Ty much MA to let me think to sell out.QUOTE]

Buying Herman 404 arctic!

in all seriousness that really sucks, seems like a fair blow what was it maxed at before?
 

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I just avoid any nerf they do!

It has start with the feff cave reduction token--- i just don't go there any more.
Now they nerfed levis-- I just don't hunt them any more!
They nerfed herman 404-- never again i will buy one!

the more they nerf from now, the less i have tools to play and spend money to EU.

How long we just say "amen" to MAs nerfs? Me not! I still avoid all nerfs from now!

AMEN
Here is a top tip ... You stated in the Bertha Bot thread that you won't log on until they fixed makup... How about you stick to that and then we do not need to read your whining posts anymore?

and fyi, I support MA in this change, finally skills are making sense again and maybe one day we won't see level 10 hunters solo'ing levis, scoria etc. cause they are so easy ... There should be a weapon ladder and a mob ladder to make people want to skill

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the Herman law 303 + series is nerfed to

Herman law 303 still same skill 27, but Herman law 303 jungle/artic/desert now got 46/44/42 in skills

making them on line with Geotreck 26. it got a max dmg of 114. The Herman law 303 got 91 max dmg, and a skilll of 44. making it total useless. compared to skill dmg and price.

i seriously doubt that any player, will buy one now, the are total un eco. so what s is the matter her.
These weapons are just as eco as they ever were, same dpp, dps as long as you have them maxed. But they may not be any use to you anymore if you dont have them maxed. Certainly its frustrating. I looted an Ark-40 D tonight. Last week that would have been perfect for my mayhem plans. This week I am wondering if put it on auction and hope that others can use it or if I put it away for a few months until I manage to gain the levels required to max it
 

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EWE LC-120 Purpose(L) start sib on level 25 and should max around level 30. Marcorp Kallous-7 (L) starts sib at 30, but you probably are not maxed on it yet. LR48 & LR53 do seem to be still available.
but never is a ewe120 in auction. i search one for days now... and im also not willing to pay 140+ % MU for such guns!

It is easy, no gun no hunt no money for MA.
 

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Here is a top tip ... You stated in the Bertha Bot thread that you won't log on until they fixed makup... How about you stick to that and then we do not need to read your whining posts anymore?

and fyi, I support MA in this change, finally skills are making sense again and maybe one day we won't see level 10 hunters solo'ing levis, scoria etc. cause they are so easy ... There should be a weapon ladder and a mob ladder to make people want to skill

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Why you read my post, if you find i whine?

I just say what i think... get it how you like!
What would you say, if you buy a gun, and next day you can't use it?

You say then wow, great what MA is doing, or what? They could give out a warning, some days before they change things like this!

common ppl aweak!
 

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but never is a ewe120 in auction. i search one for days now... and im also not willing to pay 140+ % MU for such guns!

It is easy, no gun no hunt no money for MA.
Why are you not willing to pay 140% for it? LC-120 @ 140% + A104 gives you 2.859 hp/pec and 41.35 hp/sec.
This is the same eco and dps you would get for paying 105% for LR48(L). Except nobody ever got these that cheap. Markup on its own is pretty much meaningless.

Availability is certainly a problem and will continue to be so, I'm afraid.
 

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Why are you not willing to pay 140% for it? LC-120 @ 140% + A104 gives you 2.859 hp/pec and 41.35 hp/sec.
This is the same eco and dps you would get for paying 105% for LR48(L). Except nobody ever got these that cheap. Markup on its own is pretty much meaningless.

Availability is certainly a problem and will continue to be so, I'm afraid.

The problem is, you can buy cheap noob L guns below 140% and it also have Uber L guns (a lot) below 140%.
but the midd player like me have to buy guns with more as 140%! Why don't drop more guns, so they cost same % as noob and uber L guns?
 

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The problem is, you can buy cheap noob L guns below 140% and it also have Uber L guns (a lot) below 140%.
but the midd player like me have to buy guns with more as 140%! Why don't drop more guns, so they cost same % as noob and uber L guns?
There is no problem at all when you understand what he says, 140%-160% maybe a great price for a gun with low decay and good eco... much better than pay 130% on a 404 artic Rifle or such

if you want to stay eco & save markup & at low Levels you have to go with P5a for everything else get SKills or spend more money ;)
 
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This:

Here is a top tip ... You stated in the Bertha Bot thread that you won't log on until they fixed makup... How about you stick to that and then we do not need to read your whining posts anymore?

and fyi, I support MA in this change, finally skills are making sense again and maybe one day we won't see level 10 hunters solo'ing levis, scoria etc. cause they are so easy ... There should be a weapon ladder and a mob ladder to make people want to skill

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hmm, what was the highest skill req now? lvl58-something for the 404 series? and this is such a serious problem?
well yea, shit happens but as it is now - maybe it's a good time to finally start skilling?
i mean, if u are a full NBK colonel and not some nameless noob who joined yesterday u might actually have some skills too?
just an idea, no offense... ;)
 

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oke, maybe your right with the dmg and %.. on the ewe 120 - but it DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THIS GUNS AVAILABLE.

And this thread is about nerf of the 404 and that MA don't give out a warning before such changes!
 

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hmm, what was the highest skill req now? lvl58-something for the 404 series? and this is such a serious problem?
well yea, shit happens but as it is now - maybe it's a good time to finally start skilling?
i mean, if u are a full NBK colonel and not some nameless noob who joined yesterday u might actually have some skills too?
just an idea, no offense... ;)
i have 220k total skills... but i skill different weapons, so all my weapons skills are between 40-56 . 56 in laser 55 blp

This means i had the 404 maxed with laser range 56..
 

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same here.. those who are skilled all round are fuxored with the herman weapons.

But I'm with trance on this one. I will not use herman anymore.

same as i don't use the axe 1x0 anymore (4 damage removed)
or hunt molisks (added regen)
I probably won't hunt levi anymore either, socmates tell me it now totally sucks.
I also decided I will run from now on. No more vehicles for me.

adapt or quit? I will do one or the other. But both options do not include giving mindark more decay.

A hint for Mindark:
Fix the bugs, give us sitting down and lieing down, fix taming, advertise to get a bigger userbase.

keep going down this path and you will not have much userbase left.
 

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same here.. those who are skilled all round are fuxored with the herman weapons.

But I'm with trance on this one. I will not use herman anymore.
this is a very weird decision. why are you punishing arkadian crafters exactly? and what for?
 

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Ever think even for 5 minutes that the Herman series has been way off balance since it was created?

There's probably a reason why everyone and their mom started using Herman type guns, destroying the value of other weaponry as demand for it dropped.

Usually when theres a mass rush to use a specific item or a specific build in an MMO its because that particular thing is OUT OF BALANCE with all other available options. People fall in love with hit, and ultimately are in denial over this simple fact. It's been this way for 15 years. That it happens in EU from time to time is nothing new.

That people are upset when the uber item / build / mob flavor of the week is finally adjusted to fall back in line with other available items of its type ingame is also nothing new.
 

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I was also pissed when I first saw the changes, mostly because I wasn't maxed any more on the gun I was planning to use for Merry Mayhem... thank god I hadn't stockpiled weapons yet. On the other hand it gives me something to work towards (again ;))

The guns still have the same eco/dps etc... its only the required level that has increased.

I also have to say when comparing possible guns for merry mayhem (looking for max dps for my lvl) 9 out of 10 of the guns were of the herman series... so I am big enough to admit that something was unbalanced.

Also according to the Arkadian developers all weapons have to be rebalanced across the platform... they just decided to pull the band-aid off fast rather then nerf a few guns with every update.
 

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and im also not willing to pay 140+ % MU for such guns!
The problem is, you can buy cheap noob L guns below 140% and it also have Uber L guns (a lot) below 140%.
but the midd player like me have to buy guns with more as 140%! Why don't drop more guns, so they cost same % as noob and uber L guns?
I totally get that some people are upset about the change of minimal skill level.

But in your case trance, you are around long enough. You do remember that a large part of us players who can use those low markup bigger guns had to skill up with sucky 30 to 35 dps @ 150% for years until level 70 and beyond.

Bigger affordable L guns was promised in late 2006, i was waiting for them and in the meantime turned over 2 million Ped with H400. Turned out they didn't really come before i was maxed on old-school anyway. Compared to that, the current situation, even with the latest adjustments, is a paradise!

Low skill requirement high dps weapons, enhancers. What we have gotten lately is a situation where very young players turn over unreasonable amount of Peds daily on high HP casino mobs that need no defense skills. Of course most of them without any idea what they are really doing and without the bankroll needed. A good part of them complaining like mad, while they hunt, after that at the forums and in the rest of the Internet, giving the game a bad name.

Even if i put myself in the shoes of someone with mid level skills, and thats not hard considering i have in example mid level melee skills and are affected there, i have to recognize that MindArk tries to protect the game and the players here with the latest adjustments. Also important, we finally see universe wide rules how gear has to be designed to drop in reasonable amounts and also skills having some meaning again.

You can't blame MA for adjusting weapons, rather you could blame them for not doing it earlier / right away. The way i see it a lot of people now complaining got an advantage for some time compared to people who will start later because things was clearly somewhat unbalanced.

Did you use that advantage while it lasted Trance? Good for you.
 

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It's no secret that since the new Caly L weapons came out the best ones have the lowest MU.
Why's that? The reason is simple: most ppl don't have the skills for em, so --> the demand is low --> low MU.
How long will this situation last? Forever, actually. Those who manage to push themselves into this "golden area", a little bit ahead of the rest can easily keep their distance later.

Everybody haz realized by now that the rules of the game have changed (again), but it depends on your viewpoint if this is a problem or a golden opportunity instead... ;)
 

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If they have to BALANCE, then why they don't promote this, so ppl don't buy guns they can't use the next day after a VU. I feel like i got a kick in my ass, after this VU and the last 2 also, and this generate such threads!
 

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Did you use that advantage while it lasted Trance? Good for you.
It was the first time ever i bought a 404. So i got not long this adventage:)
 

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If they have to BALANCE, then why they don't promote this, so ppl don't buy guns they can't use the next day after a VU. I feel like i got a kick in my ass, after this VU and the last 2 also, and this generate such threads!
Have they not been saying for the past 2 years or more that they are working on balance issues within the universe?

I think people wanted to think that this only applied to items that suck. Folks neglected to factor in items that are better than average in their thoughts, too.

Frankly, I've kept my hands off items that sound too good to be true. Swords with extremely high eco for their level, or very high DPS compared to other comparable weapons I simply will not buy. Yeah, this means I have not purchased any Next Island or Arkadia weapons for my avatar that have come out recently.

That an item is low TT isnt enough of a balance point for me. I could buy 10 of the same item and suddenly find myself the most eco sword player in the game, off some of these weapons. My losses would be greatly minimized, and in fact would probably end up in the green given how close my margins are in situations I know very well.

Ultimately this was a judgement call each player had to (and still has to) make. Should I buy one of these new items, knowing that the item has not been tested extensively, and work with it, risking a change on it that may modify the money I put into an item? Or should I stick with what has been tested over time, knowing that many balance issues may no longer exist, or may in fact work in my favor should they be corrected?

Some players choose the latter. Some choose the former.

That's how markets work in the real world too. A new hotshot company might spring up and seem to be worth its weight in gold, but a few years later people may discover that it was in fact not playing by the rules, and when the rules were enforced its value suffered a significant drop. Mortgage backed securities, anyone?
 
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