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Hello entropians,
I got back for vacation from my work to homeland, and now have some time to read your posts,
and of course to reveal some sabotage secrets for you.
Today I will try to describe you how little small mining exploit ruined entropia economy and noone even smelled what happened.
3-4 years ago there was a guy from Poland, named by HP company laptop name
some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again.
Rumors says that guy got uber rich by doing it.
but wait ? did he got uber rich only because he not played markup on lvl 13 amp ?
at first if you start reading my post to end i want you to warn , than there is 2 things i want you to notice (forum rules forbid me to do this)
1. I cannot reveal exploiters names
2. I cannot guarantee that all my story is 100% correct because i can make some mistakes.
So,
the ferry tail starts.
hardly, by not paying markup on some L stuff will make you rich. After banning "exploiters" people in game asked each other , what is really happened?
ones sayd that there was people washing bad mafia money trough entropia, others said they invented lvl 13 amp with no decay.
Mindark programmers fixed bug, banned exploits, but guess what ? Mindark fixed not everything.
Main source of exploit still exists, and people who know it , just made your awesome game poor, what you have now.
As i understand this 3 years working exploit made huge profits for allot people who did understood how it work and how to use it.
It is very simple.
User X buys an amp [Level 13 Finder Amplifier (L)] 340 ped tt. decays it to 20 ped tt. since 20 ped tt is needed to drop 1 bomb, if you drop enmaters,ores,and arciology - amp will decay 60 ped.
but guess what, when you leave 20 ped on lvl 13 amp, no matter if you put only 1 ore to search, or all 3 (that should decay 60 ped) , but amp cannot be -40 ped tt form 20tt, that is why amp decays in both ways only to simple 0 ped tt.
but miner gets 3 claims (ores,enmaters, archiology).
some exploiters collect 20 ped tt lvl 13 amps and goes to arkadia when they have enough to mine,
some uses it every amp just need to not forget to count or see when amp reaches 20 ped tt .
but this is not a smartest ones.
Smartest ones are biggest miners in eu but no one knows them .
because being smartest in game :
1. They craft a lot amps themselves
2. They mine amps to 20ped (lvl13) themselves
3. Then creates new avatar
4. reaches level 20 on them by ending disciples and using low level amps (by the way it works on all amps so reached lvl 8 they already exploit level 10 amps).
5. After reaching level 20, they put shitloads of amps that has only 20 ped tt value.
6. Goes to best mining area (because they are ubers, they know where to mine) and gets an uber (20k+) hof
simple enough ?
no it is retarded.
All eu players goes to entropia life than, looks for that "uber alt" name, looks that he has total loot only HOFS and nothing more, describes it as NOOB LUCK.
Than all EU blames Mindark that thy give UBERS to new avatars
And Mindark officers sits on the des, and don’t knows what to do , because all community are -reping mindark , and they even don’t know why it is happening.
1. exploiters steals 40ped from loot pool every single drop.
2. mindark does not see who to blame because UBER miners not involved, because using other avatars that absolutely seems innocent. (afraid of uber avatar ban , noone afraid of jsut created noob avatar ban)
3. all lootpool suffer from few people that knows how to hack system.
there is ferry tail ends.
by having this exploit over 3 years Entropia Unverse lost alot in TT.
what this made you to do ? did you see ath in game and go to entropia life to chek if it was noob? and 99% you already know it is noob avatar? than you already damaged)
Since there is loot pool , that server only calculated return, people started to suffer big tt losses, and mindark seen nothing.
This is one , simple exploit that ruined Eu Economics in 3 years, and no one to blame here.
p.s. i believe same works with ul amps too , just need to repir it only for 1 drop.
and i did not wanted to insult any, it is simple fix , and if someone feels that i am doing right by posting all my knowlage here , thankyou for your support.
that today exploit exist confirmed :
TO MAKE SHORTCUT for people , thankyou taco for real test results :
dr3w test post :
I got back for vacation from my work to homeland, and now have some time to read your posts,
and of course to reveal some sabotage secrets for you.
Today I will try to describe you how little small mining exploit ruined entropia economy and noone even smelled what happened.
3-4 years ago there was a guy from Poland, named by HP company laptop name
some old players knows what I talk about, he found exploit that he could put lvl 13(L) amp to armor part, and repair it , and use again.
Rumors says that guy got uber rich by doing it.
but wait ? did he got uber rich only because he not played markup on lvl 13 amp ?
at first if you start reading my post to end i want you to warn , than there is 2 things i want you to notice (forum rules forbid me to do this)
1. I cannot reveal exploiters names
2. I cannot guarantee that all my story is 100% correct because i can make some mistakes.
So,
the ferry tail starts.
hardly, by not paying markup on some L stuff will make you rich. After banning "exploiters" people in game asked each other , what is really happened?
ones sayd that there was people washing bad mafia money trough entropia, others said they invented lvl 13 amp with no decay.
Mindark programmers fixed bug, banned exploits, but guess what ? Mindark fixed not everything.
Main source of exploit still exists, and people who know it , just made your awesome game poor, what you have now.
As i understand this 3 years working exploit made huge profits for allot people who did understood how it work and how to use it.
It is very simple.
User X buys an amp [Level 13 Finder Amplifier (L)] 340 ped tt. decays it to 20 ped tt. since 20 ped tt is needed to drop 1 bomb, if you drop enmaters,ores,and arciology - amp will decay 60 ped.
but guess what, when you leave 20 ped on lvl 13 amp, no matter if you put only 1 ore to search, or all 3 (that should decay 60 ped) , but amp cannot be -40 ped tt form 20tt, that is why amp decays in both ways only to simple 0 ped tt.
but miner gets 3 claims (ores,enmaters, archiology).
some exploiters collect 20 ped tt lvl 13 amps and goes to arkadia when they have enough to mine,
some uses it every amp just need to not forget to count or see when amp reaches 20 ped tt .
but this is not a smartest ones.
Smartest ones are biggest miners in eu
but no one knows them .because being smartest in game :
1. They craft a lot amps themselves
2. They mine amps to 20ped (lvl13) themselves
3. Then creates new avatar
4. reaches level 20 on them by ending disciples and using low level amps (by the way it works on all amps so reached lvl 8 they already exploit level 10 amps).
5. After reaching level 20, they put shitloads of amps that has only 20 ped tt value.
6. Goes to best mining area (because they are ubers, they know where to mine) and gets an uber (20k+) hof
simple enough ?
no it is retarded.
All eu players goes to entropia life than, looks for that "uber alt" name, looks that he has total loot only HOFS and nothing more, describes it as NOOB LUCK.
Than all EU blames Mindark that thy give UBERS to new avatars
And Mindark officers sits on the des, and don’t knows what to do , because all community are -reping mindark , and they even don’t know why it is happening.
1. exploiters steals 40ped from loot pool every single drop.
2. mindark does not see who to blame because UBER miners not involved, because using other avatars that absolutely seems innocent. (afraid of uber avatar ban , noone afraid of jsut created noob avatar ban)
3. all lootpool suffer from few people that knows how to hack system.
there is ferry tail ends.
by having this exploit over 3 years Entropia Unverse lost alot in TT.
what this made you to do ? did you see ath in game and go to entropia life to chek if it was noob? and 99% you already know it is noob avatar? than you already damaged
)Since there is loot pool , that server only calculated return, people started to suffer big tt losses, and mindark seen nothing.
This is one , simple exploit that ruined Eu Economics in 3 years, and no one to blame here.
p.s. i believe same works with ul amps too , just need to repir it only for 1 drop.
and i did not wanted to insult any, it is simple fix , and if someone feels that i am doing right by posting all my knowlage here , thankyou for your support.
that today exploit exist confirmed :
TO MAKE SHORTCUT for people , thankyou taco for real test results :
Ok, so here is what I saw.
Kestukis, was probably right. At least about the full ampage occurring. There I said it. I feel that it is still a function of tt in vs out, and in the end it won't provide much advantage. Heck, res is tt food now, and you get 100 ped mu if you craft it full tt in this current market. So making them at minimum condition is silly if you are only gaining 40 ped anyhow. I don't see this being an exploit. It might be to trade them to alts, because I think alts are, but I will not say this is an exploit for any of us to do it. Like I said I think the tt out is going to be what it is no matter what you do in this game. It takes what it wants no matter what you do.
I will say that it certainly doesn't seem to function like I thought it would. The amps I saw in the past always led me to believe that the last drop was lower, and therefore the game was giving back smaller amounts on those last drops. Perhaps this was a function of me not doing enough double or triple drops with L 13s in the past, and also likely getting the smaller half-claims coincidentally on the last drop. Either way, I never saw enough to believe what the OP said. But today I think I did. I won't apologize for saying what I saw in the past, because that's what I saw, wrong or right. Of course I apologize for swear words and the name calling, but it just pissed me off so much to be called an exploiter simply because I believed that the game was dealing with the low tt final drop in a proper way. I truly thought that. It seems I was probably wrong.
Also, I just lost a ton to test this, so I hope that shows that I do care about getting to the bottom of this issue and finding out the truth since MA refused to, and the OP didn't offer any.
Anyways here were the results:
10 L 13's full tt and 2 20 ped tt one I got from someone who wanted to help the test.
4550 amp cost and like 180 in probes and decay. ( I didn't watch these costs closely as I was too sidetracked and trying to get shit done)
So rough cost was 4730...I got back 2282 tt plus a 32 ped sword with around 520 mu. So about 2834 back plus the mu of the stones.
45 were regular size claims varying between 45 ped and 86, most were 55-60. 4 claims were the smaller than normal half-claims that we see occasionally. As I said in the thread earlier, I tend to see those half claims every 2-3 amps.
However, I fully expected much smaller drops to occur very commonly on the final drops. This didn't happen.
For the 12 amps that I triple dropped with 20 ped remaining tt, (done in 2 groups of 6) the results were:
1. NRF
2. 45 ped Angelic 48 Gang 65 chem
3. 63 ped chemset
4. 63 ped chemset
5. NRF
6. 66 Garcen
7. 33 Aarkan, 48 Garcen, and a Dehera Immolation with 32 tt...(this tt presumable comes from the aarkan find which explains why this one find was smaller.)
8. 66 Lida
9. NRF
10. 86 Khor
11. NRF
12. NRF
What this shows is exactly opposite of what I thought. They all seemed to be in the normal range of find size for a regular drop on that amp.
Yes it is still a small sample size...but tbh, it seems that the last drops are fully amping even when 20 tt remains.
The benefit to this...I doubt it is as great as OP claims. All you do with L13's is lose your ass. I think any avatars returns are still what they would be with that amp regardless. I have NEVER hit a big claim with a L13, and from all I see, most ATH's are with L5's 7's and stuff like that....Idk. Either way I think that there may be something that needs an explanation from MA and that's why I did this test.
L13's suck, and I would never use them again after this shit, even if there is extra drops there at the end. 40 ped isn't worth the 100 ped mu per amp. I have never got a good hit with them...maybe that's because the L13 loot pool is so sparse due to people crafting them at 50 tt and doing what the OP says.
Either way, that fucking sucked. I am tired and I will prob add more to this later, but for now I just want to go punch the wall.
dr3w test post :
Sorry, I fucked up a bit and stopped LBML tracking stats, and started again. Anyway, who interested in those stupid hitrates and other stuff - calc yourselves:
So, there is 200 double-drops of "exploited" lvl7
3.68 each repair, but first one I fucked up a bit - it was 4.59
total decay of amp only summarized is 736.91 ped, + 300 ped of probes (100 enmatt and 200 ore) = 1036.91PED spent total. (I skipping drilling & finder part as irrelevant to "exploit" and also TT of PRU)
Total TT as return: 1462.12 so it makes 141% return.
By the way: "non-exploited" run TT in is 1500 PED exactly, so in "non-exploiting" it "would be" 97% return, which also "confirms" that "exploit" is here. For Unicorns.
And that is the moment when Unicorns should start celebrating, since they don't know a unicorn about mining at all.
Meanwhile, I have 800 drops ahead. 200 drops for me is nothing, and even 10k. But if such picture will last for whole road to 1k, then I will admit presence of a problem.
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