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ProActive Mango

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How can this event be legal in entropia?
Swedish spelinspektionen would love to see this... Gambling in a none gambling game.. Loot raffels are not allowed in sweden and is removed from platforms like twitch and such.
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Official Cyrene Event - Cyrene Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle

Hey guys, I wanted to announce the Cyren Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle! This event will be a Cyrene rare loot event with the help of...
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Is this not classed as gambling?

I would love to see what Mindark says about this.
 
ProActive Mango said:
How can this event be legal in entropia?
Swedish spelinspektionen would love to see this... Gambling in a none gambling game.. Loot raffels are not allowed in sweden and is removed from platforms like twitch and such.
cyreneforum.com

Official Cyrene Event - Cyrene Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle

Hey guys, I wanted to announce the Cyren Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle! This event will be a Cyrene rare loot event with the help of...
cyreneforum.com cyreneforum.com

Is this not classed as gambling?

I would love to see what Mindark says about this.
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Isn't this playerbase organized?
This isn't a MA thing, right?

Also, this is just a give away. Is that still considered gambling?
 
ProActive Mango said:
How can this event be legal in entropia?
Swedish spelinspektionen would love to see this... Gambling in a none gambling game.. Loot raffels are not allowed in sweden and is removed from platforms like twitch and such.
cyreneforum.com

Official Cyrene Event - Cyrene Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle

Hey guys, I wanted to announce the Cyren Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle! This event will be a Cyrene rare loot event with the help of...
cyreneforum.com cyreneforum.com

Is this not classed as gambling?

I would love to see what Mindark says about this.
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I think its funny how ppl complain about the game not having enough or not enough events etc. but, then stuff happens and its like gambling this gambling that...lmfao...literally anything you do in this game short term can be considered gambling since anything in the game for skill/returns is over a long period of time...I mean even look at those player based events where you pay to enter the "top" players in the event walk away with a reward due to more globals that is another way of gambling in some sense since you cant predict globals/hofs...
This event ur refering to consisted of killing mobs that had "rare items" but, the rare items werent "rare" they were a pretty common/uncommon drop so, all you had to do was participate and you would get a ticket...imo that doesnt constitute as gambling since u were almost guaranteed to get a "rare" item if u participated...further more you were working on codex along part of the event so, its not like you were losing out on anything...again this is my opinion but, lets be real...if ur concerned with the word raffle they couldve said a drawing...it could be argued that those with the highest DPP and "skill" would receive the most "rare" items there for it wouldnt constitute gambling unless u didnt have the necessary skill/weapons to compete in which you shouldnt have been there... thats my 2 cents
 
FireFist said:
I think its funny how ppl complain about the game not having enough or not enough events etc. but, then stuff happens and its like gambling this gambling that...lmfao...literally anything you do in this game short term can be considered gambling since anything in the game for skill/returns is over a long period of time...I mean even look at those player based events where you pay to enter the "top" players in the event walk away with a reward due to more globals that is another way of gambling in some sense since you cant predict globals/hofs...
This event ur refering to consisted of killing mobs that had "rare items" but, the rare items werent "rare" they were a pretty common/uncommon drop so, all you had to do was participate and you would get a ticket...imo that doesnt constitute as gambling since u were almost guaranteed to get a "rare" item if u participated...further more you were working on codex along part of the event so, its not like you were losing out on anything...again this is my opinion but, lets be real...if ur concerned with the word raffle they couldve said a drawing...it could be argued that those with the highest DPP and "skill" would receive the most "rare" items there for it wouldnt constitute gambling unless u didnt have the necessary skill/weapons to compete in which you shouldnt have been there... thats my 2 cents
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Raffels are gambling and are BANNED in sweden due to laws. Swedish players cant participate in raffels on other platforms so why should it be okay in Entropia?

Mindark had to remove blueprints for keys sence its against the gambling law in sweden.
 
ProActive Mango said:
Raffels are gambling and are BANNED in sweden due to laws. Swedish players cant participate in raffels on other platforms so why should it be okay in Entropia?

Mindark had to remove blueprints for keys sence its against the gambling law in sweden.
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how is a raffle specifically gambling though?...if u walk into an establishment and simply walking into it you get entered into a raffle...is that gambling? because gambling involves risk. YOU need RISK for it to be gambling...Simply being entered into a raffle for doing something you're already doing isnt risking anything on YOUR part. You see what I mean?...
Say you buy gas from the gas station and each time you shop there u get entered into a raffle/drawing/lotto/ etc your not buying into it ur simply being added to the raffle for being a valued customer is there risk? is there gambling? no... thats not gambling...
The ONLY time a raffle turns into gambling is if ur purchasing tickets for the rewards for the drawing...ie 10ped/ticket and you can enter the raffle which X is the reward. That is gambling...Unless Sweden has a different meaning for gambling...And this could be personally I look at it at the logical side...
 
Technically yes, it is gambling :D. But what I'm more interested in is MA took an interest in Land owners creating events based on an element of chance (specific global number combos, etc) previously and banned those events...So I am curious how MA makes the distinction between the two.
 
FireFist said:
how is a raffle specifically gambling though?...if u walk into an establishment and simply walking into it you get entered into a raffle...is that gambling? because gambling involves risk. YOU need RISK for it to be gambling...Simply being entered into a raffle for doing something you're already doing isnt risking anything on YOUR part. You see what I mean?...
Say you buy gas from the gas station and each time you shop there u get entered into a raffle/drawing/lotto/ etc your not buying into it ur simply being added to the raffle for being a valued customer is there risk? is there gambling? no... thats not gambling...
The ONLY time a raffle turns into gambling is if ur purchasing tickets for the rewards for the drawing...ie 10ped/ticket and you can enter the raffle which X is the reward. That is gambling...Unless Sweden has a different meaning for gambling...And this could be personally I look at it at the logical side...
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a wall of text, but you make no sence.

YOU BUY TICKETS WHEN YOU HUNT WITH YOU PED, NO?
AND THEN YOU DRAW THE WINNING TICKET = GAMBLING

can you stop with the wall of shit text and understand its gambling?!?
 
ProActive Mango said:
a wall of text, but you make no sence.

YOU BUY TICKETS WHEN YOU HUNT WITH YOU PED, NO?
AND THEN YOU DRAW THE WINNING TICKET = GAMBLING

can you stop with the wall of shit text and understand its gambling?!?
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With ur explanation this entire game is gambling and I dont understand ur argument then its that simple...
You cycle ped for globals/multipliers that may or may not get you ped and most the time you loss more than you cycle that alone is a classic casino...

SO, buying tickets as you hunt - would that be the same as spending money to drive to work?
then you draw a winning ticket = gambling - wouldnt that be the same as getting a paycheck with a bonus?

I mean you can apply this simple thing to everyday life which i guarantee are in sweden...
 
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Jhereg said:
Technically yes, it is gambling :D. But what I'm more interested in is MA took an interest in Land owners creating events based on an element of chance (specific global number combos, etc) previously and banned those events...So I am curious how MA makes the distinction between the two.
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According to MA it seems PP are exempt from these styles of events and players are not due to players setting up their own in-game "casino" type play but, honestly idk what the difference is when it comes down to what we have now as far as "approved" player events lol
 
Okay, so i will be sending this to the Spelinspektionen

If EU wants these events then i guess you have to ban swedish ppl and some other countries.
Swedish players cant open boxes sence its gambling.
So why should these loot raffel events be anything else then gambling?
 
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FireFist said:
With ur explanation this entire game is gambling and I dont understand ur argument then its that simple...
You cycle ped for globals/multipliers that may or may not get you ped and most the time you loss more than you cycle that alone is a classic casino...

SO, buying tickets as you hunt - would that be the same as spending money to drive to work?
then you draw a winning ticket = gambling - wouldnt that be the same as getting a paycheck with a bonus?

I mean you can apply this simple thing to everyday life which i guarantee are in sweden...
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I would like to take from these free tickets that are handed out to participate in the free gift. Alas, these tickets are received after spending money, which essentially makes them a gamble.

I don't even believe in these free raffles because I think the winners will be chosen before the spin.
 
Deemer said:
I would like to take from these free tickets that are handed out to participate in the free gift. Alas, these tickets are received after spending money, which essentially makes them a gamble.

I don't even believe in these free raffles because I think the winners will be chosen before the spin.
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Then it isnt really gambling then if the winners are pre-determined.
 
ProActive Mango said:
How can this event be legal in entropia?
Swedish spelinspektionen would love to see this... Gambling in a none gambling game.. Loot raffels are not allowed in sweden and is removed from platforms like twitch and such.
cyreneforum.com

Official Cyrene Event - Cyrene Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle

Hey guys, I wanted to announce the Cyren Booth Event - Rare Loot Raffle! This event will be a Cyrene rare loot event with the help of...
cyreneforum.com cyreneforum.com

Is this not classed as gambling?

I would love to see what Mindark says about this.
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This topic was made soon for the same reason.

Info: - Gambling

https://legal.entropiauniverse.com/legal/eula.xml Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe. https://cyreneforum.com/threads/cyrene-booth-event-rare-loot-raffle.8450/ - Raffle https://www.virtualsense.eu/forum/threads/firefists-customer-reward-program.8894/post-56281...
www.planetcalypsoforum.com www.planetcalypsoforum.com
 
this is quite simple to verify, by LA owners who advertise for their events: but i m sure was done before

so.....if every global recorded on the land gets a ticket for a final raffle that takes place at the end of the month, year, whatever, and MA is not standing in the way then is all good.

MA should respond to this matter in a quick note.
 
Are you serious? I think that all MMORPG is gamble because loot is random.
Why don't you remove all MMORPGs from Sweden?
 
IsDaDr said:
Created a support ticket after reading this thread here is the response


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Yes, it is gambling. Yes, Mindark says it's ok since a participant was not behind it, just a Planet Partner.

You are free to report it to the Swedish Gambling Authority but I suspect that it won't do much good. Seems like Mindark has them in their pocket for years already.... http://www.entropiaplanets.com/threads/swedish-gambling-authority.11087/

P.S. If you do contact them I wouldn't put too much personal info in there as apparently every contact with them is considered open public record that they more than willingly will share with others who contact them, including but not limited to other Entropia Players (and possibly Mindark employees on public boards in certain areas of the govt, etc.)... i.e. anything in the content of an email to them or your email address used to contact them may be copied and handed off to others including but not limited to an old school player that has a certain gun in game named after them who received such info about myself and a few others that have contacted them previously about such matters.

As for Mindark themselves, they likely will say file a police report, but expect same level of confidentialty that the gambling commission gives you if you try...
 
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ProActive Mango said:
Okay, so i will be sending this to the Spelinspektionen

If EU wants these events then i guess you have to ban swedish ppl and some other countries.
Swedish players cant open boxes sence its gambling.
So why should these loot raffel events be anything else then gambling?
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w/e makes u happy...lol

it wouldnt make sense why strongboxes would be banned since they the least "gambling" thing in game... u get 10ped each time...they cost 10ped to open...again gambling requires risk and if u spend 10 ped to get 10ped is that gambling or simply getting ammo with a chance of something more?

that the problem with the world EVERYTHING could technically be viewed as gambling...everytime u strike a conversation ur risking offending someone... everytime you cry wolf because someones doing something you see as something its not...everytime you walk outside and get in a car ur gambling with ur life at the risk of an accident etc...life is a huge slot machine...you can do everything right and if the cards arent in ur favor its game over...
so, like i said earlier if that makes you happy go for it lol its ppl like you that certain things cant be enjoyed cuz u syphon the fun lol notice how by making this thread u risked social acceptance and now gambled ur own game experience lol have a good day everyone :D

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I feel you guys cant get past the idea that a raffle is gambling - its game of chance its not automatically gambling...

Gambling you need risk, intent, and more importantly to spend ped specifically for the purchase of this "gambling" event...simply cycling ped isnt enough to constitute gambling or you would have to agree the entire game is a huge casino and if thats the case how are ppl making money off it? There is A LOT of variable your missing to try and consider the event as "gambling"

Everytime you play the game you "spend" ped therefore with ur examples ANYTIME you receive anything it would be classified as "gambling" by ur point of views...and MA has already done fought their case on how thats not gambling... and if spending ped to receive something more or less isnt gambling then entering a raffle for doing something ur already doing in game shouldnt/wouldnt be gambling...

imo these threads are simply created out of pure jealousy that you didnt win or arent capable of participating there for you throw a tantrum
 
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mastermesh said:
Yes, it is gambling. Yes, Mindark says it's ok since a participant was not behind it, just a Planet Partner.

You are free to report it to the Swedish Gambling Authority but I suspect that it won't do much good. Seems like Mindark has them in their pocket for years already.... http://www.entropiaplanets.com/threads/swedish-gambling-authority.11087/

P.S. If you do contact them I wouldn't put too much personal info in there as apparently every contact with them is considered open public record that they more than willingly will share with others who contact them, including but not limited to other Entropia Players (and possibly Mindark employees on public boards in certain areas of the govt, etc.)... i.e. anything in the content of an email to them or your email address used to contact them may be copied and handed off to others including but not limited to an old school player that has a certain gun in game named after them who received such info about myself and a few others that have contacted them previously about such matters.

As for Mindark themselves, they likely will say file a police report, but expect same level of confidentialty that the gambling commission gives you if you try...
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"It has to been proved that the actual legal person which is responsible for lottery is Swedish, in this case, MindArk and that it is not arranged by a foreign subsidiary to MindArk."

they literally tell you if its not coming from MA then there isnt much they can do at least thats how I understand the response from your report.

Im curious why do you guys play this game at all if if ur so, strong against it? or do you not play it at all? are you guys just traders? is this why ur mad about events? since you dont actually play the game you dont have a chance in joining them? so, really Envy is killing you along with greed? if u cant win no one can kind of concept? lol Im still pretty new but, I feel these kinds of things normally come from ppl that dont play or ppl that are mad they didnt win.

But, I mean heres evidence of playing the game specifically as a way of gambling
"...hoping to eventually get a big enough global or hof that I won't have to deposit again..." Maria Mesh
directly from EL since I thought I might as well look to see exactly complaining...Interesting that someone complaining about gambling in the game specifically plays for the gambling aspect side of it interesting...I hope ur not Swedish cuz I can now prove your gambling...is this another case Pot calling the kettle black?...
 
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FireFist said:
lol Im still pretty new but
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I couldn't figure out exactly when you managed to get into the game so quickly during these 3-4 months of play to have such a good knowledge of these details which they seem quite primary only to people with a lot of experience. Still, I wish you good luck in the raffle, but don't try to impose your gambling life in this game, which is not advertised as a casino.


PPRPS.
As expected, I just saw the winners. Of course, some of the names are known for their luck.

Congratulations to the chosen ones...
 
Deemer said:
I couldn't figure out exactly when you managed to get into the game so quickly during these 3-4 months of play to have such a good knowledge of these details which they seem quite primary only to people with a lot of experience. Still, I wish you good luck in the raffle, but don't try to impose your gambling life in this game, which is not advertised as a casino.


PPRPS.
As expected, I just saw the winners. Of course, some of the names are known for their luck.

Congratulations to the chosen ones...
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I started playing March 21st but, being new or old in a game doesnt change how ppl are from game to game or how the term "gambling" is used...
-A raffle gives even the little guy that looted say 5 "rare" items a chance at the prize rather than the "most" globals etc events since the more you global its likely your cycling more than the others not globally as much on the same mob/bp/etc.
-I didnt participate in the raffle specifically cuz I could effectively kill the duster gathers with the graduate armor so, i'd love to participate in the next event.

I understand it seems like there is an odd idea about certain players have more luck than others. which in time im sure ill come to learn but, the question is, is it luck or are they cycling far more than others which gives them an untold advantage. just like anything in life the bigger your pockets the more opportunities you have. This is an RCE so, just like life the bigger ur pockets in here the more your opportunities are of winning.
Though I would like to see how many raffles each player had. I've learned just like many things in this game just cuz your seeing globals doesnt exactly mean those ppl are in the "green" per say. The same idea around this perceived "luck" but, in time I suppose ill see patterns and make my own assessments.

Personally at this stage in the game for me at least there is already issues (If you look at one of the links in the post you linked from Mesh they associated me to these "Gambling Allegations" even with me where I have been lumped into these issues simply because ppl dont understand the terms gambling...I have a shop and simply being a customer you auto enroll into a raffle for simply shopping for what you already intend to buy. But, ive had to pause it to wait for a response from MA due to these allegations...Because I dont want to break "ToS" simply because not everyone can be a winner in a FREE reward program but, who know we'll see where it goes from there...This early in the game community already a lot of issues from complainers which make me think there is a lot of resentment and Envy around these complaints and no structure...but, again ill see and learn.
 
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ProActive Mango said:
Okay, so i will be sending this to the Spelinspektionen

If EU wants these events then i guess you have to ban swedish ppl and some other countries.
Swedish players cant open boxes sence its gambling.
So why should these loot raffel events be anything else then gambling?
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What even is your angle here?
 
ProActive Mango said:
Okay, so i will be sending this to the Spelinspektionen

If EU wants these events then i guess you have to ban swedish ppl and some other countries.
Swedish players cant open boxes sence its gambling.
So why should these loot raffel events be anything else then gambling?
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Dude so many swedish people and other countrys cant open boxes but still use alternatives like Revolut to open them =)
 
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