FYI: Mentoring 2017

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Hi

bought blueprints from someone today and one lead to another, we started discussing what he/she been doing since he/she started playing, ~1 month ago. Random person (I have his name) added him/her as disciple and suggested following to new player :)

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2017-05-11 03:35:43 [FROM: xxx] i had around 19ped of L prints that i sold
2017-05-11 03:35:53 [TO : xxx] didnt you check markup on them?
2017-05-11 03:36:10 [FROM: xxx] one guy told me its not possible to sell them
2017-05-11 03:36:11 [TO : xxx] jeez, did you ever had a mentor lol? u cant do stuff like that :D
2017-05-11 03:36:22 [FROM: xxx] i started a month back :D
2017-05-11 03:36:25 [TO : xxx] it is possible, u just sold me some :p
2017-05-11 03:36:38 [FROM: xxx] my first mentor told me to go mine with amps
2017-05-11 03:36:43 [TO : xxx] ...
2017-05-11 03:36:48 [TO : xxx] seriously?
2017-05-11 03:36:52 [FROM: xxx] so i came to level 5 and bought 50 level 8 amps and went to FOMA and Hell
2017-05-11 03:36:55 [TO : xxx] what the fuck is wrong with ppl...
2017-05-11 03:37:07 [FROM: xxx] i had around 6000ped in total globals on mining
2017-05-11 03:37:11 [FROM: xxx] but the rest vanished
2017-05-11 03:37:21 [FROM: xxx] then he kicked me
2017-05-11 03:37:28 [TO : xxx] why lol?
2017-05-11 03:37:35 [TO : xxx] what was the mentor name?
2017-05-11 03:37:37 [FROM: xxx] he said i dont know to mine O_O
2017-05-11 03:38:13 [FROM: xxx] yyy
2017-05-11 03:38:27 [TO : xxx] yyy yyy yyy?
2017-05-11 03:38:55 [TO : xxx] if you have on friend list, check full name
2017-05-11 03:39:46 [FROM: xxx] nope, he removed me i think
2017-05-11 03:39:59 [FROM: xxx] it was yyy yyy something
2017-05-11 03:40:29 [TO : xxx] why u pick him as mentor anyway?
2017-05-11 03:40:54 [FROM: xxx] well, he asked me to accept and i did :D
2017-05-11 03:40:56 [TO : xxx] he doesnt even have mentor rating...
2017-05-11 03:41:06 [TO : xxx] some random noob, u got trolled..
2017-05-11 03:41:26 [FROM: xxx] yea i realised it after he called me a noob
2017-05-11 03:41:41 [TO : xxx] he doesnt even have any globals according to EL..

And THAT is why Entropia is a scam! :eyecrazy:
 

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That "noobs hit big on FOMA" line has been repeated so often that some people have started to actually believe it.

It hasn't ever been true, of course. But idiocy is truly profound in some circles.
 

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Very upsetting to hear about experiences like this. But thankfully he chose to stick around! He is either very trusting of complete strangers or very nonchalant with his bank account :)

... If you're putting the fate of your wallet in someone else's hands, ask for references from previous disciples. Don't believe anything without data to back it up. Do some fact checking before you buy 50 level 8 amps.
 

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Very upsetting to hear about experiences like this. But thankfully he chose to stick around! He is either very trusting of complete strangers or very nonchalant with his bank account :)

... If you're putting the fate of your wallet in someone else's hands, ask for references from previous disciples. Don't believe anything without data to back it up. Do some fact checking before you buy 50 level 8 amps.
That mentor has 0 globals on EL, 0 disciples graduated.

Currently anyone can become mentor, which is part of the problem why many leave in days/weeks, bad advice. It's just sad to see disciples actually hunting with Mann MPHs and Jester D-1s today, since mentor suggested.

The whole system is a joke and just creates problems, problems we wouldnt probably even have if there was no mentoring in game.
 

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I was under the impression that you had to have 6 months in game and be graduated yourself before you could mentor another.
 

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I was under the impression that you had to have 6 months in game and be graduated yourself before you could mentor another.
The last time I checked (~two years ago but there have been no announcements of any changes), the requirements were:
  • 6 months old
  • not be a disciple yourself (graduation is not necessary, how the whole system could start otherwise?)
  • prof level 15
  • highest prof level higher than disciples highest level

Lots of extremely stupid people still fulfill all these requirements. Or I'm just getting old. :D
 

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The last time I checked (~two years ago but there have been no announcements of any changes), the requirements were:
  • 6 months old
  • not be a disciple yourself (graduation is not necessary, how the whole system could start otherwise?)
  • prof level 15
  • highest prof level higher than disciples highest level

Lots of extremely stupid people still fulfill all these requirements. Or I'm just getting old. :D
And clueless newbies who managed to get to lvl 15 and played for 6 months may think they "know everything" and take on disciples. This will be a never ending stream actually, lol.
 

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And clueless newbies who managed to get to lvl 15 and played for 6 months may think they "know everything" and take on disciples. This will be a never ending stream actually, lol.
Yea, system should get overlooked.

Level 50 required, 1-2 years on account etc. Currently it's probably doing more damage than helping.
 

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Maybe instead of a single lvl 15 pro level requirement, they can have a lvl 10 (could be 5 each category if 10 is too high)requirement in hunting / mining / crafting, so you must have done all 3 types of activities, or be alot higher in 1 to hit 10 for everything.
 

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Maybe instead of a single lvl 15 pro level requirement, they can have a lvl 10 (could be 5 each category if 10 is too high)requirement in hunting / mining / crafting, so you must have done all 3 types of activities, or be alot higher in 1 to hit 10 for everything.
Level 50 in any is enough. That takes at least some dedication. Or Level 25 in all 3.
 

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you sure it was yyy not VVV VVV?



Seriously though you'll find these people in every game, mentor system or not. Upping the requirements on mentor might be nice, but, a lot of higher level people don't want to put the time into running a bunch of newer people around either. More direction toward the higher rated mentors would be great, but then nobody new could "become" a mentor. It's tough to find an easy solution.
 

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Seriously though you'll find these people in every game, mentor system or not. Upping the requirements on mentor might be nice, but, a lot of higher level people don't want to put the time into running a bunch of newer people around either.
It's not just about the time required. The main reason I stopped mentoring is that I no longer know what is good advice to give to new players. The world that they start in is completely different to the world that I started in (mobs, weapons, missions, more), so I haven't been through the same experience that they will.
 
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