MindArk Madness FFA PvP Event

Nice event Socrates even if small in scope it's still a fresh idea that can be developed

Side note, nothing brings a smile to my face as much as seeing butthurt people who bought pixels and are now surprised that their stash of pixels has no value. Insert mildly shocked Patrick Stewart meme here at your own leasure.



“think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
Aye, you'l learn too.

Sooner or later.
 
Nice event Socrates even if small in scope it's still a fresh idea that can be developed

Side note, nothing brings a smile to my face as much as seeing butthurt people who bought pixels and are now surprised that their stash of pixels has no value. Insert mildly shocked Patrick Stewart meme here at your own leasure.



“think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
You should do the event.
 
Aye, you'l learn too.

Sooner or later.
Oh I learned what I had to learn long long time ago. Other people it seems that have not. But maybe, just maybe, you care to enlighten a simple minded folk like me, teach me senpai, show me the way of the pixels. May I suggest you start by explaining the TOS and other acceptance docs preferably if you start with the part where it specifies that 1. It's an investment and 2. That pixel value is not arbitrary and be cut and dices any way seem fit and 3. That you should be contractually rewarded to your generous deposits keeping the lights on at HQ and the employees fed
You should do the event.
I would mate unfortunately I don't think I would be able to generate enough ammo spending by getting shot to be worth my time.
 
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Oh I learned what I had to learn long long time ago. Other people it seems that have not. But maybe, just maybe, you care to enlighten a simple minded folk like me, teach me senpai, show me the way of the pixels. May I suggest you start by explaining the TOS and other acceptance docs preferably if you start with the part where it specifies that 1. It's an investment and 2. That pixel value is not arbitrary and be cut and dices any way seem fit and 3. That you should be contractually rewarded to your generous deposits keeping the lights on at HQ and the employees fed

I would mate unfortunately I don't think I would be able to generate enough ammo spending by getting shot to be worth my time.
Glad you have figured the game out. 👍
 
was cool, thanks
 
I saw some of them hidden in the tree

good event

cu next time !
 
Why should people who have invested time and money into thier avatars skills and gear have them wiped off them for the Event? The hub on cyrene does that if you want to pvp with the same gear as others.

There is nothing to stop anyone from becoming a better pkr if that's the path they chose in game. Less than a year ago I'd have been destroyed, but focused on skilling and gearing towards pvp in order to be able to hold my own in the pvp aspect of the game.
This is simple to answer.

Unless you have great amount of funds and a lot of time, the scenario you describe of 1 year's time is simply unrealistic for the majority of EU playerbase.

Most have work, kids, house to take care off. Also a lot of people come from different places in the world. But no matter where you live, the gear, ammo etc. still cost the same, and being from a rather wealthy country (Denmark), i dont find it cheap to skill fast, which requires using something a lot higher than an opalo.

Dont take this wrong, i dont know much about you except you're a pretty active streamer, That in itself tells me that you put a load of hours in to EU, most likely a lot more than the casual EU player (of which is still many).

So for many it take years to get close to you and the main PVP community, all respect for what you archieved, i'll hopefully get anywhere near someday.

Right now we have many events in the game that people with great gear and many skills dominate very well. So i am 100% in for any events that sets that aside and everyone can enjoy on equal terms, and this is Calypso and not Cyrene, so what you can do on Cyrene is not relevant for this thread - but great the oppertunity is there on Cyrene.

Hopefully Mindark will manage to bring cost's more in balance like they announced lately, that will help make it cheaper to skill more hardcore. I tried to do it, following all advices by pro's and reading up on everything, but it won't take long before i need to deposit more to keep going, and the cost is simply too high vs. reward (imho).

And i love Entropia and hope for more positive changes that can increase entertainment. there is a reason i am still around, so anything i say and do is not to try and demotivate anyone.
 
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This is simple to answer.

Unless you have great amount of funds and a lot of time, the scenario you describe of 1 year's time is simply unrealistic for the majority of EU playerbase.

Most have work, kids, house to take care off. Also a lot of people come from different places in the world. But no matter where you live, the gear, ammo etc. still cost the same, and being from a rather wealthy country (Denmark), i dont find it cheap to skill fast, which requires using something a lot higher than an opalo.

Dont take this wrong, i dont know much about you except you're a pretty active streamer, That in itself tells me that you put a load of hours in to EU, most likely a lot more than the casual EU player (of which is still many).

So for many it take years to get close to you and the main PVP community, all respect for what you archieved, i'll hopefully get anywhere near someday.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't start an an absolute noob, but in pvp terms I was. I had bought a twen chip whilst I was 90 levels away from maxing it, and set my goals from there to max the chip, work on my HP, learn how to pk etc.

I work, run my own businesses, have children, a household to run, hobbies , pets and horses that require a lot of attention. I can't play 24/7. Streaming is probably the bit I do the least of 😬.

All I'm trying to say is its not impossible and it's such a shame when people want every event to be equal opportunities for all. There has to be a reason to want to do anything in game. And becoming a better pkr was and still is one of my goals.

I see it a bit like its unfair I can't compete at the Olympics with my horse. Sure I haven't put in the time, money or effort as the olympians but surely I should be allowed to compete too??? (Silly example but hopefully the idea comes across).

Actually in this event noobs could enter too, one even got a prize for sheer tenacity lol!
 
This is simple to answer.

Unless you have great amount of funds and a lot of time, the scenario you describe of 1 year's time is simply unrealistic for the majority of EU playerbase.

Most have work, kids, house to take care off. Also a lot of people come from different places in the world. But no matter where you live, the gear, ammo etc. still cost the same, and being from a rather wealthy country (Denmark), i dont find it cheap to skill fast, which requires using something a lot higher than an opalo.

Dont take this wrong, i dont know much about you except you're a pretty active streamer, That in itself tells me that you put a load of hours in to EU, most likely a lot more than the casual EU player (of which is still many).

So for many it take years to get close to you and the main PVP community, all respect for what you archieved, i'll hopefully get anywhere near someday.

Right now we have many events in the game that people with great gear and many skills dominate very well. So i am 100% in for any events that sets that aside and everyone can enjoy on equal terms, and this is Calypso and not Cyrene, so what you can do on Cyrene is not relevant for this thread - but great the oppertunity is there on Cyrene.

Hopefully Mindark will manage to bring cost's more in balance like they announced lately, that will help make it cheaper to skill more hardcore. I tried to do it, following all advices by pro's and reading up on everything, but it won't take long before i need to deposit more to keep going, and the cost is simply too high vs. reward (imho).

And i love Entropia and hope for more positive changes that can increase entertainment. there is a reason i am still around, so anything i say and do is not to try and demotivate anyone.

There are people with stammina

And there are people who are weak

You did choose
 
I see it a bit like its unfair I can't compete at the Olympics with my horse. Sure I haven't put in the time, money or effort as the olympians but surely I should be allowed to compete too??? (Silly example but hopefully the idea comes across).

Bonnie competing at the Olympics in dressage... now that would be a Twitch stream I certainly would not miss! :)

🎩🐴
 
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There are people with stammina

And there are people who are weak

You did choose
Thats a very black and white way to put it.

I think your statement is too heavily reliying on people's available time, money and prioritizes.

Also games are meant for entertainment and fun, not to test your stamina or strength, if a game can run you out of stamina or your strength, i would question if that is a proper form of entertainment for you.
 
All I'm trying to say is its not impossible and it's such a shame when people want every event to be equal opportunities for all. There has to be a reason to want to do anything in game. And becoming a better pkr was and still is one of my goals.

I see it a bit like its unfair I can't compete at the Olympics with my horse. Sure I haven't put in the time, money or effort as the olympians but surely I should be allowed to compete too??? (Silly example but hopefully the idea comes across).
It is not impossible, i agree.

Also i think there is multiple ways to enjoy PVP on regular rules already. So its natural that there is a demand for something that can unite people across an event through special rules, and it will make sure that PVP gets more attention on calypso
 
Thats a very black and white way to put it.

I think your statement is too heavily reliying on people's available time, money and prioritizes.

Also games are meant for entertainment and fun, not to test your stamina or strength, if a game can run you out of stamina or your strength, i would question if that is a proper form of entertainment for you.
Games yes, pvp competition with prizes no.

Can say the same thing for football, it's game and fun, why you don't play at Juventus?
 
In the spirit of creating some more regular, spontaneous and fun events - MindArk is turning OLA5 into our new area for mini-events!

Join in for the first MindArk Madness Event featuring a free for all PvP competition with some appropriately themed prizes!

This first event will serve as a trial for future events of this style.

When
Friday 28th 20:00 UTC. Runtime 1hr.
(Check Event List Ingame)

Where
OLA5, Nearest TP: The Land of Oz
/wp [Calypso, 36784, 36463, 132, Waypoint]

Rules
Most PvP Points, No Vehicles, No Radar, Accumulated Ammo/Decay added to Prizes

Ticket Price
10 PED
(Purchase From Event List Ingame)
You must have a ticket in order to participate, so if you want to attend ensure you buy a ticket ASAP!

Prizes
1st
  • [Marber Foxtrot-Type Plasma Annihilator]
  • [Infiltrator Arm Guards (M,L)]
  • [Infiltrator Thigh Guards (M,L)]
  • [MediStim 15mg] x10

2nd
  • [Infiltrator Shin Guards (M,L)]
  • [Infiltrator Harness (M,L)]
  • [MediStim 15mg] x5

3rd
  • [Infiltrator Gloves (M,L)]
  • [Infiltrator Foot Guards (M,L)]

You can also check out the Socrates Shed by the Land Area Marker and pay a visit to my office ;) Happy Shooting!

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Welcome Socrates!!! Sounds fun!
 
Games yes, pvp competition with prizes no.

Can say the same thing for football, it's game and fun, why you don't play at Juventus?
Well that's not best example, because in soccer there are also lower leagues where can compete teams with much lower budget. And with worser players as well. Not everyone is Ronaldo and there's not only premier league.
But yes, they have lower salary and prizes in those leagues as well. But they for sure don't play it for fun and for free.

I think those events are step in right direction from MA, it's their decision if they want start some leagues or something. I can see there are some ppl who likes that idea.
For me personally it would be more appealing with some brackets or something. I was crushed by ubers in lootable every day for many years, so I don't need go to event for it, but that's just me 😅
 
Well that's not best example, because in soccer there are also lower leagues where can compete teams with much lower budget. And with worser players as well. Not everyone is Ronaldo and there's not only premier league.
But yes, they have lower salary and prizes in those leagues as well. But they for sure don't play it for fun and for free.

I think those events are step in right direction from MA, it's their decision if they want start some leagues or something. I can see there are some ppl who likes that idea.
For me personally it would be more appealing with some brackets or something. I was crushed by ubers in lootable every day for many years, so I don't need go to event for it, but that's just me 😅
You can engage in low level pvp at sweat circles or oil rig, if you want to play endgame you need to skill up and get gear to play against endgame players
 
Big thanks to Socrates and Mindark - and everyone who showed up at the Mindark Madness event - even though i essentially dissintegrated on entry I had fun.

after reading some ridiculous posts in this thread I thought I'd put in my 2Cents plus a novel.

Pvp Events for ubers!
this is great. ofc we need these!
pvp events for...everyone else?
"no thats stupid. go to a sweat circle or stand in the oil line"
bruh....

so these are some of my opinions that nobody asked for about PvP in Entropia Universe and the current lack of accessible, lower-level PvP content.

While "end-game" PvP should absolutely reward those with the best skills, gear, and character control, that shouldn’t be the only form of PvP available. Suggesting that new or low-level players stick to "oil rigs" or The Hub as their introduction to PvP feels like a bit of a cop-out.

TLDR
...Shooting 10 ppl who are trying to sweat a mob while they are afk cooking dinner, putting kids to bed or watching god knows what on another tab isnt exactly the pvp we want or need.

nor do we want to go spend hundreds of ped to at an oil rig only to pick up 2-4ped of oil if we are lucky... more realistically you spend a few ped to have a few laughs and inevitably die to the exact same 3 ubers that have been killing u for 10+ years.

but this begs the question... what is pvp in entropia?
People often get this twisted. suggesting pvp is pay to win. however its actually not so simple in reality. for the most part its just actually 'hardcore' pvp.

No rules. Strongest players with the most skills and best gear wins...this makes sense.

What does end game pvp actually look like?
Landgrab pvp: no rules - strongest societies fight for land.. you need the most active high skilled players, who have ped for the best gear. u need good cooperation and you need to be able to hit somebody with a rifle. or at least a rocket launcher. -from what I gather..its essentially king of the hill style pvp event. hold down the area. dont let contenders breach the walls or worse.. hangout inside them too long...

- honestly pretty damn cool.. but obviously the vast majority of colonists are in Societies which are small, open to various levels, or are freelancers
Theres very few societies dedicated to pvp - good luck getting into one.
this is a VERY longterm problem and requires longterm account progression and society goals at this point 0.0


solo pvp (lootable or nonlootable):
same thing. strongest survives and in the worst areas they get to loot your corpse. theres no sheriff around to say otherwise. its desolate and dangerous and you were prewarned enter at your own risk.

-this is also pretty cool. but the same problem exists. no new players. everyone scared of the ubers. and no realistically achievable way to progress to a point in which you can actually compete. at least not within the next couple years. another very longterm goal thing i guess?

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It turns out I have a lot of thoughts on this. and so I wrote an entire book of more of my ramblings,and unwanted opinions,thoughts you didnt ask for and included it below..

The suggested "Low level or Entry" PvP Zones
Currently, there are only seven or 8 notable PvP areas in Entropia that I can think of which are easily accessible to new players or low budget players , and none of them offer meaningful rewards or incentives for participation:


  • Space: while this is easily accessible and relatively lowcost. it comes attached with a label. as theres a huge stigma around "pirates" - engaging in this can be gamebreaking in a colonists other endeavers. essentialy robbing others. while i think this is essential for eu - its not a realistic entry pvp zone for a colonist aspiring to find entropian success.
  • LA's With sweaters: go kill some mostly afk players and make them upset.... for fun?
  • Ashi: More about fighting dinosaurs than players. Even if you engage in PvP, the only real "reward" is maybe 2.5 PED of oil after an hour—if you're lucky. Realistically, most fights end with a noob in underwear wielding a Maze Hammer picking up the oil while others waste ammo.
  • Orthos: Overrun by robots. Attacking players here usually means interrupting someone's PvE grind, which isn't enjoyable or rewarding.
  • The Docks (Rocktropia): A few PECs of oil every 20 minutes. When a single kill likely costs a PED or more, the math simply doesn’t work. Theres no point. altho it could be a fun event area
  • The Hub Proving Grounds: Completely inactive. The only people here are AFK, using auto-use tools to farm friends, noobs or alts for epic PvE mission progress. This is hardly PvP. the hub needs event terminals. this would help
  • Hub Arenas: Dead content. If you buy a ticket, you’ll wait weeks for an opponent—who never comes. vendors are empty- hub event terminals. this would help
  • Toulan "Rig": Almost never visited. At best, ive found 0.02-0.06 PED per hour, which doesn’t even cover the cost of a single shot.and i seen maybe 3 players there in total overall while spending a week on toulan.... but its a cool place i like it.
Of course there is also non lootable pvp zones where there is quite literally no reward for killing others. maybe good for a bit of fun or practice. This is great, but of course irrelevant to the current topic imo. nobodys going to argus just to hangout and try to kill people for no reason and if they are... idk.. maybe there is, but i digress.
Lets not leave out Event Areas. where one could in theory create or participate in pvp events. However even if I were to create a pvp event with max hp rules or no armour rules and also even no mindforce, vehicles or radar. Theres still nothign stopping someone from simply bringing an uber sized weapon. and As far as im aware there is no way to truelly create a fair and balanced event where you dont have to worry someone is literally going to simply buy their way to first place. Except this Balanced force rule i noticed on an AO fort event. However unless this is new or been changed this isnt available at most event terminals. at least none that ive visited.

The Problem with the Current 'Low Level' PvP​

In theory, these areas provide PvP opportunities, but in practice, they are neither rewarding nor designed to foster real competition. Additionally, they aren’t exclusive to lower-level players, meaning even in these "beginner" PvP areas, high-level "ubers" can (and do) dominate, making it an unfair playing field just like any other high end pvp event or area.

and once again. no reward.
= no motivation to progress.

There’s no reason Entropia couldn’t offer more structured PvP events or zones that cater to lower-budget and lower-level players, whether through skill caps, gear restrictions, or tiered PvP ladders. This wouldn’t take away from high-end PvP but would serve as a way to introduce more players to the system, making it more engaging and competitive in the long run.
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Why More Accessible PvP Matters​

Currently, PvP in Entropia is almost entirely 'pay-to-win' with the added difficulty of also requiring years of gameplay or an enormous amount of skills. It's not just about years of gametime; it's also about how much PED you can afford to burn, on skills, gear and ammo. As a result, we don’t actually know who the best PvP players are, because the vast majority of potential contenders can’t even afford the entry costs.sure,we can test whos built the strongest accounts or has the best gear. we definately have a good idea of who the most powerful players are.
but whos actually the best at pvp? Hard to say.

Unfortunately, what I feel like I am seeing is a reluctance from high-level players to support anything that could encourage new competition. The argument is essentially that "PvP should only be for high-level players with massive PED reserves and have been playing for over a decade" and it seems more about gatekeeping than maintaining any integrity, balance or real sustainability.

By creating some fair and balanced events;and making them available to players of varying level and budget, we can foster higher participation and keep players engaged. Players who do well in lower-tier PvP or PvE events may very well be motivated to progress to higher tiers or more risky events, encouraging growth and a fun, enjoyable and most importantly, sustainable competitive scene.

My Long winded Closing Thoughts: The Roles of Mindark and Players regarding events​


While MindArk of course plays a key role in designing the PvP content, I think the responsibility of creating and hosting events should fall largely on the players.

I think we should try to also shift the mindset regarding paid ticket events. while its fantastic to see societies or organizations offering free to join events. I personally would enjoy seeing some more fair cost ticket events with reasonable prizes but most importantly- honest, fair and balanced competition style events.

To improve PvP events or any events in general, MindArk needs to enable players to host fair and balanced events by providing essential tools like a "Balanced Force" option across all event terminals. or perhaps a max damage rule implementation could be nice this mixed with max hp and no armour rules could work well.

Regardless I think we need something to allow organizers to have the option to scale participant power and for pve events; an option to cap dmg/decay, to ensure fair competitions, regardless of gear or skill differenceso. this way an organizer can still have the "no rules HSL" or "no rules FFA" etc if they want to or have a scaled down noob event. we simply need the options.

- I recently noticed the AO Fort event had this Balanced force rule applied. to the best of my knowledge most event terminals do not have this rule option unless it has been changed or added recently?

My Final Conclusion:

To make any real progress, MindArk needs to provide the tools for fair events, while organizers should create some events that cater to various levels of players, ensuring both competitive fairness and motivating progression, until then. good luck convincing more players especially new ones to consider showing up to any events.

-Im Cooked...
yours truly, Jimbobbityboo
 
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Big thanks to Socrates and Mindark - and everyone who showed up at the Mindark Madness event - even though i essentially dissintegrated on entry I had fun.

after reading some ridiculous posts in this thread I thought I'd put in my 2Cents plus a novel.

Pvp Events for ubers!
this is great. ofc we need these!
pvp events for...everyone else?
"no thats stupid. go to a sweat circle or stand in the oil line"
bruh....

so these are some of my opinions that nobody asked for about PvP in Entropia Universe and the current lack of accessible, lower-level PvP content.

While "end-game" PvP should absolutely reward those with the best skills, gear, and character control, that shouldn’t be the only form of PvP available. Suggesting that new or low-level players stick to "oil rigs" or The Hub as their introduction to PvP feels like a bit of a cop-out.

TLDR


Regardless I think we need something to allow organizers to have the option to scale participant power and for pve events; an option to cap dmg/decay, to ensure fair competitions, regardless of gear or skill differenceso. this way an organizer can still have the "no rules HSL" or "no rules FFA" etc if they want to or have a scaled down noob event. we simply need the options.

- I recently noticed the AO Fort event had this Balanced force rule applied. to the best of my knowledge most event terminals do not have this rule option unless it has been changed or added recently?

My Final Conclusion:

To make any real progress, MindArk needs to provide the tools for fair events, while organizers must create events that cater to all levels of players, ensuring both competitive fairness and motivating progression. until then. good luck convincing more players especially new ones to consider showing up to any events.

-Im Cooked...
yours truly, Jimbobbityboo
Everyone starts at the same skill level and hp, how far you are willing to climb the ladder is up to you..

The pvp events are pretty fair, just extremely laggy imo. If you have no motivation to progress that is on you, its not up to mindark to repeatedly dumb down the game and give everyone participation awards...

Im all for fair and balanced competition, but why should all the time and effort some have sunk into their avatars all be for naught, so some brand new 100 hp avatars can feel included..
 
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Everyone starts at the same skill level and hp, how far you are willing to climb the ladder is up to you..

The pvp events are pretty fair, just extremely laggy imo. If you have no motivation to progress that is on you, its not up to mindark to repeatedly dumb down the game and give everyone participation awards...

Im all for fair and balanced competition, but why should all the time and effort some have sunk into their avatars all be for naught, so some brand new 100 hp avatars can feel included..


The problem is there is only one rung and its at the top of the proverbial ladder. not everyone has long enough legs (disposable income) to jump that high. just to get onto the first rung and actually try it for their first time without getting dissintegrated.

Your time and effort sunk into your avatars definately should not be for naught. and its not at all what I suggest. you got your account where it is and it should reward you accordingly.

Are the events currently fair? maybe, to those who are prepared with proper gear and skills. this mindark madness was clearly geared towards high level players. and thats fine and great! there should definately be events like this and more of them.
I didnt join it with any real expectation other than getting obliterated. I knew what I was walking into.

with my low budget, maybe eventually after a few more years of wearing down my F key and impulsive deposits I can Try my hand at 'end game pvp' but in it looks like a hell of a lot of fun. and maybe one day something il pursue but in the mean time...
no1s asking for anything to be dumbed down.
just scaled events with scaled prizes....

where we can do pvp against players at a similar level of account progression. or within their currently available budget
-more events with the best prizes for "ubers to compete against ubers"
-and somtimes some events with prizes to match the difficulty/cost for those still on their journey to uberness so "noobs can compete agaisnt noobs and midlvls can compete agaisnt midlvls...its not rocket appliances.

also the OPTION to make a balanced force event rule.or any option to actually set up a fair event obviously wouldnt always be used. but if I or anyone wants to create a fair event at my own expense. why not? this wouldnt have to mean we never have the standard no rules hsl or ffa. it would just give organizers the option...

we arent talking about changing landgrabs or how lootable pvp works. we are only talking about pvp events... ubers and big pvp players have literally all of the pvp content to enjoy as it is. The most important and main pvp events should always be for the high levels. but i think it would be cool if SOME of the events were intended for smaller players. theres alot of dedicated colonists who play just as much as you but simply dont have the budget. no harm in giving them something to participate in.

People complain about entropia losing players etc... - maybe doing something to retain them could be good? or maybe im crazy =)
 
AFAIK, the 'balanced' rule merely mixes up the two teams, so it makes no difference which team you manually select. It didn't work well, and events that are solo don't have (official) teams anyway. The stronger team would sometimes pretend to be weaker until the last few mins just to keep the action going - and there were bugs too.
There has been talk of much widened event capabilities by MA, but 'crazier' rules seem to attract ... are they called 'angle shooters'? Still, it would be nice to see something like a solo instance event with set parameters such as 1k health, no heal and capture the flag past whatever mobs or so, fastest time wins.
Maybe this will only come if/when players can design their own events with wide freedoms....
The prizes don't have to be great, nor the entry cost higher then 1 ped maybe, just fun and not ONLY about firepower or whatever.
 
One can only hope MA will focus on enabling new more complex systems that allow creative freedoms and as much possible for customization if/when unreal happens

What is sandbox without sandbox?
 
I couldn't make it but I heard it was a nice event, kudos for the idea and congrats to my soc m8s, they had a good time!
Thanks to our winners, Hardcore society will put the combined infiltator parts + plasma as prizes towards a new event on our LAs, after the current one ends, on top of the usual prizes, in hopes of gearing up a young and PVP enthusiast player

Thank you to @Shilda @messi91 and @Bobbazz for offering their prizes :thumbup:
 
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