Minimum bid raise on ingame auctions?

[Tigerman]

Personally im starting to get fed up with lame-bidders that always bid only 1 PED more than the previous bid in the auction. The people doing this imo need to grow some brains and some balls and make up their own mind about how much theire willing to pay for an item and place bids accordingly.

Question is simply, do you think there should there be a minimum bid raise in the auctions?
Please elaborate on how you would like to see it set.

 

[beautygal]

Perhaps proportionally with the value of the item... some items are just fine with the 1 PED increase, but some armors / weapons etc could do with a higher increment and save everyone time, especially because of the 5 min rule

 

[BubbleBlip]

Wouldnt your argument be best suited if each bidder could only bid once and all bids would stay hidden until auction ends?

That way would really ensure that people would think how much they are ready to pay.

I think minimum bid would make people only to bid with minimum bid instead of 1 ped. Only really affected auctions would be higher end items with tt+ in several hundreds.

Though there's no real reason why minimum bid couldnt be set by seller. I believe that most items would be sold with 1 ped minimum bid anyway.

 

[BubbleBlip]

Bit off the poll but I would rather see that after set auction time closes everyone could make only one bid anymore. (Even though it could be exploited with several avatars.)

 

[Tigerman]

Items with low TT and markup could of course be set to minimum raise 1 PED just as the effect is now. However a +100 PED minimum raise on higher priced items would make people think a little about wether or not they are prepared to actually pay more for the item than the current bid or just refrain from just dragging things out or in extreme cases make people inflate the price because they just get pissed off about the lamebidder and pay 1k more than its actually worth.. It HAS happened..

 

[Sharyn]

MA could introduce the <class> notion for items in game (sort of the class present when talking about mining claims).

Following this rule, for exaple a Jester D-1 would be class "I" going as far as IMK2 with a class of lest's say "XX". Based on the class of the specific item, the raise in bids could be +1 for class "I" going to +10,000 for class "XX".

The same rule could be applied to armors, tools etc but not for stackables ... I suppose those will stay with the +1 raise in bids as they can't fit in a class system like the one above.

 

[Lady Mercury]

Good idea for some cases, a less good for some. I don't think Ma has thought of this.

Just check out what Akoz did to MA with the LA's that was for sale a month or so ago.

There was 3 LA's for sale.
This is about what the offers was put like in the last 5 minutes.

1: 30k
2: 30k
3: 125k (120k?)

What happened? The other ones just raised with 500 ped-1k each call. The other LA's didnt get up to 120-125k before akoz LA was purchased so akoz won the LA (the best put/biggest one of them 3) at 125k (or 120?)

The other two (the "less good ones") was sold for about 200k, so emagine what akoz' could have been sold for?

If there was this kind of limit MA would have got atleast 70k more for akoz LA.

It would mean that the chance for me to get and ATH is 100% bigger than before

 

[kygon]

I agree large value items should have a 50ped or 100ped increase option

 

[Lady Mercury]

Wouldnt your argument be best suited if each bidder could only bid once and all bids would stay hidden until auction ends?

That way would really ensure that people would think how much they are ready to pay.

That is not how people works.
That would encourage 100% of the resellers to create even more multiple avatars than ever before, and its a big problem as it is today, so lets not make it worse

 

[steffel]

i do agree with raising bids on high level items.

but i also miss the function where you were able to bid peds+cents (say bid was 100peds, having 101,33peds on card and bidding it rose the bid by +1,33) because you could make more sensitive bids on stackables.

but not MA should decide, the seller should define how high bids shall rise.

 

[Tigerman]

i do agree with raising bids on high level items.

but i also miss the function where you were able to bid peds+cents (say bid was 100peds, having 101,33peds on card and bidding it rose the bid by +1,33) because you could make more sensitive bids on stackables.

but not MA should decide, the seller should define how high bids shall rise.

I miss the pec bids myself too.. It looks so much better in teh auction when i bid TT+2000 than when i bid TT+1999,93

 

[BubbleBlip]

That is not how people works.
That would encourage 100% of the resellers to create even more multiple avatars than ever before, and its a big problem as it is today, so lets not make it worse

Actually it wouldnt encourage - totally opposite. They couldnt see what others offer. If someone creates 3 avatars and bids 10, 20 and 30 peds, he will either win it with 30 peds or not. Same as with a single avatar.

(Or.. did you mean that to my other post )

 

[Hades]

That is not how people works.
That would encourage 100% of the resellers to create even more multiple avatars than ever before, and its a big problem as it is today, so lets not make it worse

Lady, multiple avatars will increase only if one is only allowed to bid once provided that all the bids are NOT hidden. However, if all the bids are hidden, you can have a million avatars and it wouldn't make a difference. You can bid increasing amts for each avatar but only the highest of that 1 million will be considered.

 

[Jorael]

Here's what i think:

Resellers should be stopped abusing the system. To prevent them abusing the system:

- Make a timelock of 3 days before being able to relist an item bought. This can be done if Mindark attributes Auction fields a serial number + item serial number. And it can be done. Take MagicTheGathering Online - There are millions of cards in circulation, and each one has its own unique serial number.

- Proportional bids according to item value. I've lost several auctions for 1 ped because people are lame enough to overbid me by 1 ped when they dont even really need the item. They just see a bid, know im interested, top me by 1 ped, then relist the item for +10 more. Or worse.

- Log reseller activity in auction. If an avatar buys and relists more then 5 or 10 items in less then a week: Auction lock for that avatar for an X period.

- Introduce an automatic auction reputation system - If someone buys and sells the same item / package in the same day: Gets a -1 point. After X points, he gets locked from being able to bid on auctions for x days.

Im sorry to all those who trade, as i see trading with different eyes to reselling. But this has gone too far. Thanks to reselling, most crap items are being bought and sold for WAY LOT MORE then they are worth.

I'd like to keep EU a prosperous place where people can invest in items without needing to get a 2º mortgage on their house. This reselling stupidity has gone too far. Mindark really needs to do something about this. EU has a market for players, but its not a market of stocks.

If everyone decides to stop playing EU (Hunting, Mining, Crafting) and decides to resell - EU dies. And the current state of things... super high prices, low loot, gambling system are not helping the main professions in any way.

I hate resellers. Especially those that dont even play the game, they limit themselves to throw money inside to buy and resell items in the auction.

Freaking vultures.

 

[acaffrey]

Voted No.

In my opinion / experience success at the auction is all about mind games and demoralising the F***ing reselling scum that haunts our fine game. To be able to do this the 1ped increment, no matter what the item is essential.

Admitidly they can do it to you just the same, but as they don't actually want the item their resolve and patience will probably be less and they will hopefully look for the next quick buck elsewhere.

 

[Squee]

Personally im starting to get fed up with lame-bidders that always bid only 1 PED more than the previous bid in the auction. The people doing this imo need to grow some brains and some balls and make up their own mind about how much theire willing to pay for an item and place bids accordingly.

Question is simply, do you think there should there be a minimum bid raise in the auctions?
Please elaborate on how you would like to see it set.

Ppl only bidding per ped, and i guess sometimes i am one of them, just want the stuff as cheap as possible If its at the end of the auction it is very annoying indeed, as it can take ages. Usually waiting for atleast 4 minz before they bid..

I dont think this is the answer. Personally id just like to see auction end when they should without the 5 minz extention each time. Those annoyances or endless overbidding per ped would stop that way.

 

[ViagraFalls]

My thoughts would be to run the auctions more like real life auctions.

The bid increment there depends on the current bid. I.e. From 1-10 PED, the bid increment is 1 ped. 10-50 PED would be 2.5 PED increases. 50-1005ped, etc.

Like Ebay, someone ought to be able to bid by proxy, too, meaning I can specify I would pay a maximum of 50 PED for an item. My max bid would remain hidden while other people bid though, until the max bid would be reached, at which point the next person to offer more is then the new top bidder.

I also would like a 1 week no-reauction period.

Finally, get rid of the extended bids. If my item is set to expire at midnight Friday, then it ends at Midnight Friday, and not at 4 AM Saturday due to a last minute bidding war.

Also, resellers ought to be listed by their full address on the frontpage, along with directions to the stores selling baseball bats closest to their houses. Another nice addition would be supplying the opportunity to upload images providing proof of busted kneecaps, and the ability for the community to donate for the images.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

My thoughts would be to run the auctions more like real life auctions.

The bid increment there depends on the current bid. I.e. From 1-10 PED, the bid increment is 1 ped. 10-50 PED would be 2.5 PED increases. 50-1005ped, etc.

Like Ebay, someone ought to be able to bid by proxy, too, meaning I can specify I would pay a maximum of 50 PED for an item. My max bid would remain hidden while other people bid though, until the max bid would be reached, at which point the next person to offer more is then the new top bidder.

I also would like a 1 week no-reauction period.

Finally, get rid of the extended bids. If my item is set to expire at midnight Friday, then it ends at Midnight Friday, and not at 4 AM Saturday due to a last minute bidding war.

Also, resellers ought to be listed by their full address on the frontpage, along with directions to the stores selling baseball bats closest to their houses. Another nice addition would be supplying the opportunity to upload images providing proof of busted kneecaps, and the ability for the community to donate for the images.

I think the options are either a fixed end-date and bid by proxy but no increasing bid increment versus an increasing bid increment but without a fixed end-date and bid by proxy. The last option is actually what happens in a RL auction.

The first option is like eBay, which also works good, because the seller gets the best price, and the buyer is not paying more then needed to get the item.

The RL option (increasing bid increments) doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem in EU imo. The eBay method though looks like a very good solution to me. In that case, a reseller will have no clue how high people are willing to go, so he/she will have to make a guess making sure he/she gets the item. It only requires a couple of times where the reseller finds out he/she got an item at too high a value that he/she is now stucked with (because they can't resell it for at least the same price anymore) and that will stop them from buying items at any given price just to be able to resell them at a even higher price. They will put in a lower max bid (which is hidden to all others during the auction) next time, and thus our goal is reached: lower prices.

Also, the eBay method does not reveil who is bidding during the process, which makes it even more difficult for resellers to figure out how high the price will go, because they can no longer see wether it is a player bidding or another reseller.

 

[Jorael]

So, anonymous bidding?

Sounds good... BUT... Resellers then get anonymity. HELL NO! that's all they want !

i hate this. And MA doesn't seem to care either.

Bah.

 

[Swede]

yeah this is a good idea a bit like playing holdem then where you cant rais a bid less then the previous rais, but there shuld always be the "all in" option as well if you dont have peds for a full rais you shuld be able to rais it with as mutch as you got anyway

 

[MG Mighty]

Allowing the seller to set minimum bid.

Interesting and probably usefull.

My advise in the mean time is simple:

Put your starting bid at the level that you wouldn't mind selling.

In case you are a buyer.
No need for this system to be implemented.
If you want to raise the bid 10 PEDs you already can.
If you don't want to wait in the bid war make your maximum has your first bid.
You will loose PEDs but time is money and you gain time so it's up to you to decide.

So has you can see MA has no reason to change the way that we make bids.


About hiding biding it is simple:
Resellers would win with this option trust me.

Stoping an item to be relisted has problems:
First problem:
There are stackable items which would create a complicate sistem of control so I wouldn't advise MA to create it on stackables at all.

Second problem:
Most scum resellers won't mind waiting 7 days to relist the item, they can only list 15 at each time anyway so if your idea is to prevent reselling I say it won't happen, it might prevent the ones which are starting but those who are establish and that he intend to harm will love it.
I mean they will be very happy with it, do you think that the care that if to decrease competition they must wait 7 more days when it takes them a few weeks to sell the item for a big profit.
Sure that it will prevent those who buy and try to resell for more TT+10 5 minutes later.

But I certainly would rather prefer that they waste their time doing usefull things like correcting bugs than spending time trying to fix minor details to make people happy when they don't want to raise the bids for 1 Euro and are affraid of even loosing 10 Cents.

Because this is what you are talking about.

But I would consider that making the seller in more control of its auction a positive aspect.

 

[Tigerman]

Allowing the seller to set minimum bid.

Interesting and probably usefull.

My advise in the mean time is simple:

Put your starting bid at the level that you wouldn't mind selling.

In case you are a buyer.
No need for this system to be implemented.
If you want to raise the bid 10 PEDs you already can.
If you don't want to wait in the bid war make your maximum has your first bid.
You will loose PEDs but time is money and you gain time so it's up to you to decide.

So has you can see MA has no reason to change the way that we make bids.


About hiding biding it is simple:
Resellers would win with this option trust me.

Stoping an item to be relisted has problems:
First problem:
There are stackable items which would create a complicate sistem of control so I wouldn't advise MA to create it on stackables at all.

Second problem:
Most scum resellers won't mind waiting 7 days to relist the item, they can only list 15 at each time anyway so if your idea is to prevent reselling I say it won't happen, it might prevent the ones which are starting but those who are establish and that he intend to harm will love it.
I mean they will be very happy with it, do you think that the care that if to decrease competition they must wait 7 more days when it takes them a few weeks to sell the item for a big profit.
Sure that it will prevent those who buy and try to resell for more TT+10 5 minutes later.

But I certainly would rather prefer that they waste their time doing usefull things like correcting bugs than spending time trying to fix minor details to make people happy when they don't want to raise the bids for 1 Euro and are affraid of even loosing 10 Cents.

Because this is what you are talking about.

But I would consider that making the seller in more control of its auction a positive aspect.

No, im not talking about people losing 10 cents by raising one PED...
Im talking about lamers outbidding people 1 PED on every single PED for the purposeses of
1. Pissing people off
2. Trying to resell the item back to the initial bidders
3. Getting the item for the price the other bidder offers. Which more or less AINT A BID. 1 PED raise on a 2500 PED item aint a BID its a "sell to me instead of the other guy"

 

[MG Mighty]

No, im not talking about people losing 10 cents by raising one PED...
Im talking about lamers outbidding people 1 PED on every single PED for the purposeses of
1. Pissing people off
2. Trying to resell the item back to the initial bidders
3. Getting the item for the price the other bidder offers. Which more or less AINT A BID. 1 PED raise on a 2500 PED item aint a BID its a "sell to me instead of the other guy"

My point remains the same.
It is positive in the seller point of view to have more control.

If you are the buyer I see no advantadge.
If you wish to buy set your maximum price and go to it.
It won't take more than 5 bids to reach it no matter what the "stupid reseller" does it won't take more than 30 minutes to reach the point at which you aren't interested anymore.
If the reseller is trying to sell back:

1) Sorry but I won't have pitty for those who don't want to pay what they think something is worth, but later on realize their mistake and wish to actually pay it.

My advise remains the same if you wish to win be ready to pay what you think it is worth and if the reseller outbids you then accept the fact that he believes that others are willing to pay more.
And in no circunstance buyback from him again, that ought to teach him not to try to resell to you.

So,
more power to control his auctioned goods to the seller is good.

Everything else is trying to please whinning people who want cheap items now and probably will resell a few months later anyway for profit.
I have no pitty for these whinners.

->I'm against that the seller be forced to accept that at some point the minimum raise bid is higher than whatever the minimum bid was at lower levels unless it is his will and wish.

->That there is a major change in the actual bidding system (I won't give examples since I don't want to give ideas of what I don't want to happen)
Ok I give one:
I'm totally against proxy bidding in items which the price is set to less than 500 PED.
(Resellers just would try to outbid your set price to find out how much you would pay, so it is pointless aspect to win the war against them, it would help them too much, later on they would try to sell back the item, and by the way things are going you wouldn't even notice it was him).

1. Pissing people off

The only thing that really annoys me is that I have to wait another 5 minutes to see if the other guys wishes to outbid me.
Trully it is annoying to wait and see that he only makes the minimum bid and whatever that minimum bid would be it still would piss you off (think about it and you'll admit it)

So my sugestions would be simple:

The seller could set other values to minimum increase of the bids, either fixed or in a percentage of the total value of the item.

After the "normal end auction" time has passed each bid a person would do would decrease the time limit from the end auction from 5 minutes to 4 then to 3 then to 2 then to 1 minute(minimum).
Basically 1 minute to end auction after end time has passed after a few bids of the same person.
(this 1 minute would be appliable to everybody, so the buyer to set it on might just 4 bids in a row to activate it and the auction would definatly end faster)

Good for the seller since it wouldn't just end at set time and prevent people for paying what they really decided their maximum price is.

Fair for the buyers since they shouldn't be forced to waste too much time waiting for others to decide if it is worth or not to raise the bid by the minimum allowed.

Things to remember:
There allways be a minimum allowed and people will use it
And waiting many minutes to see minimum raises will most likelly annoy you no matter what the "value" of this minimum bid is.
So what should be corrected is what can be corrected, what can't be corrected leave as it is, especially if doesn't grant advantadges to the regular users.

 

[Tigerman]

As a buyer, i can se a VERY clear advantage in minimum raises. If I set my max for an item at say 4,5k PED and some punk keep bidding 1 PED above my bid, Its easier to get "fooled into" adding another 50 to that max.. and then another 50, and then another 50.. and then youre all of a sudden at 5k PED..

If the minimum raise was 50 PED however people might stop for a second and think, do i REALLY want to go 100 PED above what i set as a limit?
Also, it would be making it harder for the resellers to push prices up on the items by just adding a PED and hope to get outbid and keep doing that forever..

Ive personally seen people keep bidding 1 ped above on EVERY SINGLE BID thats been made, eventually winning the auction at way above normal market price. What happens next? Its in the bloody auction again for sale the next day, by the lamebidder that bought it!

Personally I think the minimum raise SHOULD be ingame and the seller should be able to set it.
Sure, if you set minimum raise to 250 PED that could cause you to get 100 PED less for the item, but damn how id rather have someone thats not lamebidding win the auctions with proper bidding..

 

[MG Mighty]

As a buyer, i can se a VERY clear advantage in minimum raises. If I set my max for an item at say 4,5k PED and some punk keep bidding 1 PED above my bid, Its easier to get "fooled into" adding another 50 to that max.. and then another 50, and then another 50.. and then youre all of a sudden at 5k PED..

If the minimum raise was 50 PED however people might stop for a second and think, do i REALLY want to go 100 PED above what i set as a limit?
Also, it would be making it harder for the resellers to push prices up on the items by just adding a PED and hope to get outbid and keep doing that forever..

Ive personally seen people keep bidding 1 ped above on EVERY SINGLE BID thats been made, eventually winning the auction at way above normal market price. What happens next? Its in the bloody auction again for sale the next day, by the lamebidder that bought it!

Personally I think the minimum raise SHOULD be ingame and the seller should be able to set it.
Sure, if you set minimum raise to 250 PED that could cause you to get 100 PED less for the item, but damn how id rather have someone thats not lamebidding win the auctions with proper bidding..

I see that you get my point.

WHAT SELLER WOULD USE A SYSTEM THAT MOST LIKELLY WILL MAKE HIM LOOSE PEDS ?
A: Nobody.

So what what you propose is a nice implementation that shall be rarelly used.
And the justification of it is that some people get pissed from waiting and do stupid mistakes like raising more than what they intended.

Solution:
Wasn't it better to propose a system where people don't have good reasons to get annoyed ?

If you started at 4,5K and ended at 5K it was because

either you are stupid and got fooled into a bid war that you wish to win because of hate,
I have no pitty for you.

or because you think it is worth 5K and were trying to get a bargain for 4,5K
and don't want to wait to achive such bargain
So I have no pitty for you either


What I think such be protected are those people who wouldn't mind to pay the 5K but for obvious reasons don't wish to pay more than what is required to win the bid.
And they don't want to be forced to wait 4-6 hours to win an auction just because somebody is increasing the time limit 5 minutes each time for the minimum bid.

I say that once the inicial end time of the auction is reached if the same person makes 4 bids over the price that the end time of such auction ought to be set to end in 1 minute.

The reason why people in your case make 50 PEDs bids is to gain time that would be wasted on 50 bids at 1 PED increased made 5 minutes apart.
Which is too much time for a mature person with responsabilities to wait.
But if the 1 minute sistem was appliable in 10 minutes that same person could raise the bid by 200 PEDs at 20 PEDeach time and see if we would win for its price in a reasonable ammount of time and not be forced to overpay in a hate bidding war.

The reason why people get pissed and annoyed is because they are forced to wait for 5 minutes for an ending auction and can't do that many other things that please them while waiting.
If they aren't forced to wait that long they shall be much more willing to be patient and not enter a bid war that they didn't wish for it.




Or to make it even more simple 4 bids made after the end time would set the end of auction to 1-2 minute after the bid was made.

Simple to implement.

It would give enough time for a fast reload due to bugs (althought not advisable since it usually takes almost 1 minute)

Prevent mature people with responsabilities to be forced to wait hours for an auction to end while they can't do anything worth their time in the mean while, just because somebody is doing minimum bid increases 5 minutes apart.

 

[elisa]

Voted for the first option.

However, as mentioned above, proxy bidding (eBay style) would be more valuable addition to the game. I had countless cases when some item I want doesn't have a buyout (or doesn't have a sensible buyout) and it expires when I'm at work EU is not a game targeting teenagers only and this has to be taken into account. With current level of turnover we surely deserve much more efficient trading tools.

As a buyer, i can se a VERY clear advantage in minimum raises. If I set my max for an item at say 4,5k PED and some punk keep bidding 1 PED above my bid, Its easier to get "fooled into" adding another 50 to that max.. and then another 50, and then another 50.. and then youre all of a sudden at 5k PED..

To be honest I don't see how minimal bids would make the price any lower. If you think 4.5k is your max price, just stick to it and stop bidding once it is exceeded If you are willing to pay 50 and 50 and 50 more, then 4.5k wasn't the max price

If the minimum raise was 50 PED however people might stop for a second and think, do i REALLY want to go 100 PED above what i set as a limit?
Also, it would be making it harder for the resellers to push prices up on the items by just adding a PED and hope to get outbid and keep doing that forever..

Ive personally seen people keep bidding 1 ped above on EVERY SINGLE BID thats been made, eventually winning the auction at way above normal market price. What happens next? Its in the bloody auction again for sale the next day, by the lamebidder that bought it!

Personally I think the minimum raise SHOULD be ingame and the seller should be able to set it.
Sure, if you set minimum raise to 250 PED that could cause you to get 100 PED less for the item, but damn how id rather have someone thats not lamebidding win the auctions with proper bidding..

Well, if we don't take into account players who just do it for fun for the sake of pissing people off (I believe there isn't that many of them), bidding 1ped above the current bid is just an efficient trading practice based on the current implementation of the auction. And what I mean by efficiency is the ability to buy an item for the minimal price (in expense of time spent on auction, in this particular case). It is based both on purely numerical nature (the lesser the bid, the less price increases) and psychological nature (not every person would like to sit in front of the monitor for hours to get the desired item while somebody is bidding with 1ped increase). Setting up the minimal bid only will not solve this issue. The reason for this strategy to exist is 5min increase in auction time. If the auction time was fixed (together with introducing proxy bidding), this strategy (IMHO completely legitimate, but surely boring) wouldn't exist.

 

[MG Mighty]

Resume of my sugestions:

Once 4 bids made after the initial end time is reached the end of the auction ought to be set to 1(or2) minute increases after the last bid was made. (instead of the current 5)
(I believe it is simple to implement and would give just the enough time to reload due to bugs - my wish would trully be 1 minute but if a bidder just log off there would be an 1 extra minute time grace to see if he can relogg in time for his last bid, this would be a one chance situation, more complicate but more fair)

Proxy bidding allowed for items with bids over 500 PED.
(To attract more mature people to "fair" auctions so that they don't have to wait/ be online at the time of end auction when they could be sleeping/working -> allows them to gain more money to spend in Entropia Universe or hunting/otherwise spending money in the game).

Minimum bid increases for proxie bidders (mandatory) and to others if seller wish to be so.
Set to a % of the total value of the highest bid.
I think that a good value of be 1% for items over 100 PEDs[Which would mean 5 PEDs minimum increase for proxie bidding at 500 PED and 50 at 5K PEDs] the system wouldn't be available for items with price set under 100 PEDs and the minimum value should be rounded down to the nearest PED]

 

[aridash]

this is an absolutly stupid idea, it would be difficult to implement and wouldnt work anyway.

you're going to have to tier items in order to allow 1 ped bids to remain on shogun armour while forcing 10ped bids on nemisis parts and 100ped bids on shadow. how are you to determine the tiers? cant use TT for obvious reasons (low relative TT or 0 if not obvious) and if you use value ranges then your minimum would go up if you cross a tier. Go to a real auction and bid increment lowers at the end of the bidding. added to this you've just over inflated the price of every item above the 1ped tier. Will mr reseller even care? they'll happily just bid up 100ped at time if they've got the cash to be in that tier anyway, probably flush out the genuine bidders more easily buy overpricing the item more quickly.


Lets review the problem, repeated small incremental bids. the simple solution would be to set a time limit before another bid can be made. actually the simplest solution is to drop the 5 minute rule at the end of the auction. But i dont think i like these solutions either. maybe blind bids or dutch auction could work? Or maybe there's not really a problem here at all.

 

[Tigerman]

this is an absolutly stupid idea, it would be difficult to implement and wouldnt work anyway.

you're going to have to tier items in order to allow 1 ped bids to remain on shogun armour while forcing 10ped bids on nemisis parts and 100ped bids on shadow. how are you to determine the tiers? cant use TT for obvious reasons (low relative TT or 0 if not obvious) and if you use value ranges then your minimum would go up if you cross a tier. Go to a real auction and bid increment lowers at the end of the bidding. added to this you've just over inflated the price of every item above the 1ped tier. Will mr reseller even care? they'll happily just bid up 100ped at time if they've got the cash to be in that tier anyway, probably flush out the genuine bidders more easily buy overpricing the item more quickly.


Lets review the problem, repeated small incremental bids. the simple solution would be to set a time limit before another bid can be made. actually the simplest solution is to drop the 5 minute rule at the end of the auction which is what make the problem even possible. But i dont think i like these solutions either. maybe blind bids or dutch auction could work? Or maybe there's not really a problem here at all.

Well, Id like the seller decided version.. Just like ceratin auction sites..
If i set Minimum Raise 100 PED on a jester D-1 ofc its not gonna sell, but I can also avoid people Raising 1 PED on a shadow armor set...
If im offered 5k PED for an item, im not gonna sell it to someone else that offer 5001 PED. If i did that in a pvp trade people would hate me for it, so why should i allow my auctions to do it? (At this time; Only because i HAVE to)

 

[aridash]

Well, Id like the seller decided version.. Just like ceratin auction sites..

i was going to leave this but... how does this even help you as a buyer? it relys on the seller bothering to set a higher increment. maybe they will, but i wouldnt count on it. when confronted with the option of appling a 100ped increment, i have to decide will i get 100ped over the "correct" price or 99ped less? or should i just leave it to find a natural level? i think i'll just leave it to the market.

ask yourself, do people always set a BO? not really any different.