Mining Profession without Future

[HybOj]

You think you are playing alone ?

Only 2000 unique characters globaled in the last 30 days..

How many "skilled" miners are up there ? 20 ???

Havent you got two towers when you was noob ???

Dont you want to STFU already ?

Ye IMO he talks mostly BS
But Im with him on SGA part - too little amount of SGA miners equip dropped.

About noobs getting ATH - thats normal when you count numbers of noobs and ubers actually mining. More big loots will come to noobs as they 95% of active miners. (to the OP)

 

[Ciuciulix]

Bad return in Minning Activities

I see no future for Noob Minners - the TT equipment in this Second Golden Age is good for nothing and comparing with the Hunting Activities where the return in the "bad days of MA" is cca. 60-70% at Minning you get cca. between 20% - 40%.... This is the big quaestion!?!....

In the previous Version 9.4.4 the Return was better!... This is what we all agree!... Dear MA can you answer why is Vers. 10... harder like Vers 9.4.4.???

 

[Xavier_Jr]

I see no future for Noob Minners - the TT equipment in this Second Golden Age is good for nothing and comparing with the Hunting Activities where the return in the "bad days of MA" is cca. 60-70% at Minning you get cca. between 20% - 40%.... This is the big quaestion!?!....

In the previous Version 9.4.4 the Return was better!... This is what we all agree!... Dear MA can you answer why is Vers. 10... harder like Vers 9.4.4.???

You are wrong! At Mining you only need your intelligence. Equipment is not important and Skills is not important. For example, today, a miner found an uberloot of 6.1k with only an OF-105 without amplifier!!

But I must to say this too:

The only thing that you can named "game" inside EU is the hunting profession. Because hunting is funny and enjoyable. But If you do not receive any loot in mining you only left mining because is very bored. At last, crafting is not a game because only is very similar to gambling. You only need for crafting many dollars and autoclickers!

My point is: Hunting is the only real "game" inside the EU. And this is the reason because MA take all our money for playing hunting, because MA knows that is funny and can be expensive!

Mining is a profession where you can obtain a lot of skills without you need to pay many money. All people knows here that hunting is the more expensive at skills and equipment. Then ¿What is an UberMiner? An avatar with 95 HP and 30 level of prospector??? And do you want to implement a new elite of priviliged with "silver hats"??? Are you crazy??? Really many more hunters of level 50 puts inside the game more money than these "Uberminers" at all history, and really these hunters never and never received nothing similar to miners of same level.

Mining profession is really very good like is. And is not necesary to create a new Elite of privileges on privileged.

I believe MA must to think in Hunters of middle level Because they are who pays the costs of all this game.. and they never received nothing!!

 

[psychnosiz]

Akoz, i would agree and also disagree a bit ... i am pretty certain that the prospector level helps you to find "better" ores (not especially rare ones) than a less skilled miner with the same tools and in the same locations.

It's the tool that find certain ores and your skills contribute to your tool usage, not your finds.

Anyway, I really don't get the fuzz ... threw 5 bombs and got a glob yesterday.
Went out again, threw 30 bombs and got a XI, and 2 high MU ores (around 1000%).

If I go to cnd UNamped I also usually return with profit.

So lots of people have chosen the wrong profession imo

 

[Arkonen]

It's the tool that find certain ores and your skills contribute to your tool usage, not your finds.

This is exactly the type of answer i was expecting.
So can you explain that 2 different miners at the same time at the same location with the same maxed finder do find different ores ? You can't and you can't prove it. So am i with my "theory".

We basically don't know what really is the advantage of increasing your pro level in prospecting ... so my point was (and is still) ... before asking to change something, maybe could we try to understand how it really works and see if it is not already perfect like it is now.

 

[Manique]

Hey dear entropians again...

My point is...

Is more easy for a noob get ATH our a level player then a skilled miner we have more then proves of that...
Just look for Hall of Fame...

Second SGA items should be all items miners like hunters...
why not of105 SGA?

Thirth why not put biggest claim in more depth? To increase more people be ubber miners...

First Point,
- I must say i dissagree a bit, the profession where i see most noobs getting ath's easier is definitly crafting, I don't see any noob miner (except 1-2 that didnt risked a lot) getting a AH
Second
- Yes it'd be fair, miners don't have such a wide range of gear like hunters do. But they easilly max out any Unl gear they have, not the same with hunters for example.
Third,
- Wouldn't be a bad idea seeing a bigger depth on claims,since a guy at lvl 20-25 can go down to the max depth (not taking any good points of it) but they go down there.

My 2 pecs

 

[Chasey]

First when I read your post I was thinking that this was serious but now I know you are joking or you must be because none can mean all this for real


Only for miners is possible now play the game with 150 peds or less.

You can do the same if you hunt Exa with Opalo no armor and no amp


You only need 40 peds in bombs and one amplifier; and you can obtain a global or Hof, and skills.

Haha oh yes 40 ped in your dreams maybe LOL and no miner doing just 40 bomb runs …the truth is that a run with 236 bombs and oa-103 = ~776 ped
and 234 bombs with oa-105=~1494 ped


Do u know who is Edgar Mundo?.. He is my friend. He is ONLY level 53 in prospector

Oh yes ONLY LVL 53 do you know how high that is for a miner ? I tell you it is VERY VERY high

Thanx you for today's laugh man

Yeah Haddock ur right!

I bet he dunno what it is to lose 1-2K Ped on mining at just one day...

LoL 40 drops without amp´s.. who wanna do so small mining round´s or get size II or III claims without amp´s?!
You don´t flap a OA 101 BP (QR 0,0) in a crafting mashine for just 3 klicks in hope for a global/hof ...
And hell yeah maybe Edgar get lucky last year with Ath´s / Ubers or what else but he´s just one of few player´s, not every 2nd player get so lucky

And really most time if someone get lucky then its a noob with OF-105 amped OA 103 1st time cnd and 3rd drop...

Btw i´m talking about Xavier Jr

 

[Az Bloodz]

I bet he dunno what it is to lose 1-2K Ped on mining at just one day...

Impossible to do if you mine without amp + planet side which is the most eco way. If you are gambling you are gambling but please don't call this mining.

 

[sndlwood]

Im playing for more then 5 years reached the better finders in game, in enmatters and ores without see any difference, sure i get more rare ores but what this makes when i get less regular ores then a low finder?
Its dissapointing see someone without any expirience on mining loot unl amps our huge ATHs when all them sell the loot and withraw the peds taking them out of the economy?
Should be a system to prevent withraws for we have more money in economy and loot pool be bigger no?
I want have unl amp to mine for next 10 years but is complettely impossibel a ubber miner get them our buy them with the loot i get...
Hunters have loots of items SGA, crafters have new items to craft them enhancers and us miners not even a of105 SGA we have its tottaly insane...
Where is our SPACECRAFTS???

Where is the logic of be a ubber miner? Get rare ores?
Should be increase day after day more for new ores, new finders, more acess for great ATHS and items because us dont withraw that peds...

Thankz to listening me people

King regards...

The reason you increased your skills was so that you could find rare resources and nothing more. Anybody who believes that higher skills either makes their claim sizes bigger or guarantees that they will find rare items like UL finders or ATH sized claims is deluding themselves.

Every player has the right to remove their PED from the game if they choose. We're not all going to keep our PEDs in circulation just so that you can win them all. But if you want to keep feeding the loot pool for us for the next 10 years that's fine with me.

Spacecrafts? Don't hold your breath.

I have no sympathy for you. Everyone who is mining in this game has it hard. Stop your whining and get back to work.

 

[Arkonen]

Impossible to do if you mine without amp + planet side which is the most eco way. If you are gambling you are gambling but please don't call this mining.

Hum ... let me disagree.

Running planet side and burning each day 20 or 30 OA103,OA104 or even 105 is quite common between all the "professional" miners.
It is not called gambling ... it is just a "normal working day" if you want to generate some reasonable "profit". And loosing 1K-2K a day on a bad run is quite frequent.

What "hunters" do not understand is that even if all mining gear is cheap compared to hunting one a decent miner needs a great cashflow .

A "good" hunter has to invest in hunting gear and can survive with a cashflow of 3K-4K peds.

A "good" miner has to have a weekly cashflow between 10K-20K ... and i'm not speaking of miners like Squall or Maronelle !!

EDIT : This is not taking into account that after very bad runs ... the hunter can still sell the gear he did invest in ... the miner not ;-)

 

[Mary Jane]

Hum ... let me disagree.

Running planet side and burning each day 20 or 30 OA103,OA104 or even 105 is quite common between all the "professional" miners.
It is not called gambling ... it is just a "normal working day" if you want to generate some reasonable "profit". And loosing 1K-2K a day on a bad run is quite frequent.

What "hunters" do not understand is that even if all mining gear is cheap compared to hunting one a decent miner needs a great cashflow .

A "good" hunter has to invest in hunting gear and can survive with a cashflow of 3K-4K peds.

A "good" miner has to have a weekly cashflow between 10K-20K ... and i'm not speaking of miners like Squall or Maronelle !!

EDIT : This is not taking into account that after very bad runs ... the hunter can still sell the gear he did invest in ... the miner not ;-)

Is no point to say nothing else in EF.
All the people just saying BS is a pure blind hunters.
I spend weekly allot in oas103.
Much more then allmost of hunters in this game.
I'm not winning all people can see in thread I don't talk about loot pool just I think is more fair for mining profession do more events like hunters have. Give more SGA items.

All ubbers miners know one thing in this game and is very strange.
If I use vrx3k I never found one claim less 700 meters why?
A claim should be in the floor in certain position.
Look if I go with of105 I get a small lyst at 456 meters if I go with vrx I don't get this claim at 456 meters why?

 

[Az Bloodz]

Hum ... let me disagree.

Running planet side and burning each day 20 or 30 OA103,OA104 or even 105 is quite common between all the "professional" miners.
It is not called gambling ... it is just a "normal working day" if you want to generate some reasonable "profit". And loosing 1K-2K a day on a bad run is quite frequent.

If yo udon't have the PEDs to back this up then it's your fault using such amps. If you do where is the problem? You'll profit overall. If you can't cover the amp downgrade. No mystery in mining it's almost a no brainer.

 

[Waheed]

Is no point to say nothing else in EF.
All the people just saying BS is a pure blind hunters.
I spend weekly allot in oas103.
Much more then allmost of hunters in this game.
I'm not winning all people can see in thread I don't talk about loot pool just I think is more fair for mining profession do more events like hunters have. Give more SGA items.

All ubbers miners know one thing in this game and is very strange.
If I use vrx3k I never found one claim less 700 meters why?
A claim should be in the floor in certain position.
Look if I go with of105 I get a small lyst at 456 meters if I go with vrx I don't get this claim at 456 meters why?

I do really not see this as being strange - Vrx3k has an AVERAGE search depth of 1000m, which means that you are not even "lookin" at 456m

This has been spoken about a million times before, and this is why I have allways been running with 2 finders (Best I could use and OF105) And most other skilled miners I know is doing the same thing.


I believe that if you started to listen a bit to some of the ppl who does not agree with you, instead of just saying they are talking BS and know nothing becourse they are hunters, and actualy made an effort to debate with ppl instead of neg repping them and tell them to die fast, then MAYBE ppl would start listening to what you had to say as well.


1. You complain about ATHs for noobs (Lootpool) Yeah it's anoying, but nothing wrong with it really.

2. You complain about lag of event items and mining events in generalt - Yes I agree with you, MA/FPC/Lootius really needs to start thinking more about the miners.

3. You complain about skills does not matter after maxing finders - I agree with you, we need some sort of specialisation with skills so that ppl can inprove even further than just the max skill req.



I believe some of the reasons that ppl do not listen as much to you as you want them to is that you knowledge about mining does not match your skill lvl, you are complaining about to many things - And if ppl does not agree with you, then they are stupid, talking BS, not knowing what they talk about or else they should just die. Treat ppl with the same respect as you are trying to recieve, and maybe you will gain it at some point

 

[Arkonen]

All ubbers miners know one thing in this game and is very strange.
If I use vrx3k I never found one claim less 700 meters why?
A claim should be in the floor in certain position.
Look if I go with of105 I get a small lyst at 456 meters if I go with vrx I don't get this claim at 456 meters why?

Mary ...

Once you will find the answer to those questions ... you will become a "ubber" miner.

 

[Mary Jane]

Mary ...

Once you will find the answer to those questions ... you will become a "ubber" miner.

I'm not a ubber miner I'm just a long player with some depoits...

Don't make sense in any brain if I past with of 105 droop one bomb and get mamonth at 600 meters and if I droop same bombs with vrx3k in same place with depth 0 to 1000 meters don't get that is tottaly unlogical.
That means claims are not in floor are a random calcul at each bomb he droop.
I don't know this before and I'm readdy to sell out.
No point to use vrx3k for what get a few rare ores?

 

[Arkonen]

If yo udon't have the PEDs to back this up then it's your fault using such amps. If you do where is the problem? You'll profit overall. If you can't cover the amp downgrade. No mystery in mining it's almost a no brainer.

I can profit every run hunting merps young with an opalo and a A101... those are not lies as i did it during my first 6 months in this game ... the profit will only be around 1-2 peds each run and this does not allow you to do other things.

Unamped mining is about the same ... profit is easy but profit is small, if you want a decent profit ... you need to go through 15-20 OA103 every day in order to limit the risk of a bad run as much as possible.

Ubber hunters just do the same ... they spend a lot of peds hunting every day ... probably 10x the amount of peds of a "basic" hunter ... for ubber miners it is exactly the same except that we don't have to invest a lot in items ... we need to have cash available. Another difference is that when you hunt you can TT alot of things as they have no markup and TT is instant cash ... in mining you can not TT anything and you have to wait for a sale ... this may take up to 1 full week with your peds stuck in auction. So there is no real difference hunters have to invest in items, miners need to "invest" in peds for their cashflow.


I know you will tell me to look at the price of a "basic" adjusted fap ... i will answer that the value of this item was created by hunters ... if adjusted fap was TT food the story would be very different.

 

[Arkonen]

I'm not a ubber miner I'm just a long player with some depoits...

Don't make sense in any brain if I past with of 105 droop one bomb and get mamonth at 600 meters and if I droop same bombs with vrx3k in same place with depth 0 to 1000 meters don't get that is tottaly unlogical.
That means claims are not in floor are a random calcul at each bomb he droop.
I don't know this before and I'm readdy to sell out.
No point to use vrx3k for what get a few rare ores?

Some more hints

• When there are mutliple ores on the same spot, you still need to drop multiple bombs to find them
• Some ores are usually found at certain specific depths
• Having a finding range of 1000m on a vrx3000 does not especially mean that the range is from 0 to 1000

"Use the good finder, at the good location, at the good time" ... there is no other secret.

One advantage of being a "ubber" miner is that we have the opportunity to use a lot more different finders than a "noob" that only max the TT one. So in theory whe have more chances to use the right finder at the right location on the right time

Edit : And NO claims are not waiting for you in the ground ... but it does not change a word to what i just said

 

[Waheed]

I'm not a ubber miner I'm just a long player with some depoits...

Don't make sense in any brain if I past with of 105 droop one bomb and get mamonth at 600 meters and if I droop same bombs with vrx3k in same place with depth 0 to 1000 meters don't get that is tottaly unlogical.
That means claims are not in floor are a random calcul at each bomb he droop.
I don't know this before and I'm readdy to sell out.
No point to use vrx3k for what get a few rare ores?

I simply need to know - Where did you read the Vrx3k had a search range from 0 to 1000m ?

I really wanna know where it says that - All the ones I have looked at says AVERAGE search depth 1000m, which means that it will just about NEVER go down to anything even remotely close to 0m

 

[Timbo Witters]

Maybe have a look here for all the search depth and how deep witch ores is mostly located.

 

[Kerham]

That means claims are not in floor are a random calcul at each bomb he droop.
I don't know this before and I'm readdy to sell out.
No point to use vrx3k for what get a few rare ores?

Lol. And you call yourself a miner.

What's your next belief, that the items are in the crafting machines and all you need is to break into them?

 

[Az Bloodz]

I can profit every run hunting merps young with an opalo and a A101... those are not lies as i did it during my first 6 months in this game ... the profit will only be around 1-2 peds each run and this does not allow you to do other things.

Considering Narfi's projects you can't. Sure you will/can end up in the profit after some time [very likely] but you do not profit on every run. Maybe you could but you surely can't anymore.

Unamped mining is about the same ... profit is easy but profit is small, if you want a decent profit ... you need to go through 15-20 OA103 every day in order to limit the risk of a bad run as much as possible.

You don't get my point. It's simply about it's easy to profit when mining. That's all I am saying since there are people like trance who claim they can't.

 

[Kerham]

I wouldn't call easy. The simple carpet of whole continents to know the fields and such can cost easily 5k, unamped. The planet's quite big.

I'd say rather that mining unamped is the less risk option ingame, but profit is a big word.

 

[Xavier_Jr]

Yeah Haddock ur right!

I bet he dunno what it is to lose 1-2K Ped on mining at just one day...

LoL 40 drops without amp´s.. who wanna do so small mining round´s or get size II or III claims without amp´s?!
You don´t flap a OA 101 BP (QR 0,0) in a crafting mashine for just 3 klicks in hope for a global/hof ...
And hell yeah maybe Edgar get lucky last year with Ath´s / Ubers or what else but he´s just one of few player´s, not every 2nd player get so lucky

And really most time if someone get lucky then its a noob with OF-105 amped OA 103 1st time cnd and 3rd drop...

Btw i´m talking about Xavier Jr

Well i said before mining is not a "game" is like more as psico-test for intelligence. If you do not understand how mining works. better you must be a hunter. Hunting is enjoyable and cost same that you are loosing in mining. Really i have many friends who knows how mining works, and they are helping now our society. Inclusive a member of our society is level 33 prospector now (Askan Coloso Machado *). He NEVER puts one dollar to be miner!. But he has withdrawn from the game almost 1000 USD in 2009!

Good luck man!


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PD -He dont need to obtain a global, for win peds in all runs that he does

 

[The Nightbird]

signed..

I want double move speed and faster move speed up hills!

 

[Mary Jane]

signed..

I want double move speed and faster move speed up hills!

That's true specially in cnd...

 

[Mr Trayles]

Well i said before mining is not a "game" is like more as psico-test for intelligence. If you do not understand how mining works. better you must be a hunter. Hunting is enjoyable and cost same that you are loosing in mining. Really i have many friends who knows how mining works, and they are helping now our society. Inclusive a member of our society is level 33 prospector now (Askan Coloso Machado *). He NEVER puts one dollar to be miner!. But he has withdrawn from the game almost 1000 USD in 2009!

Good luck man!


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PD -He dont need to obtain a global, for win peds in all runs that he does

I am envious. I don't deposit anymore, but I sure don't make that kind of money..... YET!

 

[Arkonen]

Considering Narfi's projects you can't. Sure you will/can end up in the profit after some time [very likely] but you do not profit on every run. Maybe you could but you surely can't anymore.

When you hunt merp long enough you always have a series of better loots, the trick is to stop just after? Sometimes you will have to wait until the end of the run, sometimes it will only be after a few minutes.

You don't get my point. It's simply about it's easy to profit when mining. That's all I am saying since there are people like trance who claim they can't.

It depends of your definition of "profit" ... if after a mining run i came back with a positive balance of 10-20 peds i do not call it "profit" as i know it will most probably vanish on the next run. For most of the "pro" the definition of "Profit" in mining is having positive balance of 200-300 peds each day and believe me that is NOT easy at all.

 

[Moonbiter]

Dear Entropians...

Im here to pass my feelings at moment after do a petition and get around 300 signatures making me not alone in this problem...

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/mining/163195-petition-miners.html


FIRST i dont gonna complain about loot pool because that is pure LUCK...

But look my point of view...

Im playing for more then 5 years reached the better finders in game, in enmatters and ores without see any difference, sure i get more rare ores but what this makes when i get less regular ores then a low finder?
Its dissapointing see someone without any expirience on mining loot unl amps our huge ATHs when all them sell the loot and withraw the peds taking them out of the economy?
Should be a system to prevent withraws for we have more money in economy and loot pool be bigger no?
I want have unl amp to mine for next 10 years but is complettely impossibel a ubber miner get them our buy them with the loot i get...
Hunters have loots of items SGA, crafters have new items to craft them enhancers and us miners not even a of105 SGA we have its tottaly insane...
Where is our SPACECRAFTS???

Where is the logic of be a ubber miner? Get rare ores?
Should be increase day after day more for new ores, new finders, more acess for great ATHS and items because us dont withraw that peds...

Thankz to listening me people

King regards...

Sorry Mary Jane, but i didn't sign petition to demand fundamental changes to mining system or give your theories and demands more credibility. I did it because of SGA items (or lack thereof) for miners.

So, you can remove my name from petition, don't want it to be used for such kind of threads.

Kthnxbye

 

[haddock]

I just want to say TY to all Hunters for learning us how to mine, and telling us that we are the winners in EU because we profit BIG all the time that is verry kind of you

Thank you

 

[Mary Jane]

I just want to say TY to all Hunters for learning us how to mine, and telling us that we are the winners in EU because we profit BIG all the time that is verry kind of you

Thank you

That's why hunters don't mine is to easy to make proffit lol
Real Hunters never leave a comment in miners threads for all I have done atm.