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i wasn't having a good time mining either, returns were also very bad and i was not getting nearly enough of the rarer ores to sell at auction

i decided to read on it more, got on discord with someone who knew a lot more about mining and he taught me about LBML (www.mininglog.com i highly recommend it!)

i sold my hunting gear and scraped about 1300 PED, bought a F-105 an extractor and about 1200ped worth of probes

i usually do between 250 and 350 drops per mining run, no overlapping. any stack of 100p or over i put at auction, rest goes in storage until its stacked big enough to sell

there is just no way you are sitting at 50% returns unless you are dropping way too few probes. it took me a cycle of about 3500 PED (all unamped planetside, it takes quite a while actually...) to really start seeing my returns "average" out, and for now that average is sitting at 97.68%

try to do some "larger" mining runs, see if it changes anything :)

Sending good vibes your way, try not to take the game and mining too seriously, it really is just a game after all :)
 
R4tt3xx said:
Currently I am sitting at 50% return... <Sarcasm ON> ABSOLUTELY AMAZING GAME AND GAMEPLAY <Sarcasm Off>

Seriously MA, you need to do better...
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how much have you cycled? and at what cost per drop?
 
an old fart said:
i wasn't having a good time mining either, returns were also very bad and i was not getting nearly enough of the rarer ores to sell at auction

i decided to read on it more, got on discord with someone who knew a lot more about mining and he taught me about LBML (www.mininglog.com i highly recommend it!)

i sold my hunting gear and scraped about 1300 PED, bought a F-105 an extractor and about 1200ped worth of probes

i usually do between 250 and 350 drops per mining run, no overlapping. any stack of 100p or over i put at auction, rest goes in storage until its stacked big enough to sell

there is just no way you are sitting at 50% returns unless you are dropping way too few probes. it took me a cycle of about 3500 PED (all unamped planetside, it takes quite a while actually...) to really start seeing my returns "average" out, and for now that average is sitting at 97.68%

try to do some "larger" mining runs, see if it changes anything :)

Sending good vibes your way, try not to take the game and mining too seriously, it really is just a game after all :)
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The big difference between hunting and mining is :

1-You can mine with a cheap UNL finder(s), so you don't lose MU

2-The MU of resources is higher than the % of hunting loot.

Especially point 2 is hugely important:
The zone in which you will mine should consist of resources with a reasonable MU.
I do never go for high MU, but mostly for mid-range ores + fillers.
Those sell a lot faster with a nice %. I can even keep cycling when selling fillers only.
Here is an example where you can practically never make a profit ... with enm but ores might be good ... TEST THIS

Totall ped3,0019,745,98
Totall %10,45%68,73%20,82%
GarcenGrowthOil

This is one of the reasons why I never double drop.

As soon as you start selling big stacks at dumping prices, you're done for, so calculate everything!!!

If you start a run with the F-105, example : 100 drops ores, you should not earn back 100 ped but, 102.05 ped + extraction + refining !!!
And then there is the fee ...

And ofc you will have good and bad returns, but in the end it levels out when you take everything into account.
Never forget that your sales MU is the most important for profit, NOT globals/hofs.

If you need more info, feel free to contact me, I gladly help people that want to mine like I do and listen / learn. ;)
 
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an old fart said:
the only difference for me is that i always double drop...the fear of "missing" a fat claim is just too much for me! :ROFLMAO: (y)
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Dual dropping is changing ground composition.

But you never know when you can hit a big oil claim I suppose ;)

That is where you loose MU ... same when mining between mobs and shooting them ... and then get a shrapnel global 😒

EDIT : Believe it or not, there is not 1 zone where I go for ore AND enm ... always for 1 of them cause 1 of them is always bad.
 
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November 2024

Another month has passed.

This month I mined less but the returns are and will remain the same/stable, including the profits.
I have never believed in cycling and never will.
As long as you are mining without amps, all multipliers/globals are extra because you don't have to fill a pit, which is why my TT return is higher.
Only mining with UNL gear gives even better results because you don't pay MU.
Paying MU always means a loss.

The returns ... yes it can already be seen that shifts have happened.
By this I mean much, even very much less mid resources which causes bigger fluctuations on auction or in other words more volatile mining.
Your returns contain more and more fillers and less and less mid-depth resources.
Mining with amps will give you even more fillers and less mid-depth resources.
Except for a few certain resources, mining with an F-101 or F-106 makes almost no difference anymore, so why pay more decay/drop.

Once again, it is more and more important to sell even your fillers at a higher % if they peak at auction, and because I made some price adjustments, my profits are more than ok.
Can only say ... count count count ALL costs to determine your sales price.

And now to the results for this month :

Caly

Ores : TT return 107,45% - After sales 122,45%
Enmatters : TT return 97,71% - After sales 111,85%

ARK
No mining done

NI
No mining done

NEW from this month tracking what sold the best + what gave me most profit :

Sold most recources : Lyst and Melchi
Sold with most profit : Iron and Ares Powder


Global numbers on year basis

TT return 104,30% - After sales 118,79%

Year average is 25,65 ped profit / day
 
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A new year is approaching, and so I am making adjustments to my spreadsheet again.

I have also adjusted my way of mining.
In 2025, I will only mine with UNL finder to save MU.
Paying MU is always a loss.
Furthermore, I work as cheaply as possible with the [Transformer T-105] as refiner and the [Rookie Rock Ripper] as extractor, both available from time to time at a price any miner can afford and absolutely no big investment.
And of course other costs such as pets, pills, pre-amped, taxed area's ... are beyond me, but since I noticed I cannot keep up my filler stocks, I might try to experiment with some amps.
At least for now, because even though I sell in smaller stacks for higher MU, I've found this year that I can't keep certain fillers in stock enough in my stash and since amps give a much larger amount of fillers, I may try an amp from time to time. This will largely depend on the results.
To reach certain resources, I may sometimes use depth enhancers, but this is more of a rarity.
Here again, paying MU is a loss so I avoid this as much as possible only if the numbers are worth it.
It makes no sense to drive up your cost and then find a tiny/small % of rare resources or less in your return.

Meanwhile, my stock is mostly up to date, so my first goal now is to keep it that way and only mine what keeps my stock up.
My stock list is 0.10% / year of all resources sold on Caly, not counting Ark and NI yet.

My moto for 2025 : less is more, and by that I mean what doesn't sell I don't need to mine and especially low sales = less mining.
Of course there are resources that will come into my stock anyway that you don't really want, but that cannot always be avoided.

So I focus mainly on mining with certain finders in some area's, possibly with or without depth enhancers AND on resources on MU.
BTW : I'm still looking for more UNL finders but only @ a decend price, tiered is not neccesary.
Taking devaluation into account, I am never going to pay high prices, for a miner this is really not a must.

My results from January are therefore going to look completely different.
I cannot say it enough, but since the announcement of space mining, my results have been very different from the years before and it is very noticeable at auction. Selling for higher MU is where your profits come from and not from bulk sales.

Here's what to expect as an example and yes, you will see peds spend and %.
This way you can see you do not need to cycle huge numbers of peds and still make a nice profit.

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10107,502,15000,86490,50400,00111,018997,4000110,621287,73%99,64%
F-101172,003,44001,98781,19170,00178,6195230,3400262,6071128,96%147,02%
F-10298,002,25400,57180,63010,00101,4559105,6600125,4038104,14%123,60%
F-103155,504,50951,77000,83020,00162,6097153,5300175,198194,42%107,74%
F-104197,506,43851,59291,46000,00206,9914203,4100233,350698,27%112,73%
F-10599,504,07950,78000,55060,00104,910189,2800101,451285,10%96,70%
F-106202,007,26801,20541,33680,00211,8102197,1000227,129393,06%107,23%
1032,0030,13958,77286,50340,001077,41571076,72001235,7613
2,92%0,85%0,63%0,00%99,94%114,70%
Profit/Loss-0,6957158,3457


TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10200,00220,96990,00204,9699140,3300157,440568,46%76,81%
F-101116,001,16000,43000,79720,00118,3872132,8200147,6445112,19%124,71%
F-10267,000,77050,260,35620,0068,386773,920081,4601108,09%119,12%
F-103104,001,511,150,050,00106,70129,01142,02120,90%133,10%
F-10491,001,480,880,210,0093,5797,22108,06103,90%115,49%
F-105107,002,190,270,460,00109,92102,31114,6993,07%104,34%
F-106100,001,800,300,540,00102,6396,56107,3694,08%104,61%
785,0010,91435,293,37370,00804,5780772,1700858,6836
1,39%0,67%0,43%0,00%95,97%106,72%
Profit/Loss-32,408054,1056
 
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I've been mining exactly like you for couple of years now (on and off since I'm busy IRL and mining is really boring for longer period of time), I don't keep detailed logs, but I'm pretty sure I'm not even close to such TT returns. I wonder though how many mining strongboxes you looted ? Today I got 2 after probably like 10k probes dropped lol so I'm curious how common they are.
 
MartinXVI said:
I've been mining exactly like you for couple of years now (on and off since I'm busy IRL and mining is really boring for longer period of time), I don't keep detailed logs, but I'm pretty sure I'm not even close to such TT returns. I wonder though how many mining strongboxes you looted ? Today I got 2 after probably like 10k probes dropped lol so I'm curious how common they are.
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I loot them from time to time, mostly from ore mining but I'm really not interested in them and sell them to those that ask for them... cause you get like 99% crap out of them.
I do not even count the sales in my spreadsheet I'm getting from them, same for fruits, stones etc ...

EDIT : with detailed spreadsheets, it's easy to find the zones that are worth mining ;) and BTW I find hunting very boring :LOL:
 
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DECEMBER 2024

Today I am closing the 2024 financial year and starting next year with a completely new system so to see all the results with all different finders I use.

Also, my way of mining is going to be different and I am mainly talking about :

1 - Saving even more on MU. I will only mine with UL finders.
2 - For ores, I will occasionally mine with amp 1 in certain areas because my fillers still sell faster than I can mine ... even when selling above 108%-110% net ;)
3 - Depth enhancers are used only where it is really an advantage and that is very exceptional, again ... MU saving.

Other than that, I use the same material :

Finders : MD-10 and F-101 - F-102 - F-103 - F-104 - F-105 - F-106 - TM6
Refiner : T-105 to refine
Extractor : 3x Rookie Rock Ripper UNL

EDIT :
Forgot to mention my skills ... skills do not mean a thing ... only to use deeper finders for a tiny % of rare ores or another target you want.
Prospector : LVL 38
Surveyor : LVL 33
Treasure hunter : LVL 18

Caly

Ores : TT return 106,68% - After sales 121,68%
Enmatters : TT return 97,81% - After sales 113,83%

ARK
No mining done

NI
No mining done

As you can still see, the TT return for enm is below 100% ... and by mining with UNL finders this year only, I hope to raise this number.

For ores, you are always going to see 2 tables, 1 with and 1 without amp1 so I can make clear comparisons.

Again ... amps 1 are only used if needed like with the depth enhancers, so most MU is avoided but to keep my fillers stock up to date.


Tracking what sold the best + what gave me most profit :

Sold most recources : Lyst and Oil
Sold with most profit : Lyst and Ares Powder


Global numbers on year basis

TT return 104,30% - After sales 118,79%

Year average is 25,04 ped profit / day

And beyond that, I wish everyone a very healthy 2025 with lots of fun and lots of profits

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳​
 
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2025​


1/2 of januari 2025

Results of a complete fresh start after resetting all data, and with that, as always, a poor start in January in terms of returns and sales

This time just after 2 weeks of mining for 2 reasons.

The first reason is that a friendly UNamped miner got a vast claim worth +2300 ped.
Glad this happened because it shows that it is still possible to get these claims even if you go unamped mining.
Huge gz :)

The 2nd reason is in response to a question/discussion about the difference in costs (decay/refining) of ores/ enm because these costs double with enmatter

Less mining was done, due to bad results and slow sales.

Here we go

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10183,003,66001,01001,10130,00188,7713148,1100120,173378,46%63,66%
MD-10+450,001,460,020,211,2052,8929,9138,1556,55%72,13%
F-101139,002,78000,85000,95070,00143,5807136,6100161,186095,15%112,26%
F-101+479,001,580,260,471,2082,5185,23104,95103,30%127,20%
F-102184,504,24351,30181,60550,00191,6508317,0500369,5614165,43%192,83%
F-102+150,001,150,210,280,0051,6444,8258,4786,80%113,23%
F-103136,503,95850,96000,89030,00142,3088127,9000156,862189,87%110,23%
F-104215,007,00901,08001,34250,00224,4315181,6200228,444780,92%101,79%
F-105200,008,20000,78001,01630,00209,9963162,5200204,629777,39%97,44%
F-105+5
F-106150,008,91960,74000,86850,00160,5281142,2100126,754388,59%78,96%
TM 6
1387,0042,967,218,732,401448,301375,981569,18
95,77%3,10%0,52%0,63%0,17%95,01%108,35%
-72,32120,88Totall


TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10398,004,00002,48001,79180,00406,2718344,8500388,097484,88%95,53%
MD-10+4
F-101116,001,16000,43000,79720,00118,3872132,8200147,6445112,19%124,71%
F-101+4
F-102207,002,38050,30000,56430,00210,2448189,7000215,336590,23%102,42%
F-102+1
F-103204,003,31800,31000,56700,00208,1950157,5400182,919275,67%87,86%
F-104161,002,62430,30000,56980,00164,4941147,5800177,236689,72%107,75%
F-105228,004,67400,54000,95890,00234,1729205,9700229,804387,96%98,13%
F-105+571,001,28010,01000,07000,0072,360195,1300114,7228131,47%158,54%
F-106215,003,86790,32000,73260,00219,9205229,0900261,3851104,17%118,85%
TM 6200,005,32160,45000,88220,00206,6538170,0500198,762882,29%96,18%
1800,0028,635,146,930,001840,701672,731915,91
97,79%1,59%0,29%0,39%0,00%90,87%104,09%
-167,9775,21Totall


TotallsProbesFindersAmp 1T-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES+Amp1
MD-10329,003,2958,62581,03751,08220,00393,0355291,0800329,622174,06%83,87%
F-101101,001,010025,60080,35000,60820,00128,5690104,4960129,786581,28%100,95%
F-102107,001,230527,39290,88001,23840,00137,7418297,3300329,0486215,86%238,89%
F-10320,000,264,60810,12000,16710,0025,1617,9719,2571,43%76,52%
F-104175,001,2321,76070,47671,02470,00224,31196,58217,4887,64%96,95%
F-105194,003,9849,66560,80001,40000,00249,84261,58291,70104,70%116,76%
F-10695,001,7124,32080,36000,65480,00122,04122,96140,23100,75%114,90%
1021,0012,7101211,97464,02426,17540,001280,70201291,99601457,1208
79,72%0,99%16,55%0,31%0,48%0,00%100,88%113,78%
11,2940176,4188

All costsTT returnTT return + %Win/Loss
Enmatters1448,301375,981569,18120,88
Ores1840,701672,731915,9175,21
Ores + Amp 11280,701292,001457,12176,42
4569,704340,714942,21372,51
94,99%108,15%
 
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January 2025


And almost another month has passed ... and if sales do not improve again soon ... I'll wait and see ... mining makes absolutely no sense if you sell much less and have 60-70% fillers in your return.
All these fillers drive up costs and it is much harder to sell, except in bulk, but then you lose a lot of MU and that means much less profit.

Having said that ... here are this month's results and they are, as always in January, to cry about.

Best finder of the month

ENMATTERS

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10233,004,66001,29001,40270,00240,3527186,6500209,201377,66%87,04%
MD-10+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34119,01143,8776,12%92,02%
F-101189,003,78001,17001,28220,00195,2322177,0200206,825390,67%105,94%
F-101+350,001,000,230,250,0051,4843,4856,2384,46%109,23%
F-101+4129,002,580,270,811,20133,86128,05153,5695,66%114,72%
F-102184,504,24351,31001,59730,00191,6508310,6200362,2722162,08%189,03%
F-102+1135,003,110,800,940,00139,84124,14149,0788,77%106,60%
F-103236,506,85851,44001,46570,00246,2642202,0900240,972982,06%97,85%
F-104238,007,75881,25001,50690,00248,5157202,0900251,797681,32%101,32%
F-105250,0010,25001,13001,36420,00262,7442207,6800254,395679,04%96,82%
F-105+5
F-106155,509,11750,74000,91780,00166,2753163,5900172,571998,39%103,79%
TM 6
1950,5056,3510,2712,433,002032,551864,422200,77
95,96%2,89%0,53%0,64%0,15%91,73%108,28%
-168,13168,22

ORES

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10398,004,00002,48001,79180,00406,2718344,8500388,097484,88%95,53%
MD-10+4
F-101116,001,16000,43000,79720,00118,3872132,8200147,6445112,19%124,71%
F-101+3
F-101+4
F-102207,002,38050,30000,56430,00210,2448189,7000215,336590,23%102,42%
F-102+1
F-103204,003,31800,31000,56700,00208,1950157,5400182,919275,67%87,86%
F-104161,002,62430,30000,56980,00164,4941147,5800177,236689,72%107,75%
F-105228,004,67400,54000,95890,00234,1729205,9700229,804387,96%98,13%
F-105+571,001,28010,01000,07000,0072,360195,1300114,7228131,47%158,54%
F-106215,003,86790,32000,73260,00219,9205229,0900261,3851104,17%118,85%
TM 6200,005,32160,45000,88220,00206,6538170,0500198,762882,29%96,18%
1800,0028,635,146,930,001840,701672,731915,91
97,79%1,59%0,29%0,39%0,00%90,87%104,09%
-167,9775,21


Ores + AMP 1

TotallsProbesFindersAmp 1T-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES+Amp1
MD-10329,003,2958,62581,03751,08220,00393,0355291,0800329,622174,06%83,87%
F-101101,001,010025,60080,35000,60820,00128,5690104,4960129,786581,28%100,95%
F-102202,002,323051,71361,18001,73160,00258,9482281,6100314,0636108,75%121,28%
F-10320,000,264,60810,12000,16710,0025,1617,9719,2571,43%76,52%
F-104175,001,2321,76070,47671,02470,00224,31196,58215,7987,64%96,20%
F-105194,003,9849,66560,80001,40000,00249,84261,58291,70104,70%116,76%
F-10695,001,7124,32080,36000,65480,00122,04122,96140,23100,75%114,90%
TM 6100,002,0525,60080,43000,66300,00128,74108,40118,5784,20%92,10%
1216,0015,85261,904,757,330,001530,651384,681559,02
79,44%1,04%17,11%0,31%0,48%0,00%90,46%101,85%
-145,976228,3653


Summary of January

All costsTT returnTT return + %Win/Loss
Enmatters2032,551864,422200,77168,22
Ores1840,701672,731915,9175,21
Ores + Amp 11530,651384,681559,0228,37
5403,914921,835675,70271,79
91,08%105,03%

Although I can't complain because I still made a profit, only about 50% of what I normally have.
But then again, I started mining less because of very slow sales.

Hope next month will be better again.
 
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February 2025

The month when space mining was launched.

For me personally, this made no difference, and still I'm not interested.
In my humble oppinion, once you start paying MU your profit drops.

What I did find interesting are the shifts in ore prices in particular due to space mining.

So I spent the first 3 weeks almost not mining to follow this up, and only occasionally mined some enmatters but certainly no ores.
You can now clearly see which ores are going to rise more and which are going to fall in MU in my opinion.

Anyway, the monthly results now and that is weak because I have started mining a lot less but as always end up positive anyway.
Also sales were very slow the first 3 weeks, therefore less mining.

Best finder of the month


Enmatters

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10265,504,66001,29001,40270,00272,8527219,0300282,683480,27%103,60%
MD-10+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34119,01143,8776,12%92,02%
F-101239,004,78001,39001,78080,00246,9508213,7900249,353286,57%100,97%
F-101+350,001,000,230,250,0051,4843,4856,2384,46%109,23%
F-101+4129,002,580,270,811,20133,86128,05153,5695,66%114,72%
F-102234,505,39351,55001,86030,00243,3038343,8400400,2869141,32%164,52%
F-102+1135,003,110,800,940,00139,84124,14149,0788,77%106,60%
F-103286,508,30851,68001,75060,00298,2391243,3900288,503381,61%96,74%
F-104288,009,38881,52001,79460,00300,7034240,1100295,321079,85%98,21%
F-104+4
F-105250,0010,25001,13001,36420,00262,7442207,6800254,393279,04%96,82%
F-105+5
F-106155,509,11750,74000,91780,00166,2753163,5900172,585698,39%103,80%
F-106 +1
TM 6
2183,0061,5811,2413,763,002272,592046,112445,86
96,06%2,82%0,51%0,63%0,14%90,03%107,62%
-226,48173,27

ORES

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10462,004,64003,07002,64660,00472,3566466,4000517,342098,74%109,52%
MD-10+4
F-101116,001,16000,43000,79720,00118,3872132,8200146,8496112,19%124,04%
F-101+3
F-101+4
F-102307,003,53050,53000,94790,00312,0084264,9600294,645784,92%94,44%
F-102+1
F-103217,003,50650,34000,63000,00221,4765175,4900197,856179,24%89,34%
F-104318,005,18340,96001,56160,00325,7050304,1400342,258093,38%105,08%
F-104+4176,003,220,260,240,00179,72166,4500196,704192,61%109,45%
F-105394,008,07700,94001,67120,00404,6882364,4700402,784690,06%99,53%
F-105+5419,007,67310,55660,77413,60431,6038419,8700487,641098,28%114,52%
F-106384,006,90820,80001,59570,00393,3039380,9400424,025096,86%107,81%
F-106 +1188,0013,401,161,650,60204,8072377,2700432,0404184,21%210,95%
TM 6595,0018,09342,64563,20280,00618,9418613,0800693,579999,05%112,06%
3576,0075,3911,7015,724,203683,003665,894135,73
97,09%2,11%0,33%0,44%0,12%99,54%112,29%
-17,11452,72

Ores + amp 1
As some might have noticed ... the amount of fillers went up so no need to use amps.

TotallsProbesFindersAmp 1T-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES+Amp1
MD-10329,003,2958,62581,03751,08220,00393,0355291,0800324,308274,06%82,51%
F-101101,001,010025,60080,35000,60820,00128,5690104,4960129,355281,28%100,61%
F-102202,002,323051,71361,18001,73160,00258,9482281,6100312,1971108,75%120,56%
F-10320,000,264,60810,12000,16710,0025,156217,970019,249571,43%76,52%
F-104175,001,2321,76070,47671,02470,00224,3123196,5800215,258887,64%95,96%
F-105194,003,9849,66560,80001,40000,00249,8426261,5800289,7693104,70%115,98%
F-106195,003,0549,92160,56000,65480,00249,1884122,9600139,118849,34%55,83%
TM 6100,002,0525,60080,43000,66300,00128,7438108,4000118,392584,20%91,96%
1316,0017,20287,504,957,330,001657,79611384,681547,65
79,38%1,04%17,34%0,30%0,44%0,00%83,53%93,36%
-273,1200-110,1467


Summery for 2025 so far

All costsTT returnTT return + %Win/Loss
Enmatters2272,592046,112445,86173,27
Ores3683,003665,894135,73452,72
Ores + Amp 11657,801384,681547,65-110,15
Totall profit 2025 (2 months)7613,397096,688129,23515,85
93,21%106,78%
Last month's profit271,79
Profit this month (1 week of mining)244,06


As you can see, mining is still ok if you mine very specifically for certain ores.
The ones I mean ... I'm sure you'll find out, no spoilers this time ;)
And the fillers ... adjusting stacks and prices for sales was a must for me.

Enjoy !!!
 
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Good to see you're still going this strong! :D
Keep it up and I may see you soon again m8.
 
March 2025

This month, I will let the numbers speak for themselves.

As a miner, I want to drop as many probes as possible, but of course the resources obtained have to be sold, at some profit of course, and let that be the problem more than once because there is NO ECONOMY ANYMORE.

If you keep getting only 65-80% TT return you cannot keep surviving ...
If those resources you get, also make up 80-90% fillers (without amps) then mining stops.

Then I need weeks to sell all those fillers in small stacks with a high % to still break even because there is almost no buying, only if you give it away almost for free.

And this is exactly where the problem lies, everyone wants to keep mining/hunting/crafter but there are no buyers, so just put it on auction at dumping prices and keep doing depo's and keep loosing more.
So I spend the entire time I'm online at the auction selling/trading and in the meantime I'm at home working or playing something else.

Once my pedcard is positive again after sales/trade, I mine again ... for a maximum of 50/100 ped and I'll be at the auction again until I'm positive again ...
Doing mining runs for 100 ped or 1000 ped runs ... doesn't make any differences, multipliers became very rare.
Most of my profit comes from trading now.

This is survival mode and no fun anymore

Enmatters
TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10265,504,66001,29001,40270,00272,8527219,0300282,683480,27%103,60%
MD-10+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34119,01134,7076,12%86,16%
F-101239,004,781,391,780,00246,95213,7900235,935186,57%95,54%
F-101+350,001,000,230,250,0051,4843,4851,8184,46%100,64%
F-101+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34128,05141,2981,91%90,37%
F-102234,505,391,551,860,00243,30343,8400395,0506141,32%162,37%
F-102+1135,003,110,800,940,00139,84124,14135,4988,77%96,89%
F-103286,508,311,681,750,00298,24243,3900275,903481,61%92,51%
F-104288,009,391,521,790,00300,70240,1100290,411979,85%96,58%
F-104+4
F-104+7
F-105250,0010,25001,13001,36420,00262,7442207,6800228,746279,04%87,06%
F-105+5
F-106155,509,11750,74000,91780,00166,2753163,5900166,531198,39%100,15%
F-106 +1
TM 6
TM6 + 2
2204,0062,0011,6113,853,602295,072046,112338,56
96,03%2,81%0,53%0,63%0,16%89,15%101,89%
-248,9643,49
Ores
TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10462,004,643,072,650,00472,3566466,4000521,712998,74%110,45%
MD-10+4
F-101331,003,310,921,640,00336,8655329,4300370,466397,79%109,97%
F-101+3
F-101+4
F-102307,003,530,530,950,00312,0084264,9600295,751484,92%94,79%
F-102+1
F-103284,004,480,481,010,00289,9633316,4600355,4420109,14%122,58%
F-104386,006,29181,14001,87390,00395,3057366,2600416,069592,65%105,25%
F-104+4176,003,220,260,240,00179,72166,4500197,528392,61%109,91%
F-104+799,001,610,030,150,00100,7980,590095,782879,96%95,03%
F-105594,0012,17701,24002,32600,00609,7430545,3400608,862589,44%99,86%
F-105+5634,0012,08060,78661,36036,60654,8275629,2900727,713198,28%115,31%
F-106602,0010,83001,11002,22580,00616,1658566,5700634,451291,95%102,97%
F-106 +1288,0015,201,191,830,60306,8115377,2700547,5723122,96%178,47%
TM 6695,0023,41502,83563,58910,00724,8397714,5700816,885198,58%112,70%
TM6 + 2100,005,32160,03000,13700,00105,488661,370068,220758,18%64,67%
4958,00106,1013,6319,967,205104,894884,965656,46
97,12%2,14%0,27%0,40%0,15%95,69%110,80%
-219,93551,57

Ores + amp 1

TotallsProbesFindersAmp 1T-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES+Amp1
MD-10329,003,2958,62581,03751,08220,00393,0355291,0800323,955074,06%82,42%
F-101101,001,010025,60080,35000,60820,00128,5690104,4960130,067981,28%101,17%
F-102202,002,323051,71361,18001,73160,00258,9482281,6100311,6749108,75%120,36%
F-10320,000,264,60810,12000,16710,0025,156217,970019,249571,43%76,52%
F-104175,001,2321,76070,47671,02470,00224,3123196,5800186,675787,64%83,22%
F-105194,003,9849,66560,80001,40000,00249,8426261,5800291,0791104,70%116,50%
F-106195,003,0549,92160,56000,65480,00249,1884122,9600139,545249,34%56,00%
TM 6100,002,0525,60080,43000,66300,00128,7438108,400099,462784,20%77,26%
1316,0017,20287,504,957,330,001657,801384,681501,71
79,38%1,04%17,34%0,30%0,44%0,00%83,53%90,58%
-273,1200-156,0861


Profit/loss after 3 months and only 9057 ped probes, it's hilarious


All costsTT returnTT return + %Win/Loss
Enmatters2295,072046,112338,5643,49
Ores5104,894884,965656,46551,57
Ores + Amp 11657,801384,681501,71-156,09
Profit/Loss9057,768315,759496,73438,97
91,81%104,85%
 
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Leeloo Miner said:
there is NO ECONOMY ANYMORE
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You're not wrong there. I have been saving up 1000s of ped of each rare hoping MA turns their brain on soon. Can't sell anything anymore unless it's absolute lowest on the list and even only 1/3rd of those auctions go thru (before space i'd put it on like 4th page and would 9/10 sell). They absolutely killed mining with same ores in space its sad. Once space mining finishes grinding rest of MU into dust maybe they'll take action. 1 can hope. Good luck on the trading.
 
Game over!
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
You're not wrong there. I have been saving up 1000s of ped of each rare hoping MA turns their brain on soon. Can't sell anything anymore unless it's absolute lowest on the list and even only 1/3rd of those auctions go thru (before space i'd put it on like 4th page and would 9/10 sell). They absolutely killed mining with same ores in space its sad. Once space mining finishes grinding rest of MU into dust maybe they'll take action. 1 can hope. Good luck on the trading.
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What I mainly notice is that I always find the same resources sell slightly better (fillers) while the more hard-to-find resources in the mid-layers have a very small ‘window of opportunity’ to sell.

That's why I check the auction at least 3 times / day although it still sometimes goes wrong.

Especially on weekends, I don't check as much because then there are also the weekend miners and undercutters taking down MUs, best time to buy very cheap
 
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I always read your reports being them clear and well organized
and i have just one question that i introduce with a premise:

- You stated that you aim at cheapest way to go
- I consider time to extract as value being it part of the process so the faster the better

here is the question
you use 3x Rookie excavators
they have 6 eff and 2189.8 eff/pec

a NI TT excavator (Exumer MK1)
is faster 6.8
and more eco 2266.7

eff per second is 2.15 vs 1.70 too so its about 26.5% faster to extract nodes

am i missing something? or you did simply not consider it?
 
Msturlese said:
I always read your reports being them clear and well organized
and i have just one question that i introduce with a premise:

- You stated that you aim at cheapest way to go
- I consider time to extract as value being it part of the process so the faster the better

here is the question
you use 3x Rookie excavators
they have 6 eff and 2189.8 eff/pec

a NI TT excavator (Exumer MK1)
is faster 6.8
and more eco 2266.7

eff per second is 2.15 vs 1.70 too so its about 26.5% faster to extract nodes

am i missing something? or you did simply not consider it?
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Thank you for the nice reply :)

You got me there :oops:

I do have the [Exhumer Mk1] also

I do not check eff that much ... mostly only decay, my fault indeed.

For me, time spent mining plays no role, have even considered the RT extractor (L) but then only for higher TT resources.
Now that I'm mining even less, time is even less of an issue for me but ofc the decay/eff is.

But I take your advice wholeheartedly, and will use the [Exhumer Mk1] back more from now on.


Thank you !!!
 
Leeloo Miner said:
Thank you for the nice reply :)

You got me there :oops:

I do have the [Exhumer Mk1] also

I do not check eff that much ... mostly only decay, my fault indeed.

For me, time spent mining plays no role, have even considered the RT extractor (L) but then only for higher TT resources.
Now that I'm mining even less, time is even less of an issue for me but ofc the decay/eff is.

But I take your advice wholeheartedly, and will use the [Exhumer Mk1] back more from now on.


Thank you !!!
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Aw ya exhumer is great for eco n cheap it's basically free to tier up since it's from TT too and once youre up to T5 it flies grabbing ores while not burning many enhancers either ... I used it for long time .. if u wanna really save pecs if u feel it's burning 2 many enhancers could carry 2 and just use 1 with no enhancers on expensive ores iron,duru etc n just use tiered on oil,lyst etc.
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
Aw ya exhumer is great for eco n cheap it's basically free to tier up since it's from TT too and once youre up to T5 it flies grabbing ores while not burning many enhancers either ... I used it for long time .. if u wanna really save pecs if u feel it's burning 2 many enhancers could carry 2 and just use 1 with no enhancers on expensive ores iron,duru etc n just use tiered on oil,lyst etc.
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Great, mine is already @ T 2,81 and I was tiering my 3x [Rookie Rock Ripper] also
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
Aw ya exhumer is great for eco n cheap it's basically free to tier up since it's from TT too and once you're up to T5 it flies grabbing ores while not burning many enhancers either... I used it for long time... if u want to really save pecs if u feel it's burning 2 many enhancers could carry 2 and just use 1 with no enhancers on expensive ores iron, duru etc n just use tiered on oil, lyst etc.
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Yeah, T4-5 Exhumer is OP when used with speed enhs.
 
April 2025

Wow, what a month ... at some point I was getting returns like 55-60 % ...
I had seen this years before and therefore expected an ATH to fall for someone.
Since my returns were so bad, I stopped mining for 2-3 weeks to limit the damage, once the ATH dropped I returned mining again.

Sales are slowly getting better, but not like they used to be, so less mining ...

No need to use amps anymore, as you already get lots of fillers, I do not need more.

So here the results

Enmatters

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10380,506,96001,40001,88480,00390,7448352,54430,235790,22%110,11%
MD-10+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34119,01134,7076,12%86,16%
F-101259,005,181,541,820,00267,54230,77255,149486,25%95,37%
F-101+350,001,000,230,250,0051,4843,4851,8184,46%100,64%
F-101+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34128,05141,2981,91%90,37%
F-102328,007,541,952,310,00339,80481,25485,3804141,63%142,84%
F-102+1135,003,110,800,940,00139,84124,14135,4988,77%96,89%
F-103419,5012,171,882,290,00435,83350,27420,033080,37%96,37%
F-104367,0011,961,531,800,00382,30335,83400,689587,84%104,81%
F-104+4
F-104+7
F-105422,9317,11751,47002,18600,00443,7044403,51441,719990,94%99,55%
F-105+5
F-106255,5012,71551,02001,40270,00270,6382248,10263,115991,67%97,22%
F-106 +1
TM 6
TM6 + 2
ProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+Sales
2917,4383,7513,1016,683,603034,562816,953159,62
96,14%2,87%0,45%0,57%0,12%92,83%104,12%
-217,61125,05

Ores

ORES
MD-10462,004,643,072,650,00472,3566466,40518,652998,74%109,80%
MD-10+4
F-101431,004,311,121,990,00438,4189401,46448,810391,57%102,37%
F-101+3
F-101+4
F-102407,004,680,721,220,00413,6169319,80353,847477,32%85,55%
F-102+1
F-103284,004,480,481,010,00289,9633316,46349,9587109,14%120,69%
F-104664,0010,82321,68003,07390,00679,5771743,41831,1344109,39%122,30%
F-104+4176,003,220,260,240,00179,72166,45186,819892,61%103,95%
F-104+799,001,610,030,150,00100,7980,5997,261879,96%96,50%
F-1051271,0025,22981,97484,13150,001302,33611301,991446,775399,97%111,09%
F-105+51003,0019,15361,43662,60689,001035,1970970,481095,958695,92%108,22%
F-1061438,0025,57502,05004,46410,001470,08911354,341515,800992,13%103,11%
F-106 +1288,0015,201,191,830,60306,8115377,27542,2079122,96%176,72%
TM 6895,0034,05823,14934,12060,00936,3281879,23985,209093,90%105,22%
TM6 + 1100,005,32160,03000,13700,00105,488661,3769,835758,18%66,20%
ProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+Sales
7518,00158,3017,2027,619,607730,707439,258442,27
97,25%2,11%0,23%0,37%0,13%96,23%109,20%
-291,45711,57

Totals after 4-month mining

As many keep asking me what my mining lvls are ... I'll post them also to show you, you do not need high skills to make profit.
Also, using cheap or expensive gear (as I already said decade(s) ago) does not make a difference.
NOT paying MU on gear, and only use depth enh when you need to, makes a huge difference.
As you can see in the returns for every finder, they are about the same.

LevelAll costsTT returnTT return %TT return + %TT return + %Win/Loss
Surveyor33Enmatters3034,562816,9592,83%3159,62104,12%125,05
Prospector38Ores7730,707439,2596,23%8442,27109,20%711,57
Profit/Loss10765,2610256,2095,27%11601,89107,77%836,63
95,27%107,77%
 
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May 2025

Apparently, mining has now stabilised for me because my returns have become very stable.

At the end of the month, sales also increased a bit so finally some more mining again instead of 1 hour/day.

Therefore, having to mine more ores to keep my stock up my How to stock/sell is now at 0.21% of the total amount for 1 month.

Owke, here we go.

Best finders

Enmatters

TotallsProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ENMATTER
MD-10380,506,96001,40001,88480,00390,7448352,54400,895590,22%102,60%
MD-10+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34119,01144,3676,12%92,34%
F-101259,005,181,541,820,00267,54230,77269,292086,25%100,65%
F-101+350,001,000,230,250,0051,4843,4856,4784,46%109,69%
F-101+4150,003,000,640,901,80156,34128,05154,2281,91%98,65%
F-102378,008,692,262,670,00391,63527,70546,7985134,75%139,62%
F-102+1135,003,110,800,940,00139,84124,14149,8188,77%107,12%
F-103462,0013,401,994,250,00481,64568,42687,0570118,02%142,65%
F-104383,0012,491,572,050,00399,11364,11457,307391,23%114,58%
F-104+4
F-104+7
F-105422,9317,11751,47002,18600,00443,7044403,51467,059090,94%105,26%
F-105+5
F-106255,5012,71551,02001,40270,00270,6382248,10319,923091,67%118,21%
F-106 +1
TM 6
TM6 + 1
TM6 + 2
ProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+Sales
3025,9386,6613,5619,263,603149,013109,833653,19
96,09%2,86%0,45%0,64%0,12%98,76%116,01%
-39,18504,19


Ores

ProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+SalesTT returnTT+Sales
ORES
MD-10462,004,643,072,650,00472,3566466,40518,652998,74%109,80%
MD-10+4
F-101531,005,311,362,310,00539,9849473,59531,319587,70%98,40%
F-101+3
F-101+4
F-101 + 7100,001,000,290,500,00101,7992,65101,6791,02%99,88%
F-102516,005,931,181,890,00525,0071431,19478,617482,13%91,16%
F-102+1
F-102+4100,001,450,200,340,60102,5973,3283,1471,47%81,04%
F-103494,007,521,542,080,00505,1478637,41709,9530126,18%140,54%
F-103+5223,004,350,550,930,00228,83180,80200,6679,01%87,69%
F-104981,0015,99032,34004,23550,001003,56581042,471163,7150103,88%115,96%
F-104+4176,003,220,260,240,00179,72166,45186,819892,61%103,95%
F-104+7594,009,681,302,402,40609,78662,38621,6793108,63%101,95%
F-1051525,0030,43682,35484,89310,001562,68471506,701665,313296,42%106,57%
F-105+51527,0029,89563,26665,02069,601574,78281487,961614,707295,92%108,22%
F-1061866,0033,27472,61005,56080,001907,44551683,601866,518388,26%97,85%
F-106 +1390,0017,031,572,401,20412,2018377,27664,035891,53%161,09%
TM 61124,0046,24473,46934,74800,001178,46201079,721241,740291,62%105,37%
TM6 +1300,0010,64320,20000,62731,20312,6705242,59267,219177,59%85,46%
TM6 +231,001,650,250,410,0033,3167,5180,98202,65%243,09%
ProbesFindersT-105RRREnhTotall pedsTT returnTT+Sales
10940,00228,2725,8241,2615,0011250,3410672,0111996,74
97,24%2,09%0,24%0,38%0,14%94,86%106,63%
-578,33746,40

Totall after 5 months

Not yet the 25 ped/day like previous years, but the year is not over yet

LevelAll costsTT returnTT return %TT return + %TT return + %Win/LossProfit/day
Surveyor33Enmatters3149,013109,8398,76%3653,19116,01%504,193,34
Prospector38Ores11250,3410672,0194,86%11996,74106,63%746,404,94
Profit/Loss14399,3513781,8495,71%15649,94108,69%1250,598,28
95,71%108,69%

Fillers

And from now on, I also track the amount of fillers in my returns, and as you can see, unamped this isn't too bad.

I was expecting something like 50% overall, but so far I'm staying below that (41,82%), due to using certain and lower finders depending where I mine and still get what I want.

FillersAzzurditeBlausCumbrizIronLystNiksarium
Totall ped127,341126,04497,47671,841666,38373,75
% In return1,19%10,55%4,66%6,30%15,61%3,50%

Mining is fun again !!!​
 
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Forgot to add ENM fillers

This gives you a completely different perspective versus ores

Melchi can be avoided but NOT oil.

FillersGrowthMelchiOil
Totall ped227,01700,111858,46
% In return7,30%22,51%59,76%89,57%

TT-ing or cubing growth can be an option but not for melchi and oil, cause those can be sold +110% (net) easy therefore I mine single drop all the time and mine less enmatter.
 
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Thanks for keeping this alive, it is a good read.

I really, really would like to give mining a serious go but it is so boring. I noticed there are some spots on Cyrene where the average markup is very high even with F101 and it would be very much possible if I don't flood the market. Any tips for making it more fun?
 
WhiningSkeptic said:
Thanks for keeping this alive, it is a good read.

I really, really would like to give mining a serious go but it is so boring. I noticed there are some spots on Cyrene where the average markup is very high even with F101 and it would be very much possible if I don't flood the market. Any tips for making it more fun?
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As long as my pedcard likes it, I keep mining the same way ;) even if its boring.

Besides, sales are still slow with mostly low MU, so selling less and only mining about 1 hour a day.

No sales = no mining. Slow sales = slow mining.
 
on Cyrene you can have all missions opened to make mining fun....
1. arc training green crystal (soldier) and yellow crystal (robot)
2. headquarters blue crystals
3. immigration Tnahok zorn ore and zorn ingot (under the tent)
4. immigration Zyn bonding liquid (refijned from mining) and zorn ore
5. deliver Kaisenite to tans.ta on (quest terminal island)

are the first i reemember. they give you some mission token or arc badges. (few pieces will reawrd you 16 badges at zyn
 
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