my noob review of EU after ~3 Month playing

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i like to share my thoughts about EU:
its a nice game i used ~200€ in that 3 Month i have 900 ped on card left and about 600-700 ped stuff for sale and here is the problem with this game imo:
there way to less buyers
one bad example is Lanorium Ingot i cannot get it sold since 3.5 days for buyout 101.78% not even a bid for 100.62%

[Deleted this portion for violating the rules]... thats the nice part of this game, money is not lost when u stop playing like other games... here u can cash out

another problem i have is loosing money that often last times: hunting many times only 50% return... mining is bit better but got some losses too...

i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now i´m thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.

its a casino dressed as a mmo game, and we all know "the house always wins"

last words ^^ if u have some money u want to loose EU is the right game for u

greetings from Germany and wish u all fun and some nice HoFs
looks like i have to start cooking again :p

OT i have some pills left i need to sell
17x [NutriStim 10mg]
10x[AccuStim 10mg]
10x[HyperStim 10mg]
5x [DevaStim 10mg]
normal price is 6 ped, i want to sell them fast i can offer 5.8 ped... if u buy all we can make 5.7
and 10x [NutriStim 5mg] if u buy all its 2.2 ped each
 
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In response to the OP, considering you depo'd around 2100 ped and you still have 1500 - 1600 ped left, during your game play of 3 months you have lost 500 ped which is around 45 Euros which is 15 Euros a month. This is a very small cost to play. In recent years the game has been changed to make it cheaper for new players to start off (which was always a major complaint for new player retention).

Regarding your 50% returns on hunting, this could be down to a number of issues :

1. Are you using the correct weapon for your level. What level are you ? Using a weapon above your level will give poor returns.
2. What mobs are you hunting. Again as in point 1. if you hunt mobs that are too large then you will not see stable returns. MA state that average returns should be around 95%. Most players I know and I myself agree that it is probably between 80% and 90%. Loot returns come in waves so to hit these figures you need to cycle a considerable amount of ped. Probably you have not cycled enough for your returns to even out.

Regarding Mining Sales.

1. It is not normally recommended that new players mine as the bank role required to mine enough of any 1 resource to make enough of a stack for a profitable sale is quite high.
2. The market for resources like the rest of the game is dynamic and fluctuates. This week alone has seen a reduction in the price of a number of items which normally have stable Mark Up. You may have just tried to sell at the wrong time. Seasonal variations affect Auction prices as well.

This game is not for everyone, it seems to appeal to a more mature player base, there are very few young players who stay as the skill progression takes years not weeks. There is no end game but players are considered UBER when they reach level 100 in a profession. After 7 years playing almost daily I am only at level 66. I have a friend who is retired and spends most of his time in game on a daily basis and spends a considerable amount each month and even after 6 years he is only level 72.

I am in no way trying to dismiss your comments and the game needs to retain new players but having said that, this is a long game and you will need to commit time and money to progress. I budget my game play at £100 per month, I occasionally deposit more if I have a particular plan for the month but I try to stay within my budget. Note that if I hunt at my maximum level that £100 can be gone in as little as 2 days. I mix my game play up, I try to use all the items I loot or mine to craft basic items that I can sell at a small profit.

Note on Withdrawal - I believe that the minimum that you can withdraw is $100 and this can take up to 3 months to go through to your bank account.

Last comment, give it a little more time, you may be surprised, I am still learning things everyday.

Regards

Moondog
 

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i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now i´m thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.
You want to play the game to earn money, not to lose them.Losing them is part of the game, you have to lose to earn later on.Its more like a commitment in order for you to get to the top.
This is not like any other MMO where you gradually earn peds day by day until you get to the top.Here is exactly the other way around.You start with super huge bankroll and then you buy time so you can eventually later on after many years you get steady income and nobody can stop you.Here you are your own boss and you play/work as much as you want without anyone to limit your ability to EARN money.
its a casino dressed as a mmo game, and we all know "the house always wins"
House must always win , thats the condition for this game to exist.Most people have their brain stop working at that phrase alone but think about it for a second.This is a super large poker tournament where house get their rake %.If you are super competent and beat everyone around you can feed the house and at the end you get your own revenue.No one can stop you to achieve your goals if you have any.

Testing the game to see how it goes for a few months investing some peddies is not bad.But the overall picture is far more complex this is the reason most people give up early stages and I don't blame them.
I give given up on movies I actually hate the first 45 minutes to figure out after years that they are one of the most attractive if you have the will to endure.

Good luck
 

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thanks for the replies

ur right i lost not much money but i lost some and if i think i would be unlucky and not get some globals it would be much more loss

Code:
Growth Molecules	74 PED	Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:15:11
 	Caldorite Stone	52 PED	Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:33:50
 	Ares Head	380 PED	Tue, 03 Sep 2019 21:12:10
	Copper Stone	271 PED	Sun, 18 Aug 2019 12:17:20
 	Iron Stone	58 PED	Sat, 17 Aug 2019 15:39:33
 	Cobalt Stone	50 PED	Sat, 03 Aug 2019 10:24:00
i think 2x ~50 ped is missing when i was hell mining on RT... the 271 ped was hell too... all other globals was on caly i think

another point i forgot to tell is that i have a high risk of addiction... i even took 100€ from my bitcoin wallet which is very empty (under 0.5 BTC) no work at the moment is another problem, money is very low

very lucky i found a good mentor who explained me the basics very good i think... when i was hunting i only use weapons where i do max dmg interval

my highest level is 14 in laser sniper & lvl 11 ranged laser (dmg)

i already mostly quit hunting some weeks ago because losses all time... then i tryed only doing the daily argonaut cave... going in with 50 ped and mostly all time i get out with 20-30 ped... 1 global i had there and got a little plus

Code:
Argonaut Young	38 PED	Tue, 03 Sep 2019 10:18:00
 	Caudatergus Puny	5 PED	Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:09:59
 	Combibo Old	23 PED	Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:19:13
 	Caudatergus Puny	9 PED	Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:31:07
 	Caudatergus Puny	8 PED	Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:44:31
 	Snablesnot Female Young	5 PED	Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:37:41
as u can see nearly no luck when hunting

i have no hurry in gettling lvl 100 or near to it... i learned so far that higher mobs or bigger amps in mining can make u big loss in no time if unlucky... i don´t want to try it because i don´t want loose much... if the bitcoin goes to 1KK i can spend some k ped without thinking about it ;)

gtg some hours afk see u later
 

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thanks for the replies

ur right i lost not much money but i lost some and if i think i would be unlucky and not get some globals it would be much more loss
i get so mad when ppls blame everything on luck

There are cycles and sometimes your recover less but long term you get at same % return.

Also one more thing someone who knows what he is doing won't share. So you were put just in wrong directions.
 

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You want to play the game to earn money, not to lose them.Losing them is part of the game, you have to lose to earn later on.Its more like a commitment in order for you to get to the top.
This is not like any other MMO where you gradually earn peds day by day until you get to the top.Here is exactly the other way around.You start with super huge bankroll and then you buy time so you can eventually later on after many years you get steady income and nobody can stop you.Here you are your own boss and you play/work as much as you want without anyone to limit your ability to EARN money.


House must always win , thats the condition for this game to exist.Most people have their brain stop working at that phrase alone but think about it for a second.This is a super large poker tournament where house get their rake %.If you are super competent and beat everyone around you can feed the house and at the end you get your own revenue.No one can stop you to achieve your goals if you have any.

Testing the game to see how it goes for a few months investing some peddies is not bad.But the overall picture is far more complex this is the reason most people give up early stages and I don't blame them.
I give given up on movies I actually hate the first 45 minutes to figure out after years that they are one of the most attractive if you have the will to endure.

Good luck
This one way to look at it.
You can do it messi style, meaning, you have a HUGE money investment to go sky high and hope to make that money back in the future. That way you're lvl 100 in 1 or 2 years. (just be prepared to mortgage your house :tongue2:)

Or you can do it like the majority of the playerbase taking it a little bit slower with a much smaller starting amount.
There are many ways for a starter to play very cheap and skill up.
Just don't aim to high.
Start with smaller mobs. Maybe swunting (sweating and then killing the mob).
Or maybe trade to make some ped back.
Or with small deposits every now and then.

you gotto know that the system evens out your luck a bit over a large number of mobs.
Generally on the long term you will get around 90~95% back. Sometimes higher of you get a decent hof or so.
If you can arrange to sell some of your loot at more than TT value, you can recover some (or sometimes all) your losses.
It means playing smart.
But to play smart you need to know the game. Just don't expect to know the game in a few months.
I've been here nearly 15 years and am still learning new things.
Some have been here even longer and are still losing their pants with everything they do.

Major problem that most people have is "expectations that are set way to high".
Expect to lose, unless you've found your way for a steady income, one way or another.
I can assure you, it's possible. Many were successful before, but also many have failed miserably.

Can you challenge yourself to beat the system? ;)
 

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i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now i´m thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.
I just watched some guy spend 300$ or more cuz it was in pounds for new fifa . Can you explain to me whit two words what he gained cuz i am complete mooron and have no idea . Thanks in advance
 

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here is the problem with this game imo:
there way to less buyers
one bad example is Lanorium Ingot i cannot get it sold since 3.5 days for buyout 101.78% not even a bid for 100.62%
The buyers are not some mysterious aliens from Alpha Centauri and not even undercover agents of ZOG, they're people just like you and me; well, in many cases people with less patience.

Stuff that is easy to get is often hard to sell, unless it is consumed in huge quantities, in which case buyers just buy your time.

People pay MU for things they are unable to obtain themselves, do not know where and how to obtain, or lack patience to obtain; the latter is the same case of buying time and such things usually command relatively little MU.

There are hundreds of people with lots of patience, often with too much patience (see the nearest sweat circle); hence, patience alone doesn't bring much profit. It's ability and knowledge that can put one ahead of the competition.

Or tl;dr: X doesn't sell? Find where and how to obtain Y that sells.
 

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The buyers are not some mysterious aliens from Alpha Centauri and not even undercover agents of ZOG, they're people just like you and me; well, in many cases people with less patience.

Stuff that is easy to get is often hard to sell, unless it is consumed in huge quantities, in which case buyers just buy your time.

People pay MU for things they are unable to obtain themselves, do not know where and how to obtain, or lack patience to obtain; the latter is the same case of buying time and such things usually command relatively little MU.

There are hundreds of people with lots of patience, often with too much patience (see the nearest sweat circle); hence, patience alone doesn't bring much profit. It's ability and knowledge that can put one ahead of the competition.

Or tl;dr: X doesn't sell? Find where and how to obtain Y that sells.

Or there is bugger all to craft!

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my advice before throwing any more money into this game, get a mentor, join a big soc like nbk or guess who. With a lot experienced players. They will help you get a better idea and might know some buyers. If you want to learn about mining read leeloos mining guilde https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?297826-Leeloo-s-Mining-Guide, dont do under ground intill you skills, experience and bank roll. If you want to know about hunning PmM messi, he always willing to help. ;)
 

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Well it's normal that you lose money, to be honest, that's the game. You are entertained and you pay for it. Winning is more or more often a small refund of your lost money.

Later in the game, if you have more skills and can kill the event mobs, you have the chance to get the big globals or hofs, but that is also a risk. The more valuable the mob the greater the likely profit.

A very good way to earn money to play is to buy land shares, but you have to invest several thousand euros. You get your peds every day or every week, and it does not really matter if you lose them in the game or not, because it's your dividend you lose..


In German:

Nun es ist normal das du Geld verlierst, um ehrlich zu sein, das macht das Spiel aus. Du wirst entertaint und dafür bezahlst du. Das gewinnen ist mehr oder meistens eine kleine rückzahlung deines verlorenen Geldes.

Später im laufes des Spiels wenn du mehr skills hast und die event gegner töten kannst, hast du die chance preise abzugreifen, aber auch das ist mit einem risiko verbunden. Desto wertvoller der mob desto größer der wahrscheinliche gewinn.

Eine sehr gute möglichkeit Geld zu verdienen um zu spielen ist es Land anteile zu kaufen, dafür musst du aber mehrere tausend euro investieren. Du erhällst dann jeden Tag oder jede woche deine peds, und es ist eigentlich egal ob du diese im spiel verlierst oder nicht, denn es ist sozusagen deine dividende die du verspielst.
 

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I dunno about hunting, but for mining its just not true you have to loose first lol.
I never believed in that and will never do.
Cycling has nothing to do with making profit in mining.

So why do (big) amp users say this?
Cause when using amps those will eat your profit and if you have enough peds and you keep mining like that you are about to hit something sooner or later ... but not because you needed to loose first. Even when hitting a biggy will not mean they break even or have profit, mostly they are still in red numbers.
Many tried it, many went broke and left the game.

Friend miner (unamped) hitted several K claims very unexpected and he was and is still making profit ...

Many of the miners I know (not gamblers, but real miners) do not need the swirls to break even or make profit.

At first when you start mining, without skills, with TT finder etc ., ofc you loose, cause you also have no idea what you are doing.

Just use your brains and you'll do ok.
 
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Hallo Walter

You can play here with little money and have fun. I played here for 4 years and have not paid the last two years like 40-60 €. I've never hunted big mobs in time, Armax Old was the biggest. But my armor and weapon matched the mobs.
Greetings back from Germany ^^
 

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Just a note for the truly new who see this thread: "Maxing" a weapon generally means bringing its (Hit) and (Damage) stats to 10.0/10.0, not the % figure that's elsewhere in weapon stats. This is done by gaining skills in the profession that's relevant to that weapon, eg Knifefighter for Shortblades or Laser Sniper and Ranged Laser for Laser Rifles. Any laser rifle/carbine will give those same skills, laser pistols give Ranged Laser skills, and there is some overlap between some professions.
The point here though, is try to use weapons that say "10.0/10.0" so they're truly maxed for you. It affects returns.
 

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Like many others have said, just playing the game won't net you cash. Additionally as you said, you know the company has to make money to keep the game running. Keeping these things in mind, you then ask yourself, how did X person make money then?

They made money by working the market (Using mark ups), running events, buying land, creating social groups that invest or hunt together, etc.

Where did that money these people made come from? MA? No. This money comes from other players. Never try to make money off of MA, they simply won't pay you out. They can't afford to just give select people money. Players on the other hand provide money for an experience like you did. That's where the money is.

So how to you provide the "Experience" for these players? You make their game easier/more fun. What makes the game easier? Getting materials you didn't have to go find, competing events where you have better odds for a win than just hunting alone, finding groups of people to invest with in virtual "Businesses".

Those things are already happening and people are providing other players an "Experience" by offering these things.

Obviously this doesn't tell you how to make money, but keep these concepts in mind and you may have a bit of an easier time. I also just posted a new player "Guide" or "Intro" you're welcome to check it out for some more info like this.
 

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with crafting TT-returns in runs being as low as 79,1% (for up to 4k clicks) i'm not surprised people are holding back with crafting stuff that needs over 90% TT-return (like the stuff that uses lanorium)....

In the end the demand of hunted/mined materials depends on the crafting volatility.
 
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