No personal loot pool? Poll

[Dennis blighter]

Ok, i beleived in personal loot pool, because my losses were later my gains. However with the new statement from MA i have a question.


In a game with real world money as active currency, in the game as PED.
Why would you as a player not want a personal loot pool? So in this you can assume someone elses uneco loss can possibly be your gain or just direct gain to MA, at that they didnt say where anythig goes.

But i made this for a poll question:

Question:
Would you prefer a personal only loot pool?(of course "dynamic" still)

 

[danimal01]

First step to recovery is addmitting that you have a problem (gambling problem). It seems as though many people have delusions of grandeur and are too fixated on making money to realize that very act is destroying their returns... Think of it from a company perspective, is it very feasable or profitible to have each individual avatar with it's own unique loot pool? No I'll explain why..

Let's say some average Joe hears about EU and it's "money making possibilities", he is intrigued by this and joins EU. He then hears about this "personal loot pool" (for this scenario we will make it real), then deposits 600000 PEDs into the system and cycles that. He will effectivley ATH every week for as long as he plays due to the volume of peds put into the system and cycled. Now multiply this by another 1000~ avatars that do the same thing.. Do you honestly think that this company could stay afloat with the overhead costs if they constantly paid out to these people? No

You can very plainly see that there are 3 independent professional loot pools and then spanned loot pools for each mob/item/ore. Ask yourself this: why is it that you always see a "noob" avatar with low tracker stats that hits an Atrox 10k HOF? It's due to the volume of peds being put into the hunting loot on that specific mob. Combined with other factors you then have a determined loot payout and that time is dynamic, as well as those factors (which I do not mention).

Wake up and smell the roses, if you wanted actual odds then hit up a real casino where your odds are clearly listed. EU is not a casino because it's odds are not clearly listed, it is all random and you "luckly" receive big loot payouts at any time. It's called "interacting", read the TOS/EULA for EU

Once you are able to effectively re-evaluate the way you play, then and only then, will you start to have fun ... and possibly "profit".

~Danimal

 

[mrproper]

You can't decide the truth by voting on it...

First step to recovery is addmitting that you have a problem (gambling problem).

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[danimal01]

You can't decide the truth by voting on it...



What does this have to do with anything?

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. Simply put people that belive in "personal loot pools" have a gambling problem and need to realize that..

~Danimal

 

[tuo130]

I definitely believe a personal loot pool should exist, but it shouldn't be the sole factor that determines a player's loot
Just my 2 PECs

 

[mrproper]

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. Simply put people that belive in "personal loot pools" have a gambling problem and need to realize that..

~Danimal

Wouldn't a gambler believe in pure luck and less on long term returns? I mean, it would be pretty stupid to walk into a Casino and be called a gambler when you know the fruit machine eats 13% of your 500$ and you want to enjoy the evening for 65$ without expecting to hit the jackpot on every roll. I find the logic is reversed somehow. Player knows he pays a 10% tax and plans for that, gets called a gambler...

 

[Uvas]

Wouldn't a gambler believe in pure luck and less on long term returns? I mean, it would be pretty stupid to walk into a Casino and be called a gambler when you know the fruit machine eats 13% of your 500$ and you want to enjoy the evening for 65$ without expecting to hit the jackpot on every roll. I find the logic is reversed somehow. Player knows he pays a 10% tax and plans for that, gets called a gambler...

Every gambler I know, is chock full of stats and odds and insider facts and percentages. They often make my head spin with the amount of knowledge and brain power they use to augment their losing...

 

[mrproper]

Every gambler I know, is chock full of stats and odds and insider facts and percentages. They often make my head spin with the amount of knowledge and brain power they use to augment their losing...

"Spending". It's not a loss, since it's a controlled expense. I did not drive my car 10km and "lost" a liter of fuel. It's not something that just "happened" against the odds. The car actually consumes fuel in a controlled manner.

Just like a gambler's long-term hobby budget gets consumed in a controlled manner. Wins or losses are just irrelevant events, trees in the forest, nothing much but noise.

 

[Uvas]

"Spending". It's not a loss, since it's a controlled expense. I did not drive my car 10km and "lost" a liter of fuel. It's not something that just "happened" against the odds. The car actually consumes fuel in a controlled manner.

Just like a gambler's long-term hobby budget gets consumed in a controlled manner. Wins or losses are just irrelevant events, trees in the forest, nothing much but noise.

Again, gamblers aren't totally interested in luck. That was my point. They can get quite wrapped up in the tiniest of details, thinking that they might tilt the odds in their favor.

 

[Dennis blighter]

In theory, some people can get 20% returns because they always get the crappy "pulls" others could technically win TT wise cuz thy always get or beat the norm and get more than what they use.

Some people claim they get both, that is completely unfair. I made this because a personal loot pool is fair, a "random" one with a payback as a whole is not.


That is unfair to me. Casinos must state how much the slots or gambling pays back. EU doesnt do that.

Im looking in terms of fairness. If this game isnt restricted/ regulated it falls under gambling. If it is regulated/ restricted it still falls under gambling( and if this part is true, they could favor players as they can regulate itthemselves). Therefore they need a license, at least for all US people to legally play.

Poll was made for realistic fairness, if this is a real world video game, i would expect fairness.

10 people with a opalo with the same skills will see much different results, therefor to improve on their release notes 2 u need more skills ect, but some players can and lose or win more than others, which is not fair, as this is not a (casino?)

 

[danimal01]

In theory, some people can get 20% returns because they always get the crappy "pulls" others could technically win TT wise cuz thy always get or beat the norm and get more than what they use.

Some people claim they get both, that is completely unfair. I made this because a personal loot pool is fair, a "random" one with a payback as a whole is not.


That is unfair to me. Casinos must state how much the slots or gambling pays back. EU doesnt do that.

Im looking in terms of fairness. If this game isnt restricted/ regulated it falls under gambling. If it is regulated/ restricted it still falls under gambling( and if this part is true, they could favor players as they can regulate itthemselves). Therefore they need a license, at least for all US people to legally play.

Poll was made for realistic fairness, if this is a real world video game, i would expect fairness.

10 people with a opalo with the same skills will see much different results, therefor to improve on their release notes 2 u need more skills ect, but some players can and lose or win more than others, which is not fair, as this is not a (casino?)

hum...

~Danimal

 

[Luckycharm]

I'd like my profile updated to get better returns. Never believed in personal lootpools or 90% theories. I still firmly believe in the favorites list though.

 

[mrproper]

90% theories.

If it's not 90%, then what number is it? 85? 95?

 

[Deleted member 26456]

If it's not 90%, then what number is it? 85? 95?

didn't you do any test for yourself to see what it would be?

 

[mrproper]

didn't you do any test for yourself to see what it would be?

It's the expected value for me. What I asked was what the person that disagrees with the community established conclusion, what were their own findings in regards to average returns.

 

[Deleted member 26456]

It's the expected value for me. What I asked was what the person that disagrees with the community established conclusion, what were their own findings in regards to average returns.

well it al depends on how they calculate their returns, and on how long they keep track of it.
and because all people seem to calculate different there will be always discusions over it.

 

[Svarog]

If the notes would state that the lootpool IS personal, for me that would mean that by hunting I simply turn over my own money in a closed sandbox and no matter what I do, the only place it may replenish from is my Visa. That's real cash masturbation, not economy, and isn't differs from playing an offline game. I probably wouldn't quit right away because I love the world and met many nice people here, but would use it solely as a 3D chat.

EU is not casino, because in a casino you play against the house and the house always win in the end. Here you play against other people, all your profit comes from their loses and the lion portion of your loses goes to their loot windows as well. MA just takes a small fee for maintaining the site for all this merrymaking. It's a stock exchange, where the stocks are your decisions what, how and where you're going to do today.

 

[RickEngland]

Look even if you make the wrong choices during a hunt, you dont head in with nothing. you might be sitting on a loss after the hunt, so now you ask your self questions. Was it the wrong time to play? did I really use the wrong weapon? Is there a mini cycle? the list goes on.

But I say again you dont come home wil zero return, you get multiple chances I guess to turn it around.

I did honestly believe I was building a personal pool that one day might pop. Now I think that somehow this is based on skills, and when that skill target is reached it triggers loot.

After reading dianimals post it makes sense that a personal pool wont work. I voted don't know.

However I do believe that MA will trigger some loot for you, if you make stupid mistakes. You can't cut off the arm that feeds you, this would not make commerical sense at all. so maybe that hof was not being clever after all, and maybe you got given another chance.

I was going to bed ages ago...lol

one things for sure, I've got a ton of testing to do.

Rick

 

[Infinity01]

K i've voted for personal loot pool....with TT RR of ~90% for being most efficient...
If someone is not efficient his RR should fall.... and the loss should go directly to MA's pocket... for development of this game or in the form of MU to other players.

Basically I'm saying playing stupid/inefficiency shouldnt' be compensated...and Players should have full control of their destiny and luck..

I like this model coz i dont' like gambling... never played.. and wont' play.

But something worse bothering me about EU... I feel that the same principles are not applied accross all players.
Having said that I do agree that high skilled players should have adventage over lower skilled players mostly based on the loot they get in the form of MU.

 

[Nisha]

That is unfair to me. Casinos must state how much the slots or gambling pays back. EU doesnt do that.

Im looking in terms of fairness. If this game isnt restricted/ regulated it falls under gambling. If it is regulated/ restricted it still falls under gambling( and if this part is true, they could favor players as they can regulate itthemselves). Therefore they need a license, at least for all US people to legally play.

I'd be very cautious about asserting that playing in the Entropia universe is gambling and about implying something might be illegal if there is no licence.

While you might very well argue that some activities resemble betting against a system and, in addition, that real money is involved, the overall setup with the universe's economy might just be what legally distinguishes it from gambling.

You do not get money back in your loot, you get back materials and items that enable you to participate in the game and their value is determined by the economy and what other players are willing to exchange for them.

Just because you prefer to use the game's mechanics like an online casino does not mean the game fits the legal definition of an online casino.

 

[Wollongong]

A mix of personal and collective pool might not be a bad thing. Personal only... nah.

 

[bettlejus]

Let's say some average Joe hears about EU and it's "money making possibilities", he is intrigued by this and joins EU. He then hears about this "personal loot pool" (for this scenario we will make it real), then deposits 600000 PEDs into the system and cycles that. He will effectivley ATH every week for as long as he plays due to the volume of peds put into the system and cycled. Now multiply this by another 1000~ avatars that do the same thing.. Do you honestly think that this company could stay afloat with the overhead costs if they constantly paid out to these people? No


~Danimal

Sorry for late post but Danimal, I cannot belive what you said above Actually in that scenario MA will make shitloads of money

YOu forgot something important......if a loot pool existed who said it must pay out weekly? It's not at fixed intervals

Also if a personal pool existed and is 90% return and it's weekly payed, then the guy you mentioned would loose 60K weekly, do you think MA will not like that?

Your example there is completely out of reality, forgot to take note of let's say 90% and that this 90% return does not come at fixed intervals


On subject, I do believe in personal lootpool, think about it, if mobs have personal loot pools and that work well, why should avatar not have?

Ok maybe it's not called lootpool, maybe it;s called P/L Report Then Ma is right

 

[combo22]

Imagine a Bank were there is only one account were everyone puts money, imagine how many people would do business with this bank.

Personal lootpools would make people spend more as they would have some TRUST they get something back, I was honestly hoping there is one, if there is not then I would play the game in a completely different manner:
- no need to deposit, have no influence on your return, so keep it to the minimum, zero if you can;
- no need to spend and play alot, I have the same chance to get a good loot as top1 hunter when killing the same mob(more tickets more chances, that's all)

The results of this poll will be very close to the result of the poll: Do you deposit?
The people that deposit want a security, they want a personal loot pool(personal account), nondepositors don't want it, easy to see why..

Some said you could not make money if there is personal lootpool, completely false, you can make money from markup, personal loot pool would only take care of TT return.

 

[mrproper]

Personal lootpools would make people spend more as they would have some TRUST they get something back, I was honestly hoping there is one, if there is not then I would play the game in a completely different manner... you can make money from markup, personal loot pool would only take care of TT return.

So spending more money.... bad? So not only MA tells us to not throw wasted peds in their pockets by being stupidly inefficient, they don't want us to deposit and spend more knowing there are no safeguards?

 

[combo22]

So spending more money.... bad? So not only MA tells us to not throw wasted peds in their pockets by being stupidly inefficient, they don't want us to deposit and spend more knowing there are no safeguards?

I think you misread my post, spending more money is good for MA, and you spend more money when you have trust you get something back, personal lootpool would do the trick.
I really don't know anymore how MA is thinking, every company tries to keep his old customers happy, companies/banks keep an history of how good/bad a customer is, and eventually give him something back if they buy more, not the case with MA it seems.

 

[Alina]

So as i said in my last post last year according to my tracker i had 4270 globals.Best loot using Foe was 2316 kreltin and still had 90.67 tt return (in this i included as cost fap,ME and very rare i used enhs).

 

[girtsn]

i beleived in personal loot pool, because my losses were later my gains

Man, define "personal loot pool" and "dynamic" first. I will quote myself from another post.

90% tt return has been proven statistically (and some factors contribute to it, like maximum 10% tax on land areas). You can do a simple test with 0.55 dmg/pec gun (overamping) yourself, it's not really that expensive. And no MA's statements do not contradict 90% tt return, since they did not define what "personal loot pool" means and only state that there is no compensation for "inefficient behavior" which they also did not define.

 

[girtsn]

I can say I believe in pi. However it only makes sense if we have a common understanding that pi~3.14. My point being that if a personal loot pool is not defined or not defined in common way, there is no point arguing about the word itself since people interpret it differently.
And no this has nothing to do with gambling.

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. Simply put people that belive in "personal loot pools" have a gambling problem and need to realize that..

~Danimal

 

[Akbar]

First step to recovery is addmitting that you have a problem (gambling problem)

What does this have to do with anything?

I agree with Mrproper on this one.



Anyway, after reading thousands of post in all Entropia forums since years,
we all agree that Entropia Universe is a gambling game.

Only Mind Dark pretend it is not.

 

[Shadowsong]

...we all agree that Entropia Universe is a gambling game.

...

Umm..... no.

I have massive respect for the inputs you make to player knowledge, but this one is not correct.