Not only a matter of dps?

[Naomi]

I see nothing wrong with the fact that highest dps wins. In most events, bot wars, migration, molisk and feff event, etc. are based on luck. You can have the highest dps and not win. With MM you are in control of your own destiny. It's the one event where you determine how well you do by planning, saving, getting the proper gear, researching, etc. if you want to win, no luck or randomness involved. I don't see how there is a problem with this format, since its the only MA event that works this way. Just my two cents and opinion.

well put
some events are random
some are dps

some will always complain, no matter what

 

[Leona]

I see nothing wrong with the fact that highest dps wins. In most events, bot wars, migration, molisk and feff event, etc. are based on luck. You can have the highest dps and not win. With MM you are in control of your own destiny. It's the one event where you determine how well you do by planning, saving, getting the proper gear, researching, etc. if you want to win, no luck or randomness involved. I don't see how there is a problem with this format, since its the only MA event that works this way. Just my two cents and opinion.

No, its nothing wrong with it. The only problem is that the people who complain the loudest about EU being a casino style game are also the ones who play the game like a casino. And are also the ones who complain once again if something actually doesn't work casino style.

 

[fresco]

i generally do not have problem with dps - it can be remidied with L guns somewhat.
But have level 70 compete with level 140 in the same category is plain STUPID setup

 

[dr3w]

What do you have against Lada?

 

[minim]

No, its nothing wrong with it. The only problem is that the people who complain the loudest about EU being a casino style game are also the ones who play the game like a casino. And are also the ones who complain once again if something actually doesn't work casino style.

Spot on leo!

 

[Alins]

I thought that is why we have different categories... so everyone has a chance. Should I pull out? I hope it's not too late...

 

[Aliana]

I don't see any problem with the DPS set up. Also, I like the way it is with instances. This is the first year I have ever participated in MM because I never liked the idea of being limited in how many hours I can be logged in. I wrote that in the thread with the first MM and stuck with it.

I also agree that highest loot isn't the way to go. I've never been a fan of events that are based on just getting lucky. I do like most loot. It still gives the higher skilled and better equipped an edge but allows for a little randomness with the luck factor.

I do like some of the ideas suggested for providing extra points for various other things, but also don't think this needs to be something we complain about. MA is trying to provide events, which we requested, so I think it would be nice if while having these kind of discussions we acknowledge their efforts even if some feel there is room for improvement.

Hugs,
Aliana

 

[Scissors]

Without reading every post but I seen the wordings something like "event should be more random" or along these lines. My thoughts are, the guys that looted the merry healers in cat 2 was this not random? And I am sure many more to come?

 

[helena]

while its good you've tried to offer some possible changes, isnt it the case that most of those "+extra" will come from killing more mobs, which comes from killing more, which gives a bias to dps...

waypoints might provide some additional element. the problem just shows the lack of depth in the game, its all about churning though mobs. but then what else would we have, puzzles, strategy?

or we should just have more impdoa or similar available?

Dps HAVE to be a major attribute in this kind of event, any hunting event, more dps=highest chance
the additions would be there only for dps not being the ONLY important attribute.

With current mayhem, i think strategy, aim, and everything u have to improve your score can make a +/-10% score. So you may be able to compet with someone who have +/-10% dps more than you do. over its just impossible, not same league.

The addition would maybe open this range to +/-20% so you can actually compte with the 2 top weapons with very good weapons.

 

[Artrat]

get x +extra points for every global and hof
get x +extra point in special loots "untradable points token"
get x +extra points killing special mobs that can randomly pop somewhere on the map, if you are good enough to find them and run to them
get x +extra points if you reach some way points during a specific timefram
get x +extra points when you make a discovery inside the instance
get x + extra point bonus if at end of instance u killed x different type of mobs, and reached waypoints etc

Yea, I think something along these lines could be good.

I think it should be something along the lines of WoF, where dps is the MAIN factor, but not the ONLY factor.

Ideally I think you should be forced to invest in decent dps to have a chance, but with some luck and strategy elements thrown in to keep it interesting. I think they have tried to do this with the current setup, but it could do with a bit more.

I like the idea of the globals and HoFs improving your score (maybe double points for each kill with global, x5 for each HoF, something like that.)

 

[Kimmi]

Spot on leo!

What the owners of impDoa, Terminator, MMT7s and you fanboys of the poeple owning those dont understand. Is that this new event is boring as fuck.
-You go inn, position yourself for the spawn to start. Click auto use tool, and thats it. You have to walk in a small circle, because the spawn rate is really crappy sometimes. Do this for 30 hours and done.

This event is no fun, old mayhem there where so much planning and strategy involved it was amazing.


No doubt its the same people who won before, who will win now. Atleast for me that no problem and how it should be, but abit more effort and planning was atleast needed in the old Mayhem.

Only MA can take a not perfectly planned Event, and improve it into a really crappy one.

 

[Stryker]

...because the spawn rate is really crappy sometimes...

This line alone proves that you could never come close to winning an event even with fixed weapons, armor and, god forbid, skills.

The new solo bracket is an awesome change, and I say that knowing full well I'm at an extreme disadvantage in terms of maximum dps. If you don't like it, don't participate. There is still a team category that will certainly require coordination and strategy, not just terminators and a tier 8 Imp...well I won't finish that

I hope MindArk continues using the new instance-event system in the future. We might finally have the foundation of an e-sport within EU.

@ Helena - Please enlighten us all and describe event parameters where you personally would have a chance at winning, other than whining.

 

[mai isma apari]

everything is about complain old maythen a lot complains bcuz ck is to god hunting
Now is against the guy own big guns I guess I say get over you not going to win either way next year Maybe MA change to use only karma killer start from tier 0 , or only felis start tier 0

 

[DRDoom]

I like the current event idea, I hunted some. But at lvl88 I'm no match against the lvl100+.

I use T6 DOA foe + evil, imp fap and PoE armor. Not remotely a chance on top10 spot and my ped card is drained between 400 - 700 ped / hour.

30 hours would cost me probably about 15 - 20K ped since the average return is obviously much lower on the MM mobs than on the normal mobs.

I guess I'll so some more just for the fun of it and I like the Yulebot but not for a winning spot in the competition.

 

[danimal01]

Helena,

I think your strategy is to complain as much as possible on the forums... you always get nice loots wither it be items or PED value...

If you are so worried about DPS then prepare in advance for MM next year. Buy supremacy, buy sentinel, buy impSH and buy a bunch of Bull Tac Elites.

~Danimal

 

[BestGamerEver]

.. sux to be uber ..

 

[Lugzan]

just a little side note - the chances to actually loot (or win) items with potential MU during MM (or any other special event) compared to regular hunting is the argument to participate in it. I seriously doubt the tt return is changed for the event, I am even ready to bet my opalo on it!

P.S. wasn't this game always about who can get the maximum gear possible (as cheap as possible?)


J.

 

[helena]

This line alone proves that you could never come close to winning an event even with fixed weapons, armor and, god forbid, skills.

The new solo bracket is an awesome change, and I say that knowing full well I'm at an extreme disadvantage in terms of maximum dps. If you don't like it, don't participate. There is still a team category that will certainly require coordination and strategy, not just terminators and a tier 8 Imp...well I won't finish that

I hope MindArk continues using the new instance-event system in the future. We might finally have the foundation of an e-sport within EU.

@ Helena - Please enlighten us all and describe event parameters where you personally would have a chance at winning, other than whining.

did you only readed what i wrote in answers? i ll copy cut it again for you, i m not only complaining but offering some ideas as well:

There is a solution in fact, to be a little more fair:

They can run it as it is today (with point per killing mob) but ad other possibilitys to earn points, that would make mayhem a lot richer.
The possibility could be:

get x +extra points for every global and hof
get x +extra point in special loots "untradable points token"
get x +extra points killing special mobs that can randomly pop somewhere on the map, if you are good enough to find them and run to them
get x +extra points if you reach some way points during a specific timefram
get x +extra points when you make a discovery inside the instance
get x + extra point bonus if at end of instance u killed x different type of mobs, and reached waypoints etc


there is many way to improve this and dont make it a dps run


Whats happening atm is The imp doa t8 borrowed from friend to friend, and that groupe of friends will take out every interesting prizes. There is many people in c4 that dont even participate because they know they dont have a chance of getting something.

Please Mindark, think about it, you made an impressive job on Mayhem and you are just a step away to make it really amazing!

 

[John B Knight]

did you only readed what i wrote in answers? i ll copy cut it again for you, i m not only complaining but offering some ideas as well:

I dont think that it would be more fair if players who got a big hof in an instance would get automatically a higher chance/more points for yet another reward.
The system with killcount and points for mobs of different strength is already a good start.
It would be even better if players had more choice, more mobs of different strength to choose from which also gave points in a broader range.
Adding roamers to the instances that have a larger aggro range and can alert other mobs would put players in the need to fight more carefully, not only going by highest dps but also continuous repositioning while fighting.
If aggrorange would also get adjusted based on the average killspeed a player has in an instance, then the very highlevel hunters would get in need to become more defensive against more opponents.
Extending the whole hunting system to bodyzones and making damage done to a mob dependent on where it is hit, could also increase the importance of realworld playerskills.
Giving players the ability to actually trigger a dodge/evade based on an animated mob attack, could also even out the playing field giving lower skilled players the chance to take on mobs above their skilllevel due to having the realworld skills to make up for it.

Some of these ideas might be easy to add, others would require fundamental hunting system adjustments - so just some thoughts for the future.

 

[Kimmi]

This line alone proves that you could never come close to winning an event even with fixed weapons, armor and, god forbid, skills.

You dont have to speak for me, I can speak for myself. I have never said to anyone I will be amog the winners nor am I a top20 hunter in Entropia.

If its no problem for you, I will express what I think of this event, and show my support to helena and other ubers competing in this event.

 

[SpikeBlack]

Personally I can't think of a way they can actually make it fair...

DPS wins = the majority don't stand a chance.
Highest loot wins = no skill needed whatsoever - worse than DPS in my opinion.

Only think I can personally think of is having more tiers to the structure - 10 rather than 4 or something. But even so, anyone in S1 can borrow an 80+ dps gun and win quite easily...

Spose it's nice that it's not just top5 and the prizes are spread out over random places like 13/50/75th.

If anyone else has an idea?

The only way to make it fare would be if the MM mob spawns were spread across the planet with huge dispersal areas with low spawn rates and people had to search for them rather than camping one or two spawns, add no time limit then it's not down to dps or biggest support team other than searchers. Then it could go back to a standard mission like last year.

But then that wouldn't result in the nice profit margin from all the deposits.

 

[KijkkiJikki]

Fair <> everyone has the same chance.

It's a competition folks, not a lottery. Players who are able to generate an advantage through skills, equipment or tactics will win, and that's as it should be.

 

[DAN-PL]

What do you have against Lada?

lol white is Lada?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joC9JvCmD9g

 

[Fifth]

OP is right, to use the slogan "Everyone has a chance" for MM was a mishap.
Hope the MA's PR team won't do this mistake next year.

 

[helena]

lol white is Lada?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joC9JvCmD9g

this is a lada:

 

[Xen]

OP is right, to use the slogan "Everyone has a chance" for MM was a mishap.
Hope the MA's PR team won't do this mistake next year.

Everyone has a chance. Everyone first logs in with zero skills. There is your level playing field. How much you skill and equip yourself is up to you.

 

[Mordrell]

Well my own results have shown that its not only dps that matters. Once you figure out the way the spawns happen you can keep up shooting non stop without getting swamped. Using the right armor setup minimising time spent fapping also helps boost killpoints gained.

 

[helena]

Everyone has a chance. Everyone first logs in with zero skills. There is your level playing field. How much you skill and equip yourself is up to you.

This is not true,

The terminator is unique and the imp doa 2 ingame, since those two weapon are unbeatable, this mean any time, any year, only 3 person in game (considering the other imp doa is also tiered, which i believe is not the case) can consider winning. I m using Full supremacy with sga parts+4e, mod fap, and tier 6 pod (195damage/51min) which is probably in top 10/15 equipment in game and i dont stand a slighty chance to enter top 3 whatever i do. You call that having a chance?

 

[AL Killmore]

Well, bringing a blade in a shootout was never such a good idea...

 

[Xen]

This is not true,

The terminator is unique and the imp doa 2 ingame, since those two weapon are unbeatable, this mean any time, any year, only 3 person in game (considering the other imp doa is also tiered, which i believe is not the case) can consider winning. I m using Full supremacy with sga parts+4e, mod fap, and tier 6 pod (195damage/51min) which is probably in top 10/15 equipment in game and i dont stand a slighty chance to enter top 3 whatever i do. You call that having a chance?

Yes, you had a chance to buy the gun.