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I had just come to the realisation that... I am no longer having any fun in this game. The frustrations I get from this game and my personal experience of this game is no longer what I used to percieve. I believe I am not the only one when I say that I have always been in denial that this is not the kind of game I want to 'play'. When I came across a thread on why people play this game despite showing their hate on this forum, I asked myself too. I remember I first got into the game in 2003 and everything was new and exciting. Now years down the road I am just desperately mining FOMA and HELL to regain my losses while decieving myself that 'Hey you're going to get your losses back, look at everyone around you that is doing well!'.

I've become somewhat an addict to the game, depositing and depositing in hopes to get something nice. Now I am sure many of you have genuine fun and I have no doubts about it. I personally had just realised that I have been treating the game like a casino. Being someone who has never gambled and hated it, I realised this is no longer a game for me. So while it is still early I decide to quit the game after I spend the remainder of my peds. I am not rendering the possibility of returning to the game as zero in the future but rather than constantly telling myself that I will leave the game soon, I will take the first step as to delete the game and spend that money on life.

I always asked myself if this is what I want to spend on. I do not know anything about how the game works. When people start viewing the game as a way to gamble then it is no longer a game. Tell this game to anyone of my friends and they instantly identify it as a hoax/scam. I'm letting my investments be controlled by a company when there are way bigger companies out there that wouldn't think twice about taking my money and running away. Cite Lehman Brothers for example.

Before I make this into a rant post I will end it here. I did however truly have fun in the game and aside from my constant whining about the losses, I'm thankful for the friends I made in this game. Just that I realised this game is the kind of game that I shouldn't have touched. I do not smoke, drink or gamble and when this game is turning me into someone I don't want to be then it is time to stop. I am not stopping people from playing as I know there are those out there that are truly enjoying the game and loves it. I personally just went the wrong path and perception of the game. The biggest mistake is switching to become a FOMA/HELL miner. Look at any pure FOMA miner and you will see that at the end of all our deposits, we are not asset rich at all because we dump the peds in amps and bombs. What something is, is basically how you percieve it. My perception of the game changed despite what I had always convinced myself.

I hope those that complain about the game actually question themselves if the game had become a bad addiction. And those that enjoys the game to continue enjoying it :)!
 

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I had just come to the realisation t :)!

That is a considerable statment.
Your transgression from believer to doubter.
I have mixed feelings at times.
Perhaps pre-contemplatve, I hope one day the formula will stand corrected!
Nevertheless I contemplate my entertainment and continue into oblivion :)
 

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why bother posting these whining threads?
 

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Now years down the road I am just desperately mining FOMA and HELL to regain my losses while decieving myself that 'Hey you're going to get your losses back, look at everyone around you that is doing well!'.

I went through this myself a couple of years in and it just happened to coincide when my debit card was replaced so I didn't reactivate it and limited myself to $50 a month. Gradually I've deposited less and less, even missing out on beacons because I'd hit my limit for the month but refusin loans from soc mates to take part,

Where now I'm at the point where I've not deposited for 4 years but my play time per month is less than many do in a day.
 

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why bother posting these whining threads?

This isn't whining man... have you read the OP in it's entirety? He's speaking about the game and what it has turned him into. He is not saying something such as this, "this game sucks because I keep loosing and I never HoF".

~Danimal
 

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This isn't whining man... have you read the OP in it's entirety? He's speaking about the game and what it has turned him into. He is not saying something such as this, "this game sucks because I keep loosing and I never HoF".

~Danimal

the game didn't turn him into anything. He played the game like a gambler and then blames the game for it afterwards.
 

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the game didn't turn him into anything. He played the game like a gambler and then blames the game for it afterwards.

I blame my perception of the game and not the game itself. I thought this was made clear in my post, that what the game is, is how we percieve it. I went down the wrong path and treated it as gambling. Just like in life; we choose our way to play the game and I went down the wrong direction. Bad habits are hard to fix. If anything I wished to stop people from mining the way I did. View my thread how you choose.
 

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I wish you the best of luck, fun and enjoyment in everything you do! Gl to you! :beerchug:
 

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I blame my perception of the game and not the game itself. I thought this was made clear in my post, that what the game is, is how we percieve it. I went down the wrong path and treated it as gambling. Just like in life; we choose our way to play the game and I went down the wrong direction. Bad habits are hard to fix. If anything I wished to stop people from mining the way I did. View my thread how you choose.
Good. Why not change your mining way?
 

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Good. Why not change your mining way?

I've tried but I have mined on FOMA for far too long. For the longest I remember, I've always been on FOMA. So when I say that I do not render the possibility of me returning to the game as zero, I hope I can come back with a fresh mind and also hopefully view it as a brand new game where FOMA/HELL no longer tempts me.

I did not make this thread to ask people to follow me and quit this game. I want people to question themselves on how they themselves percieve the game. All these frustrations and argument on the forum, especially when it is anything MA related. Does the fault lie with the game or does it truly lie with how you decide to play? It could be both. But if you do not make the effort to fix that 50% of the time that you yourself can fix and continue blaming the game, then nothing will change. Some of you are truly doing everything right but make losses. Some of us make more than usual losses because we chose to chase the big HoFs. But as humans, we are never satisfied. For me, I always get tempted back onto FOMA/HELL hoping I get to hit the big one.

I do not have the willpower to change the way I play. So I use the best approach which is to take a break and hopefully when I do come back that you will see my globals/hof no longer has FOMA/HELL in its messages.
 

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It's not that easy Dr3w:) It's like saying to a drug addict why not just smoke Marlboro? It's not easy

You know what's the best path but still you cannot take it, instead you prefer the gambling part

This is where the succes of this game is, the gambling part and how easy is for people to go down that path:)

If we all would have played safe and easy EU would have not been were it is now:)
 

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I do not have the willpower to change the way I play.


Okay. You do not have the willpower.


Try to rely on what you're have, and not on what you don't.


It's not mockery.
 

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It's not that easy Dr3w:)
If we all would have played safe and easy EU would have not been were it is now:)

I hasten to say, your'e proabably right:)
Let the entertainment continue;)
 

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It's not that easy Dr3w:) It's like saying to a drug addict why not just smoke Marlboro? It's not easy

It's actually very easy.

My case - not so long time ago I did mining with lvl8s. Then I downshifted to lvl7s. Now I am at lvl5s.

And I am mining addict, yes.

The difference between Ratez and me - he addicted to results, meanwhile acting wrong.

I'm addicted to the mining process itself, acting mostly right.
 

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Okay. You do not have the willpower.


Try to rely on what you're have, and not on what you don't.


It's not mockery.

I didn't get offended by that because its true :). The addiction part convinces otherwise. So what I lack in willpower which is also reinforced by addiction, I take a break to tune myself.

I tell myself, 'hey you were able to mine back when amps were not around, why can't you do that now?'. Addiction: 'Dude, remember that last uber you got? Every bomb you drop is a chance to get that again!'
Addiction: 'You've gone too far. Just hope the dynamics work in your favour then you will regain all your losses in just one drop'

In the course of time I have made friends with other miners that mine like me. As the saying goes, it is easier to see the fault of others than that of your own. I saw what they did wrong with my logical side which is actually what I am doing wrong as well.

So no, I am encouraging people to re-evaluate how they percieve this game and take a break if thats what they have to do. Quite far off from tellng people to quit.

EDIT: To your previous post, you're right. Exactly what I mean by how we percieve the game :). For example, yes on HELL I go for MU. But I play a huge amount of time. So when the MU domes are gone, I go mine at dome with crap things thus making my effort to mine for MU at the start pointless.
 
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Just make sure to log in about every 6 months or so so your account and all skills on it don't accidentally go past the time limit before it's completely wiped from the server. I once took a 9 month break due to computer not being good enough to log in a few years back, and got lucky that I hadn't reached that limit yet by letting it go a few more months.

Actually, that 9 months did change my perspective a lot, so I suspect a few months away will change yours too. Before then I wanted to hunt with the most expensive weapon I could afford and do it every day I had free time, sometimes playing for 14+ hours at a time on weekends. When I came back, I focused on trading a long while, and now have finally come to see even that as a waste of time a bit, money, and effort, so now I treat the game like a game... I limit myself to my monthly deposit, and if that's too much due to real world expenses, I cut back even that. I consider 100% of everything put in to the game as an entertainment expense. If I get back something, great. If not, no worries. It's been hard to get to this stage, but this is where I am. Focusing on the viper whip, which is just about the lowest cost per click weapon in game that is not L, and using it on puny mobs has helped me a bit in this process. It allows me to keep costs for the month extremely low since the whip's repair is about 10 bucks and that gives me about 2 weeks of play time, playing an hour or two a day, maybe longer if I swunt instead of just hunt with it. Also, having 3 apartments, a shop and a booth to redecorate when peds are low keeps me from spending tons all the time that I'm logged in as monthly rent fees on the estates were removed a while back. I don't know if estate ownership can help everyone like it helped me in that way. I'm a bit of an artist irl, so interior decorating is actually sort of a hobby/niche that somewhat ties in to my real world hobbies a little.

With mining, I'm not sure if going unamped and mining slowly can ever get you down to that low of a cost per month, but it might get you closer eventually?
 
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It never hurts to take a step back. EU will be there when you return and ready to continue consuming PEDs. I am getting back to enjoying EU for what it is and what it can be. While I have been depositing like a madman recently and playing the same way, I know it will taper out soon. Real life things like school, work, and art are a huge part of my life right now and I can't play at the levels I once used too. That is not a bad thing because when I hit the item loot doldrums its about the time my real life activities start to ramp up.

I've also learned to keep my expectations low and lately I have been pleasantly surprised when good things happen or some loot pops that I did not expect.

The loot system in general is very fickle and it always seems when you could really use something or need that big loot the most it won't happen. Then out of the blue sometimes it does.

I also think planning is a big step in EU. If you don't have a plan (even if it fails) its hard to measure your success and easy to lose PED. The times I have lost the most PED have been when I deviate from my plan and my budget.

The realization I came to many years ago was that this game will always have some cost associated with it. That cost is either PEDs and/or time. The system is geared to continually funnel PEDs out so the players have to keep replenishing those PEDs. There are always opportunities to reduce or even reverse your PED drain. Its not so much about what others loot or that windfall loot its by paying attention to your avatar what you are looting and if those items carry some demand.

I think a lot of people get caught up in the loot frenzy and I am no exception but at some point I look at my dwindling PED card and return to my plan or take a break and make some sci fi art or just take a walk and appreciate the world in which we live.

Probably the best thing that happened to me in EU was deciding to sell out and pursue my BFA. The PEDs I withdrew helped get me started on that path and eventually my job decided to foot the tuition tab for me. The time away and the sell of my items and skills gave me distance from all my frustrations with EU at the time. I have a healthy attitude about EU but it takes balance within the game and in real life to attain it.
 

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I wish you well in your future EU life.

I personally look at my EU life as a lifelong investment , not an investment that will pay for my Cuban cigars and beach chairs , but one that will give me a few hours of satisfaction here and there.

Entropia to me is a Vice like any other and with that I have given it a position in my budget , and using this strategy I am forced to play this game as the budget permits.

I attempt to make my decisions based on the long term for skilling and item purchases , some have paid , others have filled my inventory with junk that is probably worthless , and Professional levels that lead to current dead ends.

But I also look at Entropia as something I will play and eventually pass to my kids or grandkids if the game still exists at that time. This gives me some peace of mind knowing I skilled Brawler to level 43 without a path to continue , unless I switch to Limited claws and fists which I cannot stand at this point. But maybe one of my lineage will enjoy the profession or Unlimted claws that have some power will be discovered for me to continue.

There are countless game strategies for building a successful hunter , miner , crafter , trader or whatever the path chosen , but if the one you have chosen has not lived to your expectations , change it.

To me it is obvious you have already seen the errors that have consumed your resources to this point , but the biggest error I see is the need to gain back what you have deposited.

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