Threeeality's Stream and TT Hunting Challenge Log

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could you maybe update the totals anyways? i bet you have it in your spreadsheet somewhere, don't ya?
Hey, Zen!


Total Cost: 56559.37
Total Return: 52677.34

Total Profit/Loss: -3854.97
Total Return TT %: 93.1%

In 18 days of playing the game, I have lost almost 4000 ped, Cost to Play for higher level fun is very expensive, too expensive?
 
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Run #18
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Feff Pit, Big Bulk, Steel Birds, and Sandking

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 3993.14
Total TT Return: 3341.51

Ped Profit/Loss: -651.63
% TT Return: 84%

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11 Days in a row with a loss, so much for loot 2.0 or is it 3.0? :scratch2:
 
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Run #18
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Feff Pit, Big Bulk, Steel Birds, and Sandking

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 3993.14
Total TT Return: 3341.51

Ped Profit/Loss: -651.63
% TT Return: 84%

Non-shared loot Multis:
Globals: 4
Hofs: 0

Nice loot Pictures or Clips:
Nopes

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11 Days in a row with a loss, so much for loot 2.0 or is it 3.0? :scratch2:
Probably 3.0. It's pretty bad.
 

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I think the next log will be green.

Nice one Three! :thumbup:
 

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Run #19
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Feff Pit, Big Bulk, Steel Bird, Proteron, and Argo Scav

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 5512.97
Total TT Return: 7957.55

Ped Profit/Loss: 2444.58


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This one is for you, Carl! :beerchug: GRRREEEENNNSSS, I missed you so much!!!!
 
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Run #19
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Feff Pit, Big Bulk, Steel Bird, Proteron, and Argo Scav

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 5512.97
Total TT Return: 7957.55

Ped Profit/Loss: 2444.58
% TT Return: 144.3%

Non-shared loot Multis:
Globals: 7
Hofs: 1

Nice loot Pictures or Clips:
https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree/clip/OilyAmericanPanCharlieBitMe?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

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This one is for you, Carl! :beerchug: GRRREEEENNNSSS, I missed you so much!!!!
Huge gratz buddy!!!!
 

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Run #20
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Feff Pit, Neomex, Big Bulk, and Mining

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 3467.35
Total TT Return: 2968.18

Ped Profit/Loss: -499.17
% TT Return: 85.6%

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I really don't want 12 negative runs in a row. :(
 
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Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Various

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 3699.06
Total TT Return: 3433.35

Ped Profit/Loss: -265.71
% TT Return: 92.8%

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End of the month, will update results on the first post. 5 Negative run streak so far! :rolleyes:
 
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Run #27
Planet: Calypso & RT
Main Mobs: EM and Mining

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 4381.07
Total TT Return: 3743.06

Ped Profit/Loss: -638.01
% TT Return: 85%


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OUCH, 8th negative run in a row.... Damn, can we balance this out a little....:vampire:
 
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Run #28
Planet: Calypso
Main Mobs: Daily, EM, and Mining

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 6104.71
Total TT Return: 5960.71

Ped Profit/Loss: -144
% TT Return: 98%

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This would have been another really bad run, but was saved at the end by a mining run. 9 Negative runs in a row. SIGH. Am I really going to have to wait 3 more months for another positive run? :laugh::laugh:
 
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Planet: RT
Main Mobs: EM and Mining

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Total TT Cost: 4093.61
Total TT Return: 3605.25

Ped Profit/Loss: -488.36
% TT Return: 88%

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Well, it has been exactly 30 days of runs, 6 to 8 hours a day playing and I am at almost exactly 95% tt Return down a total of 5250.79 ped in one month. That seems a bit excessive for just one month of playing, I feel the urge to either quit playing, play a lot less, or play at a much smaller level, which after 13 years of playing is very very boring for me. Going to take some time to think if I should change things up, continue this log, or even continue playing at all. :cool:
 
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Thanks for this log, it's an interesting read.

Your tt return seems to be where it should be with your looter skill and armatrix setup afaik. maybe even a bit above average. With your grinding you'll easily hit L40 looter and improve your average return of 0.7 %, which would mean 700 ped more for you in the following month (in theory).

Another important value is kill count. Do you have that, and would you like to share? 100k ped turnover on 4-6 ped mobs means ~20k kills ? From my experience it takes a lot more than 20k kills to hit a 500x or more.

Also, what's your MU return? There surely must be ~2 % return or so from your hunts? At least EM mobs should give you 2-3 % MU.
 
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Thanks for this log, it's an interesting read.

Your tt return seems to be where it should be with your looter skill and armatrix setup afaik. maybe even a bit above average. With your grinding you'll easily hit L40 looter and improve your average return of 0.7 %, which would mean 700 ped more for you in the following month (in theory).

Another important value is kill count. Do you have that, and would you like to share? 100k ped turnover on 4-6 ped mobs means ~20k kills ? From my experience it takes a lot more than 20k kills to hit a 500x or more.

Also, what's your MU return? There surely must be ~2 % return or so from your hunts? At least EM mobs should give you 2-3 % MU.
Hey Lava, thanks for the input!

Kill Count Question:
I have not been keeping track of kill count, I just wanted to focus on my tt % return and how much that cost me a month hunting and mining at mid to high level, which is where I have fun playing the game. If it makes you feel any better about my returns, I hit a big multi this month, which helped my numbers a lot more than normal. So, this would be a really good month for me.

MU Return Question:
To start with I am not counting the MU I lose in items I use to hunt and mine, which is pretty equivalent to the MU I get back in return. Speaking on EM MU... I am assuming you mainly mean the Easter Mayhem Boxes, I don't sell them, I just open them. But, in general most of the MU I find is pretty crappy. Far more Shrap than materials, and even the mats are pretty crappy MU, with most higher MU mats taking at minimum of a month of building before sell-able, which ties up a bit of ped over time. Hard to save up 10000 extractors!

My Returns Statement:
As you mentioned, my returns are actually some what better than normal, and I agree with that. I usually am down around 8000 ped a month playing at the level I am playing at. If reaching level 40 looter, which I am getting really close to will save me 700 ped. That should bring my average, best case scenario to 7000 ped a month loss in TT, which still seems a bit excessive to me!

Final Thoughts:
I still think the cost for fun in this game is incredibly high, especially for those who have played for some time and don't have the excitement of a new game experience. I think that is why almost all of the people I personally know who play at this level have either A. Dropped to lower mobs to hunt, B. Dropped the amount of time playing, or C. Quit. Which makes sense there is some kind of wall at this level that takes a lot of money to break through. Keep in mind these are just my thoughts and opinions.

A couple questions for, Lava:
I also have a couple question for you, Lava. What level mobs do you normally hunt? What is your experience hunting high level mobs on a very consistent basis? Also, how many hours of the day do you hunt?

-Three :cool:
 
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Unfortunately, the looter system creates a pyramid system in the game. For a variety of reasons, it would have been better to leave it with 1.0. New players have little chance if they want to play in the same domain as everyone else with much higher levels and it will get worse as time goes on. This assumes that looter skills are competitive and not a "grant" to reduce the rake the game takes.
 

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Unfortunately, the looter system creates a pyramid system in the game. For a variety of reasons, it would have been better to leave it with 1.0. New players have little chance if they want to play in the same domain as everyone else with much higher levels and it will get worse as time goes on. This assumes that looter skills are competitive and not a "grant" to reduce the rake the game takes.
This is way more evened field than b4. It was possible to have 120% TT return before, now its not possible (or shouldnt be) to hit 105%, meaning low lvl players especially can reduce their losses/increase their profit faster and they dont even need hundreds of thousands peds worth of gear to do so.
 

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Run #31
Planet: RT
Main Mobs: EM and Mining

Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 3746.17
Total TT Return: 3330.6

Ped Profit/Loss: -415.57
% TT Return: 89%

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I think I have decided, starting tomorrow instead of hunting Mid-High level mobs, I am going to hunt Mid-Low level mobs. I am also going to cut my monthly deposit in half and start playing half as much. It will be a lot more boring, and if it becomes too boring then I'll just go on break. BTW 12 RED days in a row
:broke::mad::dunce:
 
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I think I have decided, starting tomorrow instead of hunting Mid-High level mobs, I am going to hunt Mid-Low level mobs. I am also going to cut my monthly deposit in half and start playing half as much. It will be a lot more boring, and if it becomes too boring then I'll just go on break. BTW 12 RED days in a row
:broke::mad::dunce:
If what you are doing isn't working then change it.
 

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You only hunt or also do other professions? If you hunt only, 12 days in a row losing I can agree that it's pretty disturbing. What I notice recently that had a lot of time to play is that the longer the session the more and faster you loss, like the game trying to tell you: "piss off, you already played your daily hour, stop and leave while you ahead". All the time that I persisted it was terrible. Average loss of 300 PED a day. I think they become too greedy or irresponsible with their costumers.
 

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You only hunt or also do other professions? If you hunt only, 12 days in a row losing I can agree that it's pretty disturbing. What I notice recently that had a lot of time to play is that the longer the session the more and faster you loss, like the game trying to tell you: "piss off, you already played your daily hour, stop and leave while you ahead". All the time that I persisted it was terrible. Average loss of 300 PED a day. I think they become too greedy or irresponsible with their costumers.
Hey Fanan, what is up!

I am mainly hunting, with a little bit of mining here and there. I do plan on cycling smaller runs, hopefully that will produce some more days with positive results, so playing is less depressing. Does seem stupid that the game pushes you to play smaller and to play less, but i guess that is just how it is.

-Three :cool:
 

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Planet: Calypso
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Stream Link: https://www.twitch.tv/bunkerthree
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/6C6Kzug

Total TT Cost: 1705.4
Total TT Return: 1617.3

Ped Profit/Loss: -88.1
% TT Return: 94.8%

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I wonder what it feels like to stop playing EU for the day and be in profit... I can't quite remember... :scratch2:
 
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