Question: What happens if a weapons goes over the 100/min attacks server limit?

[GeorgeSkywalker]

Some weapons have a high attack rate e.g. MM has 86/min. With buffs could go over the 100/min attacks server limit. When it goes over what happens? If we overamp we get red text or warning if I remember correctly is there something similar for this situation?

Do you loose the excess ammo & decay?

Edit:
What affect if any would it have on enhancer breaks? and skill gains?

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Some weapons have a high attack rate e.g. MM has 86/min. With buffs could go over the 100/min attacks server limit. When it goes over what happens? If we overamp we get red text or warning if I remember correctly is there something similar for this situation?

Do you loose the excess ammo & decay?

It limits the attacks per minute to the limit, and calculates how many attacks per min you actually lose because of this limit.

The damage lost, is instead converted into additional ammo burn and damage, to "match" the lost attacks per min.

This can easily be seen if you equip your mod merc, and compare your ammo burn before and after popping an candy cane or similar pill with attack speed, because it pushes you beyond that limit

 

[fred5283]

And the limit is not exactly 100/min or i know it's lower with some weapons

 

[Katie Chalmers]

Damage and cost per shot just get increased to compensate. No PEDs are gained or lost and no change to your dps. Keep in mind if you use chat log trackers, if your hits per minute change back and forth, the tracker will not pick this up, and you will get a margin of error on your shot costs.
I’ve made a thread going over this in more detail if you want to look it up.

 

[Fanan]

A five second search on google returned me this page from Entropia wiki:

VU 15.7.1 (Dec 2015)
http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.aspx?chart=VU&id=429

- Attacks with items that exceed the server limit of 100 attacks per minute (i.e. through stacked buff effects) will now receive a damage increase proportional to what would have been achieved with the faster attack speed, while still being limited to 100 attacks per minute. This damage increase will result in increased ammunition and item deterioration proportional to the additional damage created.

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

Thanks for all the info. Very much appreciated.

So I guess DPP will remain the same.

What affect if any would it have on enhancer breaks? and skill gains?

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Thanks for all the info. Very much appreciated.

So I guess DPP will remain the same.

What affect if any would it have on enhancer breaks? and skill gains?

I havent thought about enhancher breaks and skill gains, but i believe they are based on the total cost.
Higher ammo burn, but slower weapon gives the same amount of skills per hour as a weapon with lower ammo burn and faster attack speed, if both weapons cycle the same ped per hour. Compare a Marber BGH to a simliar weapon in cost per hour, but with fast attack speed instead.

i believe, but have nothing to support this so take it with a grain of salt, that enhancer breaks after certain amount of ped cost... meaning higher dpp gun "break less enhancers"

they still break at the same ped spent, but since DPP is higher, you can deal much more damage in the same ped spent as an uneco weapon. High DPP = More use of your enhancer before it breaks

 

[Yazuki]

I havent thought about enhancher breaks and skill gains, but i believe they are based on the total cost.
Higher ammo burn, but slower weapon gives the same amount of skills per hour as a weapon with lower ammo burn and faster attack speed, if both weapons cycle the same ped per hour. Compare a Marber BGH to a simliar weapon in cost per hour, but with fast attack speed instead.

i believe, but have nothing to support this so take it with a grain of salt, that enhancer breaks after certain amount of ped cost... meaning higher dpp gun "break less enhancers"

they still break at the same ped spent, but since DPP is higher, you can deal much more damage in the same ped spent as an uneco weapon. High DPP = More use of your enhancer before it breaks

https://account.entropiauniverse.com/news/pages/2020/06/02/1199/index.xml

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

If, "The chance for enhancers to break is now directly and linearly proportional to the benefit provided." Then the question becomes what benefits if any are there for exceeding the limit?

I checked to see how wiki displays exceeding the limit on weapon compare.
MM with A204 Hypercharged before buff:

After 30% reload buff:

As you can see it shows 111.8/min attacks. So doesn't take into account the limit.
If you don't take into account the limit it shows dmg/sec would be 136.88

From what I understand when you exceed the limit damage and costs will be scaled up to compensate for not exceeding the limit and the resulting dmg/sec would still be 136.88

So therefore the benefit of exceeding the limit are that you get an increased DPS. Hence, consequently enhancer break rate will increase accordingly.

I'm still unsure about skill gains when you exceed the limit. However, I'm thinking DPS would increase and hence skill gained/min increases

 

[i.cromme]

My ench breakrate for Camo BGH (~1575 shots per 1 ench on each one slot)

Used Slots	Shots Done	Consumption	Shots per one slot	Shots per one ench
2	1941	3	3882	1294
2	1206	0	2412	0
3	2269	0	6807	0
3	1516	6	4548	758
3	1826	2	5478	2739
3	3780	11	11340	1031
3	3776	5	11328	2266
3	3765	7	11295	1614
3	4558	10	13674	1367
3	3562	7	10686	1527
3	2855	2	8565	4283
3	1014	3	3042	1014
3	1503	5	4509	902
3	3484	7	10452	1493
3	833	6	2499	417
3	1717	2	5151	2576
3	3330	13	9990	768
3	2453	6	7359	1227
3	1515	2	4545	2273
3	1739	4	5217	1304
3	1718	5	5154	1031
3	1927	4	5781	1445
3	3624	6	10872	1812
3	3189	2	9567	4784
3	3481	10	10443	1044
3	3445	7	10335	1476
3	3340	5	10020	2004
3	3617	5	10851	2170
3	3616	6	10848	1808
3	4291	16	12873	805
3	3703	8	11109	1389
3	2272	5	6816	1363
3	2130	3	6390	2130
3	3650	7	10950	1564
3	3570	7	10710	1530
3	2264	7	6792	970
3	3035	3	9105	3035
3	4090	8	12270	1534
3	4851	8	14553	1819
3	6070	8	18210	2276
3	6065	4	18195	4549
3	6827	10	20481	2048
3	7583	17	22749	1338
3	5307	8	15921	1990
3	1658	4	4974	1244
3	2171	5	6513	1303
3	6068	12	18204	1517
3	2170	1	6510	6510
3	3630	8	10890	1361
3	2735	6	8205	1368
3	3223	1	9669	9669
3	6078	6	18234	3039
3	1666	5	4998	1000
3	1688	3	5064	1688
3	4505	6	13515	2253
1	4880	1	4880	4880
2	5030	10	10060	1006
2	6520	6	13040	2173
1	6976	4	6976	1744
1	3840	4	3840	960
1	586	0	586	0
1	6119	5	6119	1224
1	6784	5	6784	1357
1	6780	4	6780	1695
3	1618	4	4854	1214
1	7707	5	7707	1541
3	657	2	1971	986
1	3690	1	3690	3690
1	2261	1	2261	2261
1	6102	5	6102	1220

 

[jak]

****Start of conspiracy thoery****

It's been said but not conclusively tested, since it's very hard to test and only a few weapons can do this. But the over-damage paypasses all armor in PVP. At least this is what was said at LG long ago. Knowing MA and their amazing programming skills I'm inclined to believe this!

****End of conspiracy theory****