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The 1x0 situation

psychnosiz said:


Comparing the axe with expensive items is also not right, like said before - axes require a lot more equipment. No noob can buy himself any of these weapons, he can maybe get a jester D1/2 with a lot lesser damage, decay AND ammo. It's not really possible to work your way up starting from scratch.
Not everyone is willing to deposit the first days, and noobs need to see loot before they consider playing on.

MA should atleast take some responsability before making such changes, and maybe even find a more fitted solution. Afterall this is a virtual universe, not a game!
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Hmm, interesting idea blinked in my mind when reading this. Maybe it would have been better to make an 1x0s a 'limited use item' - for example they couldn't be repaired instead when decayed - than changing their stats? IIRC limited use items are introduced in this VU...
 
vOiCeOfNiGhT said:
Hmm, interesting idea blinked in my mind when reading this. Maybe it would have been better to make an 1x0s a 'limited use item' - for example they couldn't be repaired instead when decayed - than changing their stats? IIRC limited use items are introduced in this VU...
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We would still be in the same situation with people crying nerf. Actually, it would truely be a nerf then. This way MA can say, and they have evidence, that is was a mistake or "bug".

DD
:evilking:
 
I guess it was to be expected that someday they would get fixed.

And I don't really mind, especially not if it fixed a major economy balance, but I guess that's something we can't say yet ...

I'm just wondering (didn't check myself yet), did they "fix" the fap deluxe too, or is that not a bug?
 
One of the fundamental ideas behind PE is not to supply all the facts, for the reason of knowledge gathering and information sharing within the community.

The Axe change was due to a bug, in the way that the Electrical Damage was never supposed to be there in the first place. How it came to be there is being investigated. A new system is being instated to make sure such issues will never happen again. Those using the Axe had (unknowingly) used a bugged item, and therefore (of course) no repercussions will fall on any of them (yes, I have had such inquiries from worried participants).

It is unforuntate the issue wasn't noticed sooner, but when discovered, it was recified and now the Axe has the stats it is supposed to have, being a low-level item.

I fully understand that changes are disrupting, but letting bugs be present is even more disrupting. I have stated before that all bugged items will, in time, be fixed somehow (this includes non-decaying attachments).

For those who claim that MindArk is hating its customers - how can I respond to that, as it is preposterous. Plain and simple. We want PE to be stable and filled with lots and lots of happy participants. Every decision we make is based on that notion. Every one. It must be, else we would be digging our own grave. It is basic business, to have happy customers. And I believe you all enjoy PE a lot better with less bugs than with more. We have a whole team designated to only seek up and squash any known bugs. The weekend isn't for the team - they work on. An update is coming as soon as it is deemed ready. There is no ETA atm.

If you think you have discovered a bug, you must file a support case as it is support that manages what is to be done, based on your feedback.
 
Thx for good answer, Marco.
+rep

/Kjetil :cool:
 
Einstein said:
I'm just wondering (didn't check myself yet), did they "fix" the fap deluxe too, or is that not a bug?
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nothing is buged until MA need to change it.
decoy was buged since the first day , but we learned that after near 3 year the day MA fixed it.
had you ever heard before decoy was buged ? no ... they was not .. one day , MA think decay is not good for economie balance so they write decoy is bugged , we change it.
i know its MA game and they can do what ever they whant and blabla...
its just as player i feel less secure with hight value item.

i dont think fap deluxe is so bad for economie balance , so i dont think there rush to make it useable.
maybe one day they will fix it , because since they exist i say ( and i am not alone) its a coma bug , decay should be 18 pec and not 180.its eror they made while writing stat ( like put 5 in electric for axe) but they dont whant to change it.
there same eror with brown paint , TT is 70 pec , but it should be 7 pec.but they let it like that , result people dont color clothe in brown because it cost to mutch , so noob colorer when he finally unlock a new color , and get brown , cry his ass out , and go skill again.

my main point is , MA have to change it fast ( som month max after item is introduced in game ) or never change it.
like we can see with axe , it depend on economie balance.
so now , i wait to see them change mod and imp fap.
because for economie balance i bet thats a big shit.
 
Etopia said:
i dont think fap deluxe is so bad for economie balance , so i dont think there rush to make it useable.
maybe one day they will fix it , because since they exist i say ( and i am not alone) its a coma bug , decay should be 18 pec and not 180.its eror they made while writing stat ( like put 5 in electric for axe) but they dont whant to change it.
there same eror with brown paint , TT is 70 pec , but it should be 7 pec.but they let it like that , result people dont color clothe in brown because it cost to mutch , so noob colorer when he finally unlock a new color , and get brown , cry his ass out , and go skill again.
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So can we please get answer whether these are bugged or not? In the meantime I will file a support case.
 
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Marco|MindArk said:
We want PE to be stable and filled with lots and lots of happy participants. Every decision we make is based on that notion. Every one. It must be, else we would be digging our own grave. It is basic business, to have happy customers. And I believe you all enjoy PE a lot better with less bugs than with more. We have a whole team designated to only seek up and squash any known bugs.
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OMG i love that one.
maybe i will add it in my singy...
one of the best things i read from you :D
 
You know I had to wade through a sea of dummies while reading this thread! It seems to me alot of people just want loot handed to them on a plate.

Nothing is going to be perfect the first time out. I have a programming background, and I know for a fact aht errors creep in anywhere and everywhere, saying you should test it before its released so bugs never appear is absolete poppycock.

In a large program such as a this to test and find ALL the bugs would take a lifetime. I have played and worked with many games, all of them come across errors when releasing updates. Get used to it.

Some of the whining is worse than that that I encounter in the schools I have worked. You have 100people all with 3 more degrees than I have (I have none) All of them whine like babies when you change even the smallest thing... an example of this....

"Help help I have got a wierd icon on my desktop i want it removed now!"

Now they where the ones who insisted on this program being installed but complain because it adds a new icon...

Yes there are problems, yes there are bugs...
Report them and be patient
Discuss them by all means, but for the love of Lootius... pick up your dummies and stop crying!
 
vOiCeOfNiGhT said:
So can we please get answer whether these are bugged or not? In the meantime I will file a support case.
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Read what MArco said just under it...
He said its correct, effective but expensive.
 
Redoaks said:
Read what MArco said just under it...
He said its correct, effective but expensive.
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Yep, noticed and edited. +rep
 
vOiCeOfNiGhT said:
Yep, noticed and edited. +rep
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:)
might have jumped the gun a bit on you.
I was having a little rant though :D
 
Thanks to Kerham for starting the thread.

And thanks to Marco for making an official comment.
 
Marco|MindArk said:
It has the correct stats. It is effective but expensive.
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i dont think it is effective since it has a horrible reload - by the time you can start shooting you usually get hit again. I find that (i think i can call it a fact):

I can put two-three EK2600 and get 70-120 (for 27pecs) points faster then one click with delux that wont give me a full 100. So EP2600 is more effective and a lot more cheeper.

I have one but used it just a few times due to it's Inefficiency (ineffectiveness:dunce: ) not the cost.

imo it is not balanced well - it should reload faster (good for emergency at any skill level) or give a full heal all the time (good for low med skills).

so this way it would be efficient, now it is just reducoulusly expencive.

Marco please take that into concederation!
 
i thank marco for MA stepping finally out within this issue, fact is that i still don't like that "a bug" was fixed after 1 and half a year after a axes were introduced and without prior notice to us, somewhat against eula. still luv u guys, makin the best game there is.

and kuckles i still dont like u, DD... i like u, u are just ahole sometimes ;)
 
Thanks to Kerham for starting the thread and thanks to Marco for comming in with some facts on this issue. :bowdown:

The Axe was bugged, it isn't going to be changed - I don't like this - but now I have firm information (not speculation) I will live with it and get on with the game.

Hmm perhaps we can all calm down now and get on with the game - without any more flaming! :grouphug:
 
gurkha said:
I agree! :dunce:
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dont ask for a lock then , just stop to bump the thread.
why thread can not just been forget.
then if new info or what ever come , people can add it.
no need to lock evrything all time.
if you feel you dont got anything interessing to post then just dont post.
 
Etopia said:
dont ask for a lock then , just stop to bump the thread.
why thread can not just been forget.
then if new info or what ever come , people can add it.
no need to lock evrything all time.
if you feel you dont got anything interessing to post then just dont post.
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I posted something different, then decided against it, so quickly stuck that in instead ;)
 
There is nothing more to be added. There will be no new info, anything from now can only be spam. Locking is good. :locked:
 
DaveJ said:
There is nothing more to be added. There will be no new info, anything from now can only be spam. Locking is good. :locked:
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so because you whant that thread get locked you spam it...
pretty imature , if i could i would lock you for trolling.

you dont know what will com in future , you are not nostradamus.
i dont like see thread locked in that forum , since we are alowed to only 1 thread per subject ( i dont blame rules ).

i hope you will understand and dont come with a ridiculous spam again , thanks
 
all this means is, many of us were correct in our thinking about the effects of the axe on the ingame economy.

marco said, there will be no repercussions against those who used this item which was 'bugged.' this clearly implies that this weapon was too good, due to a bug or error or whatever (i dont consider it a bug either) giving it high economy, and now MA is tightening things up again. pretty simple. theres no deep mystery here, ppl. a low end item having insane economy is nice, but wrong =D

i admit i never thought they were bugged. yes i knew that 1x0's were the only axe with elec dmg. i noticed this when i started, i passed my discipleship with longblades, chasing cornu with axes. but i figured this was just some love from MA, giving the noobs just one good weapon to use, financially speaking. after all, nothing else about it is that great. 29 dmg? big deal. not gonna kill any trox alphas with it. and, axe 1x0 is slow and boring. very cumbersome weapon.

MA should be glad that so many ppl hunted argo with rascal and axes, which became legendary as one of the very few ways to avoid losing your shirt. melee sux and just makes for more decay when you use that style of hunting. because, come ON, any time you have to run right up to the mob to hit it with your 5m range weapon is gonna result in lots of fap/armor decay.

meanwhile, lots of players around here, normally referred to as uber, stand safely at a distance from that wargen5 and kill it with their camo jungle before it ever hits them. hm =D

whens the last time you saw starman running around owning mobs and getting uberhofs with an axe? an axe is a noob weapon. no big deal.

when did 4.28 dmg/pec (the new economy of axe 1x0 apparently) become bad? thats pretty good economy. one of the cheapest ways i can think of to get that economy or better is mdx4+dante, which is also 4.28 when you have the dante on it. and you can buy both right now for about +750 total. costs a little more than an axe. so are axes still good? yeah, basically.

even i gotta admit, ppl are pissing and moaning too much, complaining about a weapon which still has good dmg/pec even after they 'fixed' it.

but marco, you better not "fix" my DOA, or ill be pretty damn pissed off, its just fine as it is =D
 
right crys good post :)

i just use axe 2x0 now i luckily bougth 2 more and it gives me

enuff time for a decent hunt with 3 axes and 4.42 dam/pec :)
 
ranged weapons and melee weapons are not equal...thats is the broblem... old 1x0 was wery nice to have when using almost melee only...and it wasnt so wery good weapon... the old golden rule stated that u should be able to kill whit 6 hits or under.... i couldnt kill argo youngs whit 6 hits by using 1x0... :rolleyes:

maybe all melee people just have to start using rifles....lets make em bugged by heaavy use :(
 
nice post Crys, u are right again as always ;) and after coolin off, have to say and like crys pointed out, 1x0 ain't that bad weapon after the "bugfix", it is just normal instead of superb.

happy choppin guys n' gals.

*goes sharpening her kat deter* :kos:
 
I don't fully agree with you Crys,

Yes, the axe is a low end weapon, no big deal.

No, the 1x0 is not the only axe, which does electric damage, remember the artifact axe ? But okay, it probably was a glitch in the MA system, since none of the other ?x0 axes.

In your last line you've said the magic words...

Now the axe has been devaluated almost 20%, what if your beloved DOA is downgraded 20% next ?

I rest my case. I agree, it's only the axe and as long as it stays there, I'm cool with it ( and take the loss on all axes I've bought, before the VU changes ). Then again, maybe it's a bug all mobs do 20% too few damage and have 20% less HP then intended...
 
I still disagree when it comes to using damage per pec as a criterium to judge the 1x0.

When using one, your average damage will/would be all over the place. Max damage compared to decay just won't hold up as a valid comparison. I discussed this thing with Sarah before when she released the average damage sampler, and there's no way axes were the most economical weapon in game.

I will admit the possibility to hit 25+ damage DID make it a nice choice, but how often has any noobie consistantly done that much? Heck, again: 2600+ LB atm and my damage interval:

6.9-24.

Cobra ME (whip at 1650+):

17.1 - 22

I hunted with 1x0's after the update, and return loot was disgusting. As soon as I switched to the cobra ME, however, i started getting decent loot. Nothing spectatular, but at least something.

I still feel that the axe was not a bug, but rather a feature. Similar to the adj/imp/mod faps. They are far too economical. The gap between those and everything else is far too big. Again, nerfing axes affected hundreds of people in the game. They most likely paid TT + 3 (not a bad price before the VU) for a full TT one. That's a LOT, considering the full TT is 7. The few people who own MOD faps are a fraction of the average playerbase, but they are far more advantaged than most people.

Yes, they are imp, adj, mod. But they still give waaaaay too big an advantage. And MA is at a deadlock there. No matter what they do, the outcome will cause people to curse, scream, leave, or sue. If they nerf the FAPs, those who spent a fortune getting them will scream foul play. If they release an intermediate FAP for everyone else to bridge the gap, the imp/adj/mods will be worth less. Someone said it took balls for MA to fix the Axe "bug". I agree. It caused quite the controversy, that's for sure.

If they REALLY have balls, though, they'll follow through and fix other items as well. Input welcome. Notice I calmed down a LOT from my last few posts on the issue ;)
 
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