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dbelinfante

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Lately there've been a few posts about how bad the 8.2 VU was, MA's follow-up which was also found wanting by many, and the issues remaining to be addressed like incomplete TP lists when you open your map, soc chat being diabled so it seems you've been kicked out of your soc, increasing lag-like effects when you've been online a while, etc.

I parttake in these threads, and I speak my mind. I supply facts. And I show my appreciation for what MA does right, and dislike for where they screw up.

For this I get rep. When it's positive (which is most of the time), it is ususally shown in the thread below.

And when it's negative (not often, but it happens), the person giving the rep does not take part in the thread, but simply gives me neg rep, with a comment which only shows he hasn't even read the thread, or simply doesn't like my tone (which is never over the top or any more rude than thousands of other posts).

I can take the neg rep. I check the posts from the person who gave it to me, and it becomes very clear what type of person it was.
But what is even more telling is that they don't have the guts to post in the thread with an acual response, plus their giving me neg rep. Because they'd get chewed by many other posters.

I never gave neg rep before, but following Chainfire's advise, I now automatically give it back. It is too easily given by people who choose not to think or read but react on impulse. I feel neg rep should be published, so other posters have a chance to show how THEY feel about it. As it is, it is nicely anonymous, you get to criticize or even "damage" another member, with the worst that can happen is, that person neg reps you back.

I think these cowards would think twice

please comment.
 
I'd like to be able to see everyones reps... Like you get on eBay :wise:
 
You wanting a system like Ebay? Where you can reply to the neg rep and have it removed if both parties agree?
 
I know the feeling..

dbelinfante said:
Lately there've been a few posts about how bad the 8.2 VU was, MA's follow-up which was also found wanting by many, and the issues remaining to be addressed like incomplete TP lists when you open your map, soc chat being diabled so it seems you've been kicked out of your soc, increasing lag-like effects when you've been online a while, etc.

I parttake in these threads, and I speak my mind. I supply facts. And I show my appreciation for what MA does right, and dislike for where they screw up.

For this I get rep. When it's positive (which is most of the time), it is ususally shown in the thread below.

And when it's negative (not often, but it happens), the person giving the rep does not take part in the thread, but simply gives me neg rep, with a comment which only shows he hasn't even read the thread, or simply doesn't like my tone (which is never over the top or any more rude than thousands of other posts).

I can take the neg rep. I check the posts from the person who gave it to me, and it becomes very clear what type of person it was.
But what is even more telling is that they don't have the guts to post in the thread with an acual response, plus their giving me neg rep. Because they'd get chewed by many other posters.

I never gave neg rep before, but following Chainfire's advise, I now automatically give it back. It is too easily given by people who choose not to think or read but react on impulse. I feel neg rep should be published, so other posters have a chance to show how THEY feel about it. As it is, it is nicely anonymous, you get to criticize or even "damage" another member, with the worst that can happen is, that person neg reps you back.

I think these cowards would think twice

please comment.
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I know the feeling. Neg rep with no actual explanation to what they disagree on and no post from them in the thread the neg rep was given for is rather annoying. Its almost like they just negrep for the fun of it.
Fortunately for me people that just negrep without posting dont have much effect on my rep counter, but its still annoying. And really, if whats posted is something you totally disagree on, you should post why and maybe even consider not negrepping either. Negreping should be saved for posts that is "out of line". It should be allowed to have different opinions than others and thats what forums are for.. to discuss them. If i insult someone, go on a trolling spree and so on, thats when negrep should be applied, not when you just disagree with the opinion of someone..
 
jonboy said:
You wanting a system like Ebay? Where you can reply to the neg rep and have it removed if both parties agree?
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No, I would like it that you can only give neg rep in public, so the rest can see that you did it and why. That way, you'll take care not to give neg rep unless you're sure there's a good reason for it.
 
I completely agree, it seems that most people who neg reg try to hide about it. Not much point if you are just going to click a few buttons and not say why.

+rep to you for bringing this up
 
dbelinfante said:
No, I would like it that you can only give neg rep in public, so the rest can see that you did it and why. That way, you'll take care not to give neg rep unless you're sure there's a good reason for it.
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Maybe go one better and have it so you can only rep someone if you have posted on the thread itself?

Might lead to more spamming tho.
 
You kinda do

acaffrey said:
I'd like to be able to see everyones reps... Like you get on eBay :wise:
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You kinda do.. Its posted on the left hand side in the white field ;)
But you cant see the comments of course.
Being able to give negative rep only to threads you reply to could be nice too, then youd kinda have to state your opinion.
Positive rep should be possible in all threads to avoid the 2 word posts saying nothing but "i agree" or similar without any explanation
 
I just proved you wrong.. -neg reps for you!

To be honest who really cares? most of the neg reps I got seem to be mistakes.. (neg rep with a positive comment).

:laugh:

VV
 
Hm .. I think people are also cowards if they don't dare giving neg reps, if they really think it's needed. because they are afraid to get back a neg rep? And sometimes I have had pos reps were _I_ even wondered if that was for the sake of my brown eyes only? (not that I write a thread to complain about it :D ). I once got a neg rep - and I didnt respond on that. My thought was just "oke - this guy did not agree with me, fine". Since I know we are individuals with different opinions about things, I feel no need to "give it back". Then it could be a neg-rep fight that never ends! (*G* the guy wrote me 1 day later though and told me it was a mistake :rolleyes: )

I do agree, though. Both should be given with a little bit more thoughtfullness - and especially the neg reps, because it IS negative and its not nice to know people are disliking what you write, if you dont know their reasons for it! And again i DO agree, that if you DO dislike it that much, you can neg rep it, you might have an opinion about the issue, you could reply as a supply to the neg rep?

BUT - we DO have a rep system and it is there to be used if we agree or disagree with something. But some people unfortunately dont understand how to use it - and others are using it for the purpose of "hurting" others too! And as long as we have the rep system, you cant prevent that!

But then again - isnt it all just for fun?

.... waiting for the neg reps (please include a cute comment *G*)
 
i think i only had one -rep and that was for me making fun of the robots giving Stryker PMS, there was no comment so it was left up to my imagination to work out why they -rep'd what I said which all in all was quite fun :)

if they were made public on each thread along with their comments then it would end up making the initial posts really long. i like them being anonymouse except to the receiver as it feels nice to give someone a +rep but not make a big deal about it in the thread.
 
Lykke said:
BUT - we DO have a rep system and it is there to be used if we agree or disagree with something.
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But IS it for just disagreement? What is the point of arguing, if you can just neg rep someone, in effect voting yes or no in this way?

neg reg = negative reputation. This is not something a person should be awared by you just because you disagree with him.

Abuse. Spam. Scam. All reasons for neg rep.
Disagreement. Not.
 
Its the fact that it is labled "reputation" that is the biggest issue. Most of these type of forum mods are called 'karma' etc.

when its labled Reputation, it kinda gives people the impression that it is summing up what you are like as an individual as well as your trustworthyness.

Add to that fact that this is the biggest PE forum and the casual onlooker can easily assume this number/rating represents your reputation within PE.
 
How about, like how the 'Gratz' system works, only below each post that someone has given neg rep or pos rep it lists them?

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Why dont you also start a thread about those who give you +reps? I have found that with myself, when things are not going well in PE, I can get very critical, and I didnt usually say anything when something good happened. I actually had to make a real effort to give compliments when they were due. I see you going crazy about -reps, but with 248 posts behind you, I am sure that your positive reps outweigh the negs. I can understand wanting to beat the heads of neg reppers untill they look like broken bowls full of spaghetti, when they neg rep you with no discussion, but really if you are going to criticize them, then at least thank the peeps that gave you +rep with no discussion. Just a thought.




Btw, if that thread starts, I will be thanking peeps, but I cant access my rep while typing this :D
 
The reputation system in principal is a good idea but can be used unfairly or even abused.

Personally i treat everyone the same regardless of their reputation. So the system to me is pointless as it has no bearing on how i interact with that person. As rep can be spread for any post i feel that just beacuse someone has high rep doesn't actually mean they post constructive ideas that benift the forum. Some people have even been +rep for making a joke which takes a thread off topic.

makes no sense to me :dunno: thats why your all equal in my eyes :)
 
Teilk said:
I can understand wanting to beat the heads of neg reppers untill they look like broken bowls full of spaghetti, when they neg rep you with no discussion, but really if you are going to criticize them, then at least thank the peeps that gave you +rep with no discussion. Just a thought.
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It's not that bad Teilk, this is more a case of projection I think... And anyway, I do usually thank people for pos repping me.
 
AkiranBlade said:
How about, like how the 'Gratz' system works, only below each post that someone has given neg rep or pos rep it lists them?
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That would be good, but I would like a comment added as to WHY neg rep was given (the "why" of pos rep is obvious...)
 
dbelinfante said:
But IS it for just disagreement? What is the point of arguing, if you can just neg rep someone, in effect voting yes or no in this way?

neg reg = negative reputation. This is not something a person should be awared by you just because you disagree with him.

Abuse. Spam. Scam. All reasons for neg rep.
Disagreement. Not.
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its not because I totally disagree with you - but what about the +rep system? Some "friends" just +rep each other because, well, they are friends? Or lovers :D ... or some even just "spread around" - so you can say that some here might also be "famous" on false basis!

And I dont quite understand what you mean with "just disagreement"? I guess you mean, that you put a questionmark on peoples intentions for repping (and especially neg-repping)?

If you have the possibility to pos-rep - you should also have a possibility for neg-repping. Personally I have seen posts on this forum, were I thought a neg-rep was well deserved! I do think its more fun to pos rep people though! But even though its not "fun" to be neg-repped, it sometimes might be necessary. And maybe the neg-rep system even make people to think twize when they post? And then again, when seeing SOME posts here, people who dares writing sertain "stuff", should know they have a risk to be neg-repped!

About making it public! I dont really care about what people writes to others in their neg-reps. I care about what people writes in their posts! And I hope that people who might get insulting neg-reps pm's it to MB who can take action. I DO believe that kind of people are rare on this forum! But maybe im just "blond"?

:dunno:
 
dbelinfante said:
That would be good, but I would like a comment added as to WHY neg rep was given (the "why" of pos rep is obvious...)
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if its shown for - it should be shown for + as well
 
dbelinfante said:
That would be good, but I would like a comment added as to WHY neg rep was given (the "why" of pos rep is obvious...)
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Sorry, I meant to say, 'In Addition'
 
-rep to you for not having a life and bringing up something as nonsense as me, now could the next guy -rep me for wasting my time on this thread?
 
Harmony. said:
-rep to you for not having a life and bringing up something as nonsense as me, now could the next guy -rep me for wasting my time on this thread?
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Well, at least they told you why they negged you :duh:
 
Lykke said:
If you have the possibility to pos-rep - you should also have a possibility for neg-repping. Personally I have seen posts on this forum, were I thought a neg-rep was well deserved! I do think its more fun to pos rep people though! But even though its not "fun" to be neg-repped, it sometimes might be necessary. And maybe the neg-rep system even make people to think twize when they post? And then again, when seeing SOME posts here, people who dares writing sertain "stuff", should know they have a risk to be neg-repped!
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But why?

The repuation system is just a toy that doesn't really mean anything.
Why not change it so that you just have an option to do nothing or add to someones reputation?
If you don't agree with something etc just do nothing, if you like something give the poster rep.

Would it really make any difference other than to stop people pissing each other off ?
 
in another forum I use daily the rep system works a bit differently. you get to pick the amount of rep to give someone via a dropdown, i only get to see it go from +5 to 0 to -5. other people see larger amounts, im not sure why. the default is 0 which is used quite alot to post a comment on a specific post.

all the comments get posted to the bottom of the post in question which is why i said earlier that it will make the posts really long here. i dont really like the system using 0 as you might as well just make a proper post on the thread instead of a comment that might be missed. the only real thing it does is let the poster know they have a comment on post X, if its a long thread then other subscribed posters wont usually see the comment added nearer the top. i think its just a way for people to post snide comments without getting a lot of -rep.
 
wanda said:
But why?

The repuation system is just a toy that doesn't really mean anything.
Why not change it so that you just have an option to do nothing or add to someones reputation?
If you don't agree with something etc just do nothing, if you like something give the poster rep.

Would it really make any difference other than to stop people pissing each other off ?
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If you dont rep anything it just means you do not DISAGREE or AGREE with something MORE than normally. You have a neutral attitude toward the subject. If you agree more with some posts than others, and you have the possibility to show it by + repping - you should have the possibility to show you disagree with some posts more than normally too!

And yes - it might stop people to piss each other off - but then again, if the neg-repped person could be so mature just to accept that some people disagree with his/hers statements, he/she can be so mature to ignore it and move on! And some people will always be "pissed off" no matter what you do!

And by the way - your first line is the whole issue here: It IS just a toy .. it DOESNT mean a thing! So why even care about it or bother complaining?

Its just my opinion - and the idea above with showing all reps in public is ok with me - removing the whole rep-system is ok with me too. But dont keep only the +rep possiblity because its "nicer" to look at!
 
dbelinfante said:
Abuse. Spam. Scam. All reasons for neg rep.
Disagreement. Not.
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:wise:

Couldn't have said it better :)
 
It does work kinda similar here

Tann San said:
in another forum I use daily the rep system works a bit differently. you get to pick the amount of rep to give someone via a dropdown, i only get to see it go from +5 to 0 to -5. other people see larger amounts, im not sure why. the default is 0 which is used quite alot to post a comment on a specific post.

all the comments get posted to the bottom of the post in question which is why i said earlier that it will make the posts really long here. i dont really like the system using 0 as you might as well just make a proper post on the thread instead of a comment that might be missed. the only real thing it does is let the poster know they have a comment on post X, if its a long thread then other subscribed posters wont usually see the comment added nearer the top. i think its just a way for people to post snide comments without getting a lot of -rep.
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It works kinda the same way here, just that here you give full count positive or negative. The better your rep is, the more your rep counts. Someone with newcomer rep on this forum negreping me would have no effect to me, while if someone with higher reputation rank than me would pull my rep downwards.. a fair bit
 
I think people get way too hung up on the rep system.

If I look at my rep sheet atm, the top 2 are -ve reps.

The first one is from someone calling me a homophobe, because I said I didn't like people who dont have a sense of humour.
The second is from someone who wanted to -rep the guy with no humour and +rep me, but got mixed up. :laugh:

A couple of lines further down I've got a +rep from someone who then adds a paragraph of comment insulting me and finishes with - "Now watch your mouth if you don't want another ban." :eek:

Now, can anybody make sense of that?? :scratch:

I think the rep system is great fun, I love it, but please dont take it seriously.

The reps (both + and -) say more about the people giving them than they do about you. :wise:
 
Ironheart said:
I think people get way too hung up on the rep system.

If I look at my rep sheet atm, the top 2 are -ve reps.

The first one is from someone calling me a homophobe, because I said I didn't like people who dont have a sense of humour.
The second is from someone who wanted to -rep the guy with no humour and +rep me, but got mixed up. :laugh:

A couple of lines further down I've got a +rep from someone who then adds a paragraph of comment insulting me and finishes with - "Now watch your mouth if you don't want another ban." :eek:

Now, can anybody make sense of that?? :scratch:

I think the rep system is great fun, I love it, but please dont take it seriously.

The reps (both + and -) say more about the people giving them than they do about you. :wise:
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But OF COURSE youre a homophobe if you dont share other peoples sense of humor, thats obvious! :wise:
..or not..
 
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