Refiner decay: a moving target?

I have been methodically trying to fill in all the refiner values on the wiki. I tested the tt refiners a while ago using the fruit trick.

Anyway, today i bought an ot-104 and was shocked to find it had higher decay than the values for the tt and 102 refiners that i tested previously. I don't have access to the ot-102 now, but i retested the tt refiner and found that the decay has changed from 0.01031 to 0.02899 pecs/ingot. I'm not 100% sure that i didn't make a mistake, but i don't think i did. Has anyone else been keeping track of refiner decay, and seen changes in the last few VUs?

Edit: PS if anyone has the OT-101, OT-102, OT-103 or OT-105 and would be willing to let me test the decay i will update those values in the wiki.

No it is still the same.
The person who entered it divided it by 3 to get the price per stone.
Which is illogical since the 1 stone can not be refined. You need 3 stones to refine to 1 ingot. So the price for refining 1 ingot is more interesting.

For those who do not not it does not matter what you refine the price of refining to 1 ingot (for ore refiners) is the same regardless of the ore in question.

Same holds for enmatter refiners.

By the way i corrected the MR400 some time ago that decay is correct and has not changed.

As a note Lunar once did a complete test of this and as far as i know the decay has never changed since. I cannot find the link any more. I have the chart as an jpg but it is bigger then allowed to upload here. (If you want a copy pm me your email adress and i will send it) And since it is someone else his/her work i also would be violating copyright. I will give the values on it as text:

MR100/ER100 0.031
MR200/ER200 0.023
MR300/ER300 0.022
MR400/ER400 0.020
OT100/MT100 0.030
OT200/MT200 0.028
OT300/MT300 0.026
OT400/MT400 0.023
OT500/MT500 0.021

By the way have a look at the following post for determining decay:
Guide to determine the DECAY of any item

Cheers
Richard
(ingame Siam)

Yeah i'm using the fruit/dung trick of course.

It appears that the person who i was walking through the test for the OT102 misplaced a decimal because the value we obtained is off by a factor of 10. As for the other tests, i guess i shouldn't do maths after midnight or something; i retested the MR100 and the OT104 and they both match the values in that table. Based on that i have updated the wiki values for the rest of the mineral refiners and ore transformers according to the table values. When i have a chance to retest the enmatter type refiners i have i will update the wiki with those table values if my tests match.

Thanks for that information. The funny thing is, i think i have that table somewheres but because my initial tests didn't match it i assumed it was obsolete.

So to summarize lest my initial post lead to more mass hysteria: Decay on refiners (at least the ore variety) hasn't changed in a long time, if ever.

Just curiosity, whats the fruit/dung frick consist of?
Thanks in advance

EZantonio said:

Just curiosity, whats the fruit/dung frick consist of?
Thanks in advance

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Look 2 posts up and click the link that says "Guide to determine decay of any item"

Lunar's table used to be.. here :

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8607&page=1&pp=10

Imho , we should test for 150 stone,100 enmateur,150 material , like the old number.
It will be more acurate than the price per 1 ingo or 1 energie

Yeah i retested (using 100 ingots as before) and confirmed that the OT-104 and the MR100 are indeed exactly as that table shows. So the extra precision didn't make a difference on those.

We need better tailoring refiners now.

Etopia said:

Imho , we should test for 150 stone,100 enmateur,150 material , like the old number.
It will be more acurate than the price per 1 ingo or 1 energie

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No need for that usually 1 use of an item is enough to get a 0,00001 PED precision which is good enough for most purposes.
(But yes, I also used the 150 for old times sake)

I just use in my displays of information the cost per 150 stones, etc so that the old school boy and girls can get a faster impression of the difference to the old days.

I check the decay of them once in a while to see if anything changes, so far I haven't notice any.

Last time I've checked the MR400 spent 0,01000 PED to refine 150 stones [1 PEC]
(therefore its decay is the same of the old days, but better now because in the old days we could refine 150 for 1 PEC just like now, but if we refined 3 it also costed 1 PEC unlike the 0,020 PEC of today.
Unfortunatly the MR400 is very rare.
The second best choice for you to my knowledge might be the OT500, with it refining 150 stones cost 1,05 PEC.
Which is still 0,50 PEC less than the cost of the TT MR100 (150 stones refining cost is 1,55 PEC)

Like I said in a previous thread if you refine lots of ore/en-matter it is wise to use a better tool than what is offered in the TT.

Usefull links:
OreTransformer OT-105 (And other refiners decay)
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27688

Guide to determine the DECAY of any item
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27036

MG Mighty said:

I just use in my displays of information the cost per 150 stones, etc so that the old school boy and girls can get a faster impression of the difference to the old days.

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ME is old school , so ME need in 150 stone

MG Mighty said:

The second best choice for you to my knowledge might be the OT500, with it refining 150 stones cost 1,05 PEC.

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I guess you mean OT 105

My problem was because PE wiki is a bit strange notation ... It for 100 stone and say 0,021 (1 ingot) ...

MG Mighty said:

No need for that usually 1 use of an item is enough to get a 0,00001 PED precision which is good enough for most purposes.
(But yes, I also used the 150 for old times sake)

I just use in my displays of information the cost per 150 stones, etc so that the old school boy and girls can get a faster impression of the difference to the old days.

I check the decay of them once in a while to see if anything changes, so far I haven't notice any.

Last time I've checked the MR400 spent 0,01000 PED to refine 150 stones [1 PEC]
(therefore its decay is the same of the old days, but better now because in the old days we could refine 150 for 1 PEC just like now, but if we refined 3 it also costed 1 PEC unlike the 0,020 PEC of today.
Unfortunatly the MR400 is very rare.
The second best choice for you to my knowledge might be the OT500, with it refining 150 stones cost 1,05 PEC.
Which is still 0,50 PEC less than the cost of the TT MR100 (150 stones refining cost is 1,55 PEC)

Like I said in a previous thread if you refine lots of ore/en-matter it is wise to use a better tool than what is offered in the TT.

Usefull links:
OreTransformer OT-105 (And other refiners decay)
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27688

Guide to determine the DECAY of any item
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27036

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Indeed the MR400 is rare, it took me 3 months to track one down and put enough money on the table to convince the owner to part with it.

And i checked the decay a couple of times since then to see if it did not chance after a new VU.

Cheers
Richard
(ingame Siam)