Hell to help Olivia.

I think you are missing their point...

1) There is no known cure/treatment to MS, you can not recover from it successfully as it is now.
2) She has apparently tried this before, and it failed, meaning it is useless to try to do it again...


EDIT: I haven't even seen anyone mention the market in EU? :confused:


This would be the second attempt for her, yes.


Are the peds paid to her? Or paid to the surgeon?

Does the charity come from ND's cut, or is this an EXTRA tax?
 
Every disease is more likely to appear if you live in the Northern Hemisphere.
Just like malaria and AIDS; amirite?

You dont want her to recover from MS because she may have manipulated the market in EU? Wow. Thats pretty harsh.
That's an unnecessary assumption.


I like you Magyar, don't go lowbrow on me just 'cause the topic is something sensitive.

Does the charity come from ND's cut, or is this an EXTRA tax?
Read my initial post :)
From what I gathered from the press release, ND doesn't pay a dime for this (if he's even involved, lol). He'll actually profit from it, since extra miners will show up at HELL out of empathy.
 
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What hes doing is promoting his Hell with the lifes of other people. Now im in the mindset omg i want to help her i MUST go there (to his casino) to gamble!
No you don't. There's a donate link on the person's Web site.
 
If it is true, it helps me happy to help her to get that money she needs.:grouphug:

ND I do not trust because we all know what kind of cooperation he and MA have that breaks all the rules we have in the game.:monkey:
 
I think you are missing their point...

1) There is no known cure/treatment to MS, you can not recover from it successfully as it is now.
2) She has apparently tried this before, and it failed, meaning it is useless to try to do it again...


EDIT: I haven't even seen anyone mention the market in EU? :confused:

I know there's no cure. I did some reading on this miracle cure after seeing this thread, and I'm a skeptic. It seems a bit silly. But really thats not my business. Its hers.

This entire thread is about a charitable activity that people can choose to participate in or choose to stay out of. I dont understand what there is to be negative about, or even discuss.

I give props to NDS for allowing something like this to happen through their world.
 
This entire thread is about a charitable activity that people can choose to participate in or choose to stay out of. I dont understand what there is to be negative about, or even discuss.

Let me spell it out for you.

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If all of this is in fact genuine, remember the story of the boy who cried wolf.
 
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Why do planet partners have tax on la anyways.

Good cause, but at same time anyone else feel ND is pulling the pity card for more advertisement?

If he had donated 100% of taxes for periods of time from his asteroid, before his new planet I would not feel this way.

will not lure me there, sold my phone and all will never go back.
 
I don't know why some of are denying that there is a cure, it's a bout a possible "revolutionary treatment" ?.... did I miss something ?.. is the purpose of the fund to get a mircale cure or is to possibly to HELP AN MS SUFFERER to GET OUT OF THIER WEELCHAIR ?.... no known cure as far as I know..... and I know quite a few MS sufferers, as I assess, provide, maintain and repair the equipment that they rely on.
 
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Let me spell it out for you.

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If all of this is in fact genuine, remember the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Maybe your right...maybe your wrong. It could all be a lie...maybe it isn't. don't be so quick to refuse compassion toward a particular circumstance.
 
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I hope things work out well for Liv and she gets any help she may need :girl:(regardless of some peoples opinion), you can choose to partcipate or not...the choice is yours. Still in awe of how some are flaming this thread and someone in real need to basically survive. :scratch2:

If you have you own personal doubts...here is one of many links which help explain the procedure:

http://liberationtreatmentccsvi.com/2010/04/the-‘miracle-cure’/

Decide for yourself to help or not.

Good day,

Tiny
 
Let me spell it out for you.

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If all of this is in fact genuine, remember the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Thanks. This is exactly what I was referring to earlier when I asked if people didnt want her to recover from MS because she may have done something in EU.

EU = Game.
MS = Real Life.

If she has it and someone is working to deny her treatment, well, thats unforgivable.

If she doesnt have it, and is trying to swindle people out of money, that is also unforgivable. The Boy Who Cried Wolf works both ways. Putting too many false alarms out saying "Dont trust this person" makes people look overzealous and vindictive. What happens when a real scam happens?

IMHO what should be done is the following:

If a person doesnt trust her, dont participate. Say nothing. Then if she is ill, well theres no foul. Its OK to be a skeptic.

Since this is a real life issue let the real life authorities deal with any allegations of potential wrongdoing.
 
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Not that someone misunderstands what i said, im all for helping her ofc, i just don't wanna help her through a promotion action i deem morally incorrect. Im for donating to her directly through her page. Thats my opinion.

People calling her a scammer should beware, discrediting people without prove can as well be sueable.
 
Thanks. This is exactly what I was referring to earlier when I asked if people didnt want her to recover from MS because she may have done something in EU.

EU = Game.
MS = Real Life.

If she has it and someone is working to deny her treatment, well, thats unforgivable.

You are twisting my words in order to try to make me look like a monster, as you so often do.

If she genuinely has MS then I hope she finds her miracle cure. But she must understand that people may be dubious or cynical because of her previous actions. I'm sure you are familiar with the story of the boy who cried wolf, and know that it doesn't end with the villagers ganging up on the shepherd boy and killing his sheep.
 
I am not twisting your words Oleg. You said what you said.
 
You are twisting my words in order to try to make me look like a monster, as you so often do.

If she genuinely has MS then I hope she finds her miracle cure. But she must understand that people may be dubious or cynical because of her previous actions. I'm sure you are familiar with the story of the boy who cried wolf, and know that it doesn't end with the villagers ganging up on the shepherd boy and killing his sheep.

I don't see any twisting, I thought that you of all people may have worded things a bit smarter.
 
I hope things work out well for Liv and she gets any help she may need :girl:(regardless of some peoples opinion), you can choose to partcipate or not...the choice is yours. Still in awe of how some are flaming this thread and someone in real need to basically survive. :scratch2:

If you have you own personal doubts...here is one of many links which help explain the procedure:

http://liberationtreatmentccsvi.com/2010/04/the-‘miracle-cure’/

Decide for yourself to help or not.

Good day,

Tiny

If it was legit there would be stories all over the news about MS CURED BY SIMPLE TREATMENT!
It may help, some very small perchantage of people who (for who knows what reasons) has MS.

Just the same if I dial a 1-800 number and order the latest television wieght loss pill of the week.


She had the procedure.

It didnt work.


I am very sorry that it had failed, as i was rooting for success myself.
Yet if you try, and it failed. Then it failed. IT will not work.

Its a shitty situation. I have family with MS/Fibro.


My new favorite miracle cure they have out now is a pill.

This pill is Ecstasy. No joke.... Giving people in-curable deseases hardcore drugs to "cure" them (Get them high).

Of course they feel better on Ecstasy.
 
If it was legit there would be stories all over the news about MS CURED BY SIMPLE TREATMENT!
It may help, some very small perchantage of people who (for who knows what reasons) has MS.

Just the same if I dial a 1-800 number and order the latest television wieght loss pill of the week.


She had the procedure.

It didnt work.


I am very sorry that it had failed, as i was rooting for success myself.
Yet if you try, and it failed. Then it failed. IT will not work.

Its a shitty situation. I have family with MS/Fibro.


My new favorite miracle cure they have out now is a pill.

This pill is Ecstasy. No joke.... Giving people in-curable deseases hardcore drugs to "cure" them (Get them high).

Of course they feel better on Ecstasy.

Again I say... IT'S NOT ABOUT A CURE, IT'S ABOUT A TREATMENT.

Cure... Treatment... 2 very different things.

Faye Ranpha.. you neg rep me for this?... i'm supporting a scammer?... I express my first hand experience and knowledge of MS suffering. Get your head out of your arse.
 
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Again I say... IT'S NOT ABOUT A CURE, IT'S ABOUT A TREATMENT.

Cure... Treatment... 2 very different things.

Alright fine. The Treatment did not work.

Better?

Honestly i could care less about how Olivia is getting cash right now.


What gets my attention is how ND and MA are "Escrowing" and taking cash from participants to pay for this.

Again, i ask.

Is this from ND pocket?
Is it and "Extra" tax?
 
Cannabis is understood to greatly relieve the suffering of MS patients in over 55% of cases. However it's not a Cure, and $15,000 seems like Alot of pot...

I too am suspicious of "Miracle Cures", and if she's had the procedure before and it didn't work, I'm surprised she wants to throw good money after bad, but I imagine in that situation you'll try Anything.
 
I've been thinking about concepts for doing game development for charity for a while now. It seems to be a logical move to me since all other creative industries do it like music and films. However the NDS approach seems to be very illogical to me personaly. Say I calculate I need to make the game cost 2$ to cover the development costs. The NDS approach seems to be to make it cost 3$ then to let 1$ go to charity. I say that since hell didn't have any taxes when I went to HELL a few days ago. However the right approach seems to be to make it still cost 2$ but live in a bit smaller appartment to be able to still get it done even when a part goes off to charity. So evectively some of the hours of work for the development will be unpaid charity work. Then IF it's worth playing and many ppl buy the product the reward would be that many ppl get to see your game since some might end up pushing the button for charity reasons. Needless to say that this would make it worth your while and the increased ammount of turnover might even lead to making the same money as it would have been without the charity work hours. In the HELL case I feel it's not the developers who take the money risk but rather the customers. Sorry but that does not seem very charitable to me.

PS: I love the idea of making a game area called "hell" and using it for charity. Awesome! :yay:
I just don't like the concept of how the charity part is handeled... but maybe if we got more informations I could change my mind. Knowing ND and his failures in communication I suspect we will not get them however.
 
Thanks. This is exactly what I was referring to earlier when I asked if people didnt want her to recover from MS because she may have done something in EU.

EU = Game.
MS = Real Life.

If she has it and someone is working to deny her treatment, well, thats unforgivable.

If she doesnt have it, and is trying to swindle people out of money, that is also unforgivable. The Boy Who Cried Wolf works both ways. Putting too many false alarms out saying "Dont trust this person" makes people look overzealous and vindictive. What happens when a real scam happens?
So if I scam people anonymously on a plane, people shouldn't take this into consideration when I plead for money for some HIV break medicines. After all, if it was condoned anynymously and in a different setting than I live in, it should just be disregarded.

Not informing people about a known scammer's past when the very same person is asking for money (in ways which seem very dubious), and even calling people out for doing such, just seems very immature to me, to the point where it nearly pisses me off. Good trolling son.
 
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I don't know Olivia at all, but wish her well if she is suffering from MS and desperate to try a treatment that gave her relief before, even if not permanent. I also didn't know Tamn when he was ill and a fund raising drive on the forum got started to help pay for his treatment, but that seemed to work out ok, even though it also had a lot of controversy going around it.

All of this struck a chord very strongly with me personally, as someone who once upon a time attempted to do a series of ingame events that raised funds for real life charities. I had hoped at some point in future to pick that up again, but things within EU haven't been right for that for me yet, so maybe in future. I did those few events on CND with the help and sponsorship of ND (who already had a Save Reality Go Virtual fund in place back then, with a portion of CND taxes going to an animal charity) and many others, and we raised a decent donation for several charities in the process before I had to leave EU for personal reasons and could not carry on with the events. Understandably some were always skeptical and I did the best I could to show receipts and evidence of the donations etc, we even got a certificate of appreciation to the 'Players of Entropia Universe' from the cancer charity we supported with an event. Whatever is going on now with ND's reputation, doing this kind of thing then is not new for him for what it's worth.

However, I instinctively knew that while giving to charities would raise some controversy, and some skepticism, to have attempted to do this for an individual would have been far rockier ground, and I was not and I don't think ever would be brave enough to take that on like ND has in this case, as it would have meant exposing a lot of that person's life in order to provide 'proof' of the illness, proof of where the money was going etc. I'm not judging in any way any of this situation either, just saying I wouldn't have done this myself in my charitable fund raising efforts, as it did have a lot of open doors to be questioned reasonably.

Interestingly, at the exact same time I was doing those events, including one for cancer research, I myself was ill and finally diagnosed with a supposedly terminal case of cancer. The thought of somehow using my events or my ingame 'contacts' to raise money for my treatment never crossed my mind, instead, I sold out, left and in the end also chose a radical and unusual treatment to try to stay alive. It cost me everything, but it worked, and in that sense I don't regret basically having to start my life all over again with nothing to show for all the years of work before that.

Sorry to ramble off this way, as I said this whole subject struck a chord on a very personal level. Clearly the potential has always been there for folks playing in a RCE to do beneficial things for the real world and real people, and I hope to see more of that, just hope something can be designed that will leave such efforts less open to worries about legitimacy. In that regard, what struck me the most in all of this at the moment is the information that MindArk itself is willing to be involved and hold an escrow account for this 'event'. They didn't do anything like that back when my 'Save Reality' events were around, which is a shame, would have helped a lot of the sceptics I suspect? I know MA later offered to occasionally sponsor some events if a promoter convinced them to help out, like WoF for example, but this is something much more complicated, and frankly I'm surprised they agreed to get involved that way, as it is a lot of extra work for one or more employees at an already difficult time, and it sets a precedent as what grounds would they have now for denying the same service to myself or anyone else in future doing RL charitable events?

Anyway, best of luck to Olivia in getting better, and well done to ND for trying to help, nothing more one can say really without knowing more intimate details.
 
If it was legit there would be stories all over the news about MS CURED BY SIMPLE TREATMENT!
It may help, some very small perchantage of people who (for who knows what reasons) has MS.

Just the same if I dial a 1-800 number and order the latest television wieght loss pill of the week.


She had the procedure.

It didnt work.


I am very sorry that it had failed, as i was rooting for success myself.
Yet if you try, and it failed. Then it failed. IT will not work.

Its a shitty situation. I have family with MS/Fibro.


My new favorite miracle cure they have out now is a pill.

This pill is Ecstasy. No joke.... Giving people in-curable deseases hardcore drugs to "cure" them (Get them high).

Of course they feel better on Ecstasy.

If it will not work, then what are they doing overgoing the same? Im with Oleg on this.

and by the way if you look into MDMA you will find it has CURED PTS in the past and treated so much more, dont be ignorant when adressing "hard drugs" merely tools which can be used to favour a certain outcome.

Do we all get a Charity when we get ill? I have many friends and faimly members that could use some dome tax to get better :rolleyes: if infact this is the second round.. sorry for my lack of empathy but it falls short on hunman nature
 
I know Olivia since a few and don't know her very well yet.

In my RL, i'm musician (amongst other habilities) and making some documentaries for television. I made a lot relating musicians lifes/shows.
During those video editing activities, I skilled up my 6th sense of knowing who is in front of you.

I have a CD from Olivia's music, she's a good singer, she's a good people.

I recently escaped NWO prison on RT and first people i talked to was Olivia, she's been very nice with me.

ND is collecting Hell's peds to give her because this is the thing to be done.

All other speculative posts are just for forum trollers.
 
So if I scam people anonymously on a plane, people shouldn't take this into consideration when I plead for money for some HIV break medicines. After all, if it was condoned anynymously and in a different setting than I live in, it should just be disregarded.

As a person who works in the nonprofit sector with individuals who are drug addicts, HIV patients, homeless, and criminals on a daily basis I can honestly say that yes, this is exactly what you should do, and what decent people do every day.

Its called compassion.

There is nothing "soft" about it.
 
Ya know, this reminds me of:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...ight-for-Aid-to-Japan&highlight=japan+charity

Differences?
1) Known charity projects, which are incredibly easy for anyone to verify
2) No dubious new methods, which are hard to verify
3) Data backing up the need, not just "hai gais I ned monies nao"
and most importantly
4) The people organising aren't profiting from the donators, and show that they themselves are actually putting money into it

Any reasonable person would try to give charity to where it's most likely to fall in good hands.
But to those that rant on and on about how "People should give money to them asking and completely disregard the circumstances", I'd love to see some indication of yourselves donating some cash to this; especially with middlehand not being needed (just give it directly through the site).

As a person who works in the nonprofit sector with individuals who are drug addicts, HIV patients, homeless, and criminals on a daily basis I can honestly say that yes, this is exactly what you should do, and what decent people do every day.

Its called compassion.

There is nothing "soft" about it.
When I have some dough left over and feel compassionate, I give it to the ones I think are most likely to do something worthwhile with it to fix their lives. I don't just look for a highscore in fucked up life, and give that person a prize to compliment it. Needless to say, having a history of stealing just for the sake of greed doesn't rank very high with me.

I agree we disagree on that point, and realise that not much more can be said from my side regarding this.
 
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