My loot theory

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I'll edit this in weeks and months to come. Most of it has been posted several times over the years, there is unlikely to be new information here, and I dont take any credit for any of the (mis)information contained. I may even use it as a reference for myself - think slapping my face around with a wet fish. Or what keeps me going.

I'm aware that this post may stray from talking just about loot theories, ah well - c'est la vie. ;)


If you wish, post and if I agree I'll add it (maybe not straight away - I may mull it over :) ).

Observations

1) Everything you lose in Entropia is noted, and recorded for future reference.
2) When your losses are paid back is random.
3) Entropia attempts to repay / stop you losing more than 90% of TT value over the long term.
4) Lost a lot? Take a week off, see what happens when you return.
5) If one profession just doesn't seem to be working, try one of the other two.
6) You'll have bad days and good days - see 1).
7) Timing is important - or is it? Not sure, some say it is, some say it isn't.
8) Location is important - or is it? Not sure, some say it is, some say it isn't.
9) People making Ped in Entropia tend to be v. quiet on forum, spot them, and copy them if possible.
10) Mark-up is important, whether you hunt, mine or craft, try and sell for more than TT.
11) If its really going badly, there is always chatting, sweating, fruit and stone finding.
12) And trading (although you may be called names ;) )
13) If you see a post from someone claiming to be doing well - see 9)
14) You are paying for entertainment, no subscription. Cinemas, pubs, nightclubs & casinos don't offer refunds.
15) Are you using equipment that you can use at 100% efficiency? Dont complain about losses if not.
16) Hunt / mine / craft within your personal budget. For ex - dont hunt Proteron if you only have 200 ped.






Be aware this thread is under constant revision, please only quote the relevant parts. Thank you.
 
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I doubt I'll need a 2nd post but I'm reserving it, just in case. :)
 
I also think everything you lose is noted somewhere and EU will compensate to the 90% after a while. Nothing new here... but if you think about it, you'll note it makes a lot of sense. Better loot after a brake? Its just the "system" that's paying you back to the 90% after its timed trigger or something. Same with good and bad days.

Oh.... there's a glitch.... all those newbie hofs people are complaining about.....:scratch2:
Can't explain them... or can I?
What if someone just camped a lot (and I mean a LOT) of daikiba just for fun or whatever... and then suddenly hits that one lucky big hof... Those people who complain about this are only refering to Entropia Tracker, wich ofcourse only registrates globals. At this point he looks like a total n00b, but meybe he got him/herself all the way up to 60 agility just bij cycling thousands of peds trough daikiba (or similar)

And/or he/she just hunts really uneco thus losing lots of peds... witch would leave eco overrated. I've tested this myself and I can confirm this is not the case.

Damn someone figure this out....:umn:

Cheers, Sway
 
What if someone just camped a lot (and I mean a LOT) of daikiba just for fun or whatever... and then suddenly hits that one lucky big hof.

There are plenty of examples of people camping a particular mob a lot, and not getting the payoff - especially with new mobs Levi and Prot.

It's a bit like with the Highlander film "There can be only one"
 
1 - Totally Agree
2 - Hmm, let me pick an example, for A payback... explain me for example how could you have hit 3 Argonauts in rather short time if that is payback in such short term
3 - False :)
4 - Done that, False, if you are ment to lose, you just are.
5 - Sometimes it used to work for me, dont know for others now, but now it doesnt for me, so it takes a plausible.
6 - True
7 - perhaps!
8 - Sometimes switching places does changes overall return for me at least.
9 - Some are not! And, what works for an avatar doesnt has to work exactly that way for another.
10 - Yep! Squeeze every penny!
11 - ehrm......
12 - Perhaps!
13 - "people lie"
14 - hmm... I guess so?
15 - The most interesting off them all, because atm, Im doing better overall with a non-maxed gun than actually a maxed one
16 - Totally agree also!

Sorry had to quote some of the post mate! by some i mean, almost all :rolleyes:
Also... I don't mean to be harsh, just argumenting
 
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#5 contradicts #2. If when your loses is paid back is random - there is no need to switch professions.
 
Disagree with the majority of that :) Especially #1
 
Sorry had to quote some of the post mate! by some i mean, almost all :rolleyes:
Also... I don't mean to be harsh, just argumenting

You missed the sentence at the end, it was in red and bold, but fair enough. It's a work in progress, I know this. Thanks for the feedback. I've altered the disclaimer. :)

2) Was in 2009 btw. ;)
 
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Disagree with the majority of that :) Especially #1

Really? Looking forward to your loot theory thread then. Yours will be backed by maths, mine by 5 years of raising my fist in the air. And I may bring astrology into it ;)
 
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You missed the sentence at the end, it was in red and bold, but fair enough. It's a work in progress, I know this. Thanks for the feedback. :)

2) Was in 2009 btw. ;)

lol i didnt missed, but it was easier for me to answer like that :p
 
2009 was almost 2 years ago now, btw. :cry:

hmmm honestly
Its obvious it aint a total big. but its getting close to that
But back then, Loot was more stable than that
 
hmmm honestly
Its obvious it aint a total big. but its getting close to that
But back then, Loot was more stable than that

I reckon 2011 would be a good time to give me another big loot, dont you think? :laugh:

Anyway, we are well :offtopic:
 
16) Hunt / mine / craft within your personal budget. For ex - dont hunt Proteron if you only have 200 ped.

If there is ANYTHING that a new player should take away from this thread, it is this :wise:

Doesn't apply to loot so much other than the fact that you wouldn't be able to kill more than 20 Prots for 200 ped. That is nowhere near enough mobs to get your loot to even out to any kind of expected return. It'd be a VERY large variance in the loot distribution and it would be quite easy to come back with a 30% or less TT return when only killing this many.

I always say you should have enough on hand to kill at least 1000 of whatever you're hunting. More is always better. But this should give you a little cushion to get through the bad swings and so you're not blowing all your money on one or two runs.
 
If there is ANYTHING that a new player should take away from this thread, it is this :wise:

Doesn't apply to loot so much other than the fact that you wouldn't be able to kill more than 20 Prots for 200 ped. That is nowhere near enough mobs to get your loot to even out to any kind of expected return. It'd be a VERY large variance in the loot distribution and it would be quite easy to come back with a 30% or less TT return when only killing this many.

I always say you should have enough on hand to kill at least 1000 of whatever you're hunting. More is always better. But this should give you a little cushion to get through the bad swings and so you're not blowing all your money on one or two runs.

I'm glad you agree, there should be some sort of general "agreement" on how much ped you need on your card before tackling some of these uber beasts. 5 years ago, most didnt exist, Chomper, Dasp and Hogglo were the toughies and they didnt have regen.

Who hasn't seen some newbie trying to kill an Atrox young with a M2a or similar and watched his inevitable death. Those who are busily feathering their own nest havent obviously. Those that were in that situation not so long ago, may fap him for a bit then realise it cant be done and let him die or help him kill it.

I dunno. I do understand WHY MA / SDS had to change certain popular mobs now (didnt 3 years ago) and I do like a lot of the improvements they have made in general in all that time - gateway, missions, mindforce and so on.

So, If I worked for either MA or SDS and read something that could be of use what would it be?

Dont know. Frankly, I'm not in game design.

However, how about some kind of warning system "you do not have the capability to defeat this foe"

That sounds ridiculous to most people, but then I have recently completed Portal 2, which is very different to Portal 1, changes can be made that dont take away from the main game, but add to it.

Anyway, something to think over.
 
5 years ago, most didnt exist, Chomper, Dasp and Hogglo were the toughies and they didnt have regen.

Why do you consider regen to be important?
 
Why do you consider regen to be important?

I have to go by your forum date Mike. Feb 2011.

In Feb 2006, you could kill an Atrox with an opalo with reasonable armor - if you had good hp, no armor.

I think "regen" (and by this I mean health re-added every 5 seconds and not every 20 seconds) was added in 2008. Originally only a few mobs were altered Atrox, Feffoid, Aurli, Kreltin. Later patches altered more from Combibo to Hogglo so that today there is about 50/50 regen mobs.

Those with uber equipment dont mind regen mobs, those without, avoid, or lose and quit fast.

It'd be quite ironic if the changes made the playerbase smaller, made those "with" make more money, and those "without" lose more. That's called epic failure. However, I dont have figures, MA / SDS can report a report at any time and see who is profiting from the changes they make and how many login.

They arent stupid, they can make stupid decisions from time to time, which they dont mind reversing but they make the decisions which are right for their business.
 
I have to go by your forum date Mike. Feb 2011.

In Feb 2006, you could kill an Atrox with an opalo with reasonable armor - if you had good hp, no armor.

I think "regen" (and by this I mean health re-added every 5 seconds and not every 20 seconds) was added in 2008. Originally only a few mobs were altered Atrox, Feffoid, Aurli, Kreltin. Later patches altered more from Combibo to Hogglo so that today there is about 50/50 regen mobs.

Those with uber equipment dont mind regen mobs, those without, avoid.

2005. :)

Regen gets reflected in the loot, so to clarify, you're saying that the armor/fap costs are too high for those players with low DPS?
 
2005. :)

Regen gets reflected in the loot, so to clarify, you're saying that the armor/fap costs are too high for those players with low DPS?

2005, well, you pre-date me by a year, but you appear to have disappeared for quite a while, forum date is Feb 2011. That may mean there is a gap in your knowledge for all the changes that took place on the playerbase.

Feel free to explain what you've been up to, how long you've played. Sadly I've been in-game in one sort or another pretty much every day during those 5 years.

Only reason I say this is, were you around with the massive changes with regen to the mobs in 2008 ish ?
 
2005, well, you pre-date me by a year, but you appear to have disappeared for quite a while, forum date is Feb 2011. That may mean there is a gap in all the changes.

Feel free to explain what you've been up to, how long you've played. Sadly I've been in-game in one sort or another pretty much every day during those 5 years.

Only reason I say this is, were you around with the massive changes with regen to the mobs in 2008 ish ?

I'm not too sure the relevance of my time inside the game. Played a lot between 2005-2007, played a little bit in the following years but not much, been back a lot recently. And as I'm sure you know I've tested a lot recently.

My question is, if regen is reflected in loot, why do you consider this a big factor in people losing a lot of money if they're using low dps weapons? Or are you referring to armor/fap decay?

(and yes, aware)
 
Posted a massive reply and I lost the lot by pressing a key on keyboard by accident. Staggers me that Windows allows that to happen.

I'll quickly restate that players like Star, Skippie, Deathifier, Neverdie (and plenty more too) dont complain about losses.


Pissed off about lost post.
 
Posted a massive reply and I lost the lot by pressing a key on keyboard by accident. Staggers me that Windows allows that to happen.

I'll quickly restate that players like Star, Skippie, Deathifier, Neverdie (and plenty more too) dont complain about losses.


Pissed off about lost post.

Star and skippe for example
Have Highest end gear, maxed skills.
Do you think in long term they lose? ? Because if they lose with the top toys and maxed skills. Its not worth to dream on break even.
Neverdie/Deathifier, I consider them more investors than players at all
They dont need to be playing to actually profit.
 
Star and skippe for example
Have Highest end gear, maxed skills.
Do you think in long term they lose? ? Because if they lose with the top toys and maxed skills. Its not worth to dream on break even.
Neverdie/Deathifier, I consider them more investors than players at all
They dont need to be playing to actually profit.

Unless I've missed your meaning entirely, Mindark could turn the servers off for good and they've made a shitload :money:, and they'd have no cause to complain compared to how much they had deposited.

TBH, a sadistic side of me hopes they would do, but leave the forum up. :vampire:
 
Unless I've missed your meaning entirely, Mindark could turn the servers off for good and they've made a shitload :money:, and they'd have no cause to complain compared to how much they had deposited.

TBH, a sadistic side of me hopes they would do, but leave the forum up. :vampire:

What I meant with Star/Skippie example was
If they cant, no one has even a chanse then.

That i wouldnt be admired! Cheaper to run a forum than EU :laugh:
 
What I meant with Star/Skippie example was
If they cant, no one has even a chanse then.

That i wouldnt be admired! Cheaper to run a forum than EU :laugh:

I really cant follow you, unless I'm missing the obvious.
If the obvious "can I make money with 300hp in Entropia?", then of course you can.

Can you get to 300 hp to make money? then the answer is politely is "do you own a time travel device?"
 
I really cant follow you, unless I'm missing the obvious.
If the obvious "can I make money with 300hp in Entropia?", then of course you can.

Can you get to 300 hp to make money? then the answer is politely is "do you own a time travel device?"

re-read my posts please :scratch2:
Slowly and carefully...
My english might not be the best... but I believe its understandable enough
 
My question is, if regen is reflected in loot, why do you consider this a big factor in people losing a lot of money if they're using low dps weapons? Or are you referring to armor/fap decay?

(and yes, aware)

go kill 4000 itumatrox dominate (about 1200 hp i think) and then go kill 4000 furor theifs (about 1200 hp i think) and then you will know.

kosmos
 
go kill 4000 itumatrox dominate (about 1200 hp i think) and then go kill 4000 furor theifs (about 1200 hp i think) and then you will know.

kosmos

No, don't just make a comment like that. If you're attempting to say something, please just say it. Don't tell someone to go and do a large task and then attempt to understand what it is that you're hinting at.

Explain what you're trying to say, don't give hints and suggestions.

I'm perfectly aware of the regen rates on both mobs, in fact, if you see my stat tracking thread you'll see that I just 20 seconds ago posted the actual regen stats for furor.
 
re-read my posts please :scratch2:
Slowly and carefully...
My english might not be the best... but I believe its understandable enough

It isn't, at least not by me, sorry. I did my best interpretation and I fully understand how hard it is for people that this is their 2nd language. No offence, I dont even understand people from Glasgow on the phone. :)
 
go kill 4000 itumatrox dominate (about 1200 hp i think) and then go kill 4000 furor theifs (about 1200 hp i think) and then you will know.

kosmos

You do very well mining (you got how much narc today? 2000 ish? ) I doubt you understand people losing hunting any more.

Not a criticism but just how it is. You do seem to have had your empathy glad removed at birth though - and this is from someone who saw you landed at Swamp Camp in 2008 and a former friend.
 
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