Should a nodepositer have the same chance?

[mastermesh]

Some interesting ideas here for 'recognising' depositers and for ensuring what is deposited goes to MA and not to a player so adding to the liquidity of MA and, hopefully, assisting with the long term future and development of Entropia.

For example, in addition to the recognition discuused above, I would have thought it would be possible to have a 'depositers TT' terminal where you could buy differing 'levels' of non-tradeable items (or perhaps only tradeable back into the ''depositers TT, or, just maybe, make them non-returnable) that are not available anywhere else in game - maybe even items that could be 'enhanced' by further deposits, thus keeping the funds ''out of the game' as such.

So, deposiiters are recognised, MA gets funds directly, and the spongers, sorry, my bad, non-depositers, get to keep playing for free.

I don't want to see non-tradeable items in game, even if it would get me a free 50dps "depositor recognition" gun.

Didn't they already do this with the mission tokens? You have to have the peds to complete the mission and get the tokens... or at least have the peds to buy them off of auction... Perhaps all they need to do is put better/more stuff available that the mission tokens can be traded in for?

... uh... stuff that is non-competitive vs crafting. Crafting already has gone to crap because of all of the competitive stuff to it that has been put in the general hunting loot pool, etc. ... hmm... maybe need to add better/more different reasons to craft along with the addition to balance it out. You can get the items from the trading in tokens, but to get some amps/plates/etc. on it to make it more eco you have to buy em from a crafter or whatever?

 

[Nikto]

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

At the end of the day, if the likes of the big depositers stopped, the game would slowly go bankrupt. MindArk tried with extra gifts at various holidays, but the value of such gifts was minimal.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

Cheers
Bjorn

Hm, don't you forgot Tier 8?
"Tier 8. Buy MA and set stats whatever you want"

 

[Arrun]

Actually, if all can equally share the HoFs and ATHs, the simple answer is 'no deposit? then no withdrawal'.

Why should any avatar be able to have a negative-balance effect on the game?

 

[ermik]

Actually, if all can equally share the HoFs and ATHs, the simple answer is 'no deposit? then no withdrawal'.

Why should any avatar be able to have a negative-balance effect on the game?

You guys know even asking for limitations will kill this game, right?

Be careful what you wish for, its not quite what you expect.

 

[Arrun]

You guys know even asking for limitations will kill this game, right?

Be careful what you wish for, its not quite what you expect.

So do you believe that people should be able to take money out of the game without putting anything in - the 'negative-balance'?

If so, how does that help the game grow and get better?

...and who's going to pay for that? You? Or me?

 

[Skaffen]

Dippy Osit

No, MA should not compensate for stupidity.

Anyone depositing $100k/yr better hope MA are investing very wisely in a global economy going to the wall. - Since they were stripping tt value from the game when the market was hot... I very much doubt it!

 

[Xen]

So do you believe that people should be able to take money out of the game without putting anything in - the 'negative-balance'?

If so, how does that help the game grow and get better?

...and who's going to pay for that? You? Or me?

I guess you never thought that maybe a lot of people deposit a lot to play and maybe someday get to a point one day where they don't have to deposit or could profit?

You take that away and a lot of people will just quit, if they haven't already.

 

[ermik]

So do you believe that people should be able to take money out of the game without putting anything in - the 'negative-balance'?

If so, how does that help the game grow and get better?

...and who's going to pay for that? You? Or me?

You question the very foundation of what makes Entropia what it is.

Sad part is, if you cant get rich in here, the dreams will die along with the game.

If you went to a casino, and they said you can only take out what you have put in, you think that casino would be successful?

Im not saying EU is a casino, but fact is many people treat EU like one, and that is what pays MA bills AND, the withdrawals of people who are non depo.

 

[Svarog]

Didn't they already do this with the mission tokens?

I don't have problems with non-tradable mission tokens, those aren't even real items - I see them just as a postponed attribute advance, and once you're ready to make this step they disappear and that's all.

Well, this gave me thought that the "depositor's awards" could work as long as they are (L) in use or time.

But better not. The system is ok as it is.

 

[Arrun]

I guess you never thought that maybe a lot of people deposit a lot to play and maybe someday get to a point one day where they don't have to deposit or could profit?

You take that away and a lot of people will just quit, if they haven't already.

...but you have deposited

 

[SpikeBlack]

Actually, if all can equally share the HoFs and ATHs, the simple answer is 'no deposit? then no withdrawal'.

Why should any avatar be able to have a negative-balance effect on the game?

so all those players who deposited to buy big investments shouldn't be able to withdraw a hof or an ATH if they no longer deposit?

What about people who just worked hard and traded or slogged their way through to achieve a reasonable level of success, should they be able to withdraw?

Everyone is equal in EU, change that and you destroy it.

In the UK there's a big web Bingo craze going on, they're offering £20 extra for a £10 deposit. Now obviously you can't withdraw the extra cash but how would it appear if they then told everyone they couldn't withdraw money won using £20 because they didn't deposit it.

 

[Arrun]

You question the very foundation of what makes Entropia what it is.

Sad part is, if you cant get rich in here, the dreams will die along with the game.

If you went to a casino, and they said you can only take out what you have put in, you think that casino would be successful?

Im not saying EU is a casino, but fact is many people treat EU like one, and that is what pays MA bills AND, the withdrawals of people who are non depo.

...as you say, fundamental to what EU is. But no-one goes to a casino and plays for free.

 

[Arrun]

so all those players who deposited to buy big investments shouldn't be able to withdraw a hof or an ATH if they no longer deposit?

What about people who just worked hard and traded or slogged their way through to achieve a reasonable level of success, should they be able to withdraw?

Everyone is equal in EU, change that and you destroy it.

"...no longer deposit.." - so they have deposited then - you miss my point

 

[Piotr]

PPl here sayin who depoed lets say 20k peds and pulled out 200k is 'allowed' to play, but someone who didnt depo but withdraw lets say 1k peds is the cancer of the game? just lol

 

[3-J]

Well maybe if non-depositers have the same chances to loot a ATH HOF thats fine, but MA really needs to reward the players who put money into this game and fund the ATH HOFs.

At the end of the day, if the likes of the big depositers stopped, the game would slowly go bankrupt. MindArk tried with extra gifts at various holidays, but the value of such gifts was minimal.

I would suggest rewards for depositors such as;
Depositing tiers;
Tier 1. $10-500 per year: Random holiday gifts.
Tier 2. $500-1000 per year: 1 point Agility and Stamina
Tier 3. $1001-5000 per year: 2 points Agility and Stamina
Tier 4. $5001-10000 per year: 3 points Agility, Stamina and Health + New clothing item UL
Tier 5. $10001-20000 per year: Tier 3 + UL gun (At least 50dps/eco)
Tier 6. $20001-50000 per year: Tier 5 + UL QUAD
Tier 7. $50000-100000 per year: Tier 6 + UL new spacecraft

If you look at other MMOs, they reward people who take out different levels of subscription with various ingame items. Surely if you deposit in this game you should be rewarded for supporting the system and those who do not deposit.

Cheers
Bjorn

Instead of this, base it off of PED cycled. A lot of players make their PED off of in game activities and investments. Some people just put it all in at once, or spend a lot of time grinding to earn it

 

[Xen]

...but you have deposited

I don't think you understand. The reason to deposit is gone or lessened for some people if they know they can never withdraw more than they deposited.

And what are you going to tell land owners?

And what about that huge lawsuit after implementation?

 

[Jimmy B]

Should a nodepositer have the same chance to hit a hoff as a depositer?

Yes, for any given action (e.g. killing an Atrox) the chances should be, and hopefully are, the same. Obviously though, if the nondepositor has no PED and has to spend weeks sweating, then the depositor will kill more Atrox and so have more chances to hof.

 

[mastermesh]

...as you say, fundamental to what EU is. But no-one goes to a casino and plays for free.

actually... on the contrary, quite a few folks go to casinos just for the entertainment purposes. Sure they may not be dropping quarters in the slots, but there's tons of folks going to casinos to 'play for free'. Many casinos do concerts for free, etc. Some give away refreshments like sodas and popcorn for free out on the floor. I used to live about 3 blocks from a casino. Sometimes I'd just swing by for the freebies if I didn't have anything else to do on the weekend. When the place first opened, they actually gave out free cash vouchers to most folks in the community. There's plenty of folks that play for free in a casino irl. Why shouldn't there be in the virtual casinos like EU too?

 

[Neil Stockton]

The idea of rewards for customers who deposit a lot without withdrawing is a completely different topic. Theoretically, the game loot and play should be their own reward, but it's never a bad idea for a company to show appreciation for its best customers.

On the OP topic of the chance of looting something nice, absolutely YES, every non-depositor should have exactly the same chance of looting everything as a non-depositor, assuming all other variables are the same.

 

[Miles]

Depositing does not make us special. While deposits are required overal to keep the economy growing faster than the rake is shrinking it, it is a Real Cash Economy and all PED's are equal - it doesn't matter who does the depositing. Anything less than PED equality destroys the RCE - and PED equality means no limits on deposits or withdrawals.

This talk of bonus rewards for depositing a lot of cash is the same sort of "reward the rich" crap that increases inequality and limits opportunity everywhere it exists. Or course everyone should have the same chance - based on in game activity, not deposits. MA and PP's job is to make the content compelling enough to induce more people to pay. Feeding the bonus PEDs to striving younger players would do more to boost the overall economy, which will increase the value of rich players investments and holdings. Funneling bonus PED's to the rich will only leave a hollow shell beneath it. It's 'impressive', but it's not sustainable.



Miles

 

[Harmony.]

If MA has to reward depositors there are way easier methods. Like non-tradable skill gaining boost for 2 hours for every 100 dollars deposited. Or something like those old champagne bottles or fireworks, small gestures that hardly have an impact on the ingame market.

 

[dr3w]

While whole world is struggling in poverty, starvation and disney' offensive initiative - they spending money on games.

All depositors should be punished. More they depo - more punishment should be applied.

 

[Vedder]

While whole world is struggling in poverty, starvation and disney' offensive initiative - they spending money on games.

All depositors should be punished. More they depo - more punishment should be applied.

 

[Signed_X]

I do believe that Depositing players should have some kind of extra Perk.
I remember when i first started playing Depositors where awarded with gift items while non depositing players were not. I guess the reason this doesn't happen any more is due to the fact that the planet partners themselves are responsible for the gift items while MA handles the deposits.

I also think there should be a minimum deposit of $10 dollars or so before a player would be allowed to withdraw funds from the game.

But i imagine there are many opinions from both sides of this coin.
Myself i am a Non-depositor (for the most part)

 

[crazy]

Yes, for any given action (e.g. killing an Atrox) the chances should be, and hopefully are, the same. Obviously though, if the nondepositor has no PED and has to spend weeks sweating, then the depositor will kill more Atrox and so have more chances to hof.

why everyone assume the non depo players are broke and have to sweat for days, Star springs to mind!

Why do all the non depo players think it is so wrong that depositing players should get some extra features that you dont? After all your sitting on your ass making money from a computer game, with out paying for it, seems to me you getting a better deal than us haha!

 

[Pedra]

Not sure if I am allowed to post this, but the other to one day be rce has done a reward scheme similiar
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A similiar idea has already been recommended here too:

in that game it is called donations and not deposits, and the reason for that is that you cannot withdraw money from the game.
You can add whatever rewards you want if people cant withdraw anything.

If however you can withdraw the extra money you get (read: online casino rewards) then there is alot of restrictions that makes it almost impossible to accually have any of it left when it is time to withdraw them.

Having an option where MA gives out extra peds or items with value just opens the game up for players to scam MA.

 

[Signed_X]

Why do all the non depo players think it is so wrong that depositing players should get some extra features that you dont? After all your sitting on your ass making money from a computer game, with out paying for it, seems to me you getting a better deal than us haha!

Firstly: please, what makes you think that ALL non depositors are against the idea of depositting players getting perks.

Secondly: i would hardly consider gathering sweat for hours on end at 2 cents an hour making money. Unless of course you dont pay for electricity or your internet connection. The potential to make money is certainly there but mostly as a dream to chase (especially for MOST non depositors)

Rigging the game (in terms of hofs ect.) to further benefit the "high-rollers" is going to benefit the average paying player how?

 

[KlowN]

@ this thread.

So what about people like me that just make single large deposits in rare times for nice investments, guess I don't count as a "depositor" for these free perks lol.

Non-depositors deposit their time & hard work to actually be able to continue in this game. From what i'm hearing in here it seems like people want to get perks for taking the easier way out during hard times and dumping more gambling cash in to continue on their hunting runs lol.

Depositors already get a perk, that perk is better odds. You deposit = you have more PED to cycle = you have better odds to get a big one. Case closed. MA doesn't need to tweak anything to give you an even better perk. It's just basic statistics & probabilities.

 

[slither]

While whole world is struggling in poverty, starvation and disney' offensive initiative - they spending money on games.

All depositors should be punished. More they depo - more punishment should be applied.

Stop wasting your time posting on forums and volunteer for charity work.

 

[Vedder]

I do believe that Depositing players should have some kind of extra Perk.
I remember when i first started playing Depositors where awarded with gift items while non depositing players were not....

Oh, you mean the xmas gifts? Yeah, that's true. But it was just a fun little symbolic present. Wasn't really worth anything, so hardly a 'perk'.

Isn't it still like that? I thought it was.

...
I also think there should be a minimum deposit of $10 dollars or so before a player would be allowed to withdraw funds from the game.
...

Now that doesn't make sense at all. So if you sweat and hit a ATH, you have to deposit 10$ to withdraw 3000$?
Or can you only withdraw what you won? So noone could ever make money?
Nah... Doesn't make sense imo.

why everyone assume the non depo players are broke and have to sweat for days, Star springs to mind!
...

Star deposited.
There are other rich traders who never deposited though.

...
Why do all the non depo players think it is so wrong that depositing players should get some extra features that you dont? After all your sitting on your ass making money from a computer game, with out paying for it, seems to me you getting a better deal than us haha!

It's not just the non-depositors who dislike the idea. Most depositors does too.

Chances should be the same for us all.