Playing less and less...

[Cani Ostro]

Lately I am mostly logging on, seeing a big noob hof and see no point to hunt myself at that day.

Am I fed up? Play too much? Why do I have the feeling I don't receive enough for my deposits and my efforts? *shrug*

Running out of reasons other than waiting for the new eyecandy.

If the mid level fuck up doesn't change after that, EU has a non depositor more that will only leech the sweat from Ambus at Neas. Simple as that.

 

[Naithen]

MA has more where you came from . So unfortunatly they wont notice or care when your

 

[miss_entropia]

Wait... People actually deposit money in this game expect to profit? Why would they do that? Everywhere on this forum you have guides that make it clear that it`s all gambling.

 

[Pauhe Gunor]

do what i do grab an opalo and some med cells and go out and have fun, dont expect to win anything and 50 ped of ammo can go a very long way and you have fun take a few people along and lasts even longer and hunt bigger mobs

 

[miss_entropia]

do what i do grab an opalo and some med cells and go out and have fun, dont expect to win anything and 50 ped of ammo can go a very long way and you have fun take a few people along and lasts even longer and hunt bigger mobs

You would think that now wouldnt you...

 

[LoTeK]

Lately I am mostly logging on, seeing a big noob hof and see no point to hunt myself at that day.

Do you really do that

I always thought there was more than one hof a day,infact i see hofs in chat all day

Do you stay on if it's a well known player that has hoffed when you log on or only noobs

I think you have advanced noob related jealousyitus m8

Get a grip or take a break and reasses your mental state

 

[Thorn]

Try and modify your style of play. Or is it that you only enjoy hunting and are hoping for steady profit? I have always tried to diversify between hunting, mining and a small bit of crafting. Mining seems to be my money maker while hunting gives me sporadic results though I do enjoy it since there is a bit more action. As for crafting I only skill small stuff and make the occasional amps for my own personal use and they sometimes give me a surprise global or hof. Win or lose my PED last alot longer mining as opposed to hunting. But by doing it all I`ve gotten the skills to where I can bounce between professions get decent results. If EU is dynamic than I would guess players should be too. Maybe try some beacons. Gather a team and split any loot over the cost of the beacon. They can take up some time, provide entertainment, get people together and while I don`t see many globals on them you can find a little profit in them. Don`t worry about everyone else. If you are judging your gameplay by the winners than why not go talk to some losers. There are plenty of them. And don`t try to deposit your way to profit whatever you do. The hills and valleys of the loot cycle are bad enough without creating a big void of deposits to make up for. Reassess what you want out of EU and ask yourself if the expectations are practical. Perhaps there are other outlets for your desires and needs. Concentrate on what you do like in EU and balance that with what you are willing to put in, money and timewise to attain those thing.

 

[De Hotte]

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Daer, Cani! I have the help for you! Ive helped many players to find the happiness again!

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...tropia-universe-coaching-ubers-beginners.html

All the best ! Hotte

 

[Lobbe]

Try and modify your style of play. Or is it that you only enjoy hunting and are hoping for steady profit? I have always tried to diversify between hunting, mining and a small bit of crafting. Mining seems to be my money maker while hunting gives me sporadic results though I do enjoy it since there is a bit more action. As for crafting I only skill small stuff and make the occasional amps for my own personal use and they sometimes give me a surprise global or hof. Win or lose my PED last alot longer mining as opposed to hunting. But by doing it all I`ve gotten the skills to where I can bounce between professions get decent results. If EU is dynamic than I would guess players should be too. Maybe try some beacons. Gather a team and split any loot over the cost of the beacon. They can take up some time, provide entertainment, get people together and while I don`t see many globals on them you can find a little profit in them. Don`t worry about everyone else. If you are judging your gameplay by the winners than why not go talk to some losers. There are plenty of them. And don`t try to deposit your way to profit whatever you do. The hills and valleys of the loot cycle are bad enough without creating a big void of deposits to make up for. Reassess what you want out of EU and ask yourself if the expectations are practical. Perhaps there are other outlets for your desires and needs. Concentrate on what you do like in EU and balance that with what you are willing to put in, money and timewise to attain those thing.

Very nice post and I like ur style +rep

 

[Wollongong]

Lately I am mostly logging on, seeing a big noob hof and see no point to hunt myself at that day.

Am I fed up? Play too much? Why do I have the feeling I don't receive enough for my deposits and my efforts? *shrug*

Running out of reasons other than waiting for the new eyecandy.

If the mid level fuck up doesn't change after that, EU has a non depositor more that will only leech the sweat from Ambus at Neas. Simple as that.

Wait... People actually deposit money in this game expect to profit? Why would they do that? Everywhere on this forum you have guides that make it clear that it`s all gambling.

Where did you hear the OP speak of expecting profit?

 

[Yirrk]

Where did you hear the OP speak of expecting profit?

True. The OP simply writes of not receiving "enough" for his deposits and efforts. I strongly suspect he means he's not receiving enough value in relation to the time and money he's put into the game.

I don't see where he's expecting to put in $10 and take out $1000. He just wants what he's worked for and paid for...correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

[Hannibal Starke]

If you are judging your gameplay by the winners than why not go talk to some losers. There are plenty of them.

ahahahaahahahaahhahahahhahahah - i really have nothing helpful to put in here - just really loved this bit of wisdom...

 

[exsolvo]

Well, as usual i feel obligated to put my two pecs in these threads,

And I agree with the OP, as a depositor, one kindof feels that mostly, the ammount of "return" of a deposit feels not only a bit, but alot less than one might expect.

But on the other hand, i think much of this is due to the fact that everything is damn expensive, depositor or not, take a real world example, hunting, you pay say a few bucks for ammo, have a rifle, shoot an animal, and you get a hide, some meat, and a trofee head (which you can have stuffed if you like), but i have never heard of a hunter in real life that spends more money on ammunition per creature than the creature is worth (Dead).

This might be due to the fact that there are too many hunters in EU, hence animal hides have in fact no real value whatsoever (101%? 103%?)

Combine that with the fact that when you kill a specific mob, say, exarosaur, you somehow dont get the same ammount of exarosaur skin every time, you dont even GET exarosaur skin every time, which probably is in relation to that if you use an opalo and shoot a hundred rounds on it, theres no skin left. But hey, you get "animal hide" instead, which is alot more worthless?

But that said, not even if you use a ML-45 or whatnot, kill the exa in one clean shot to the head, can you receive exa skin every time, heres the flaw.

So, say i deposit 500 ped at my level (40prof), that depleats in but a few days hunting with no armor, no fapping, a P5a with no amp or attachments, sometimes faster.

All I have as for advice is, never expect your peds to last more than 1 hunt however much it is, and you wont be dissapointed.

// Exo

 

[Az Bloodz]

I am pretty sure you also have your 90-95% TT return, just track your runs. If it's about the HoFs well there is nothing you can do except cycling more and more PEDs on bigger mobs/using larger AMPs or crafting high end stuff.

 

[exsolvo]

I am pretty sure you also have your 90-95% TT return, just track your runs. If it's about the HoFs well there is nothing you can do except cycling more and more PEDs on bigger mobs/using larger AMPs or crafting high end stuff.

PS: It's been atleast 2 weeks since i saw a return that high on my end, ive been having 20-30% returns max for close to 6 months now (yes you read me right, average 20-30ped return on every 100ped ammo spent), ive even had a few whining threads myself on the matter. And alas, avatars cannot be bugged.

 

[xillonz]

Well, as usual i feel obligated to put my two pecs in these threads,

And I agree with the OP, as a depositor, one kindof feels that mostly, the ammount of "return" of a deposit feels not only a bit, but alot less than one might expect.

But on the other hand, i think much of this is due to the fact that everything is damn expensive, depositor or not, take a real world example, hunting, you pay say a few bucks for ammo, have a rifle, shoot an animal, and you get a hide, some meat, and a trofee head (which you can have stuffed if you like), but i have never heard of a hunter in real life that spends more money on ammunition per creature than the creature is worth (Dead).

This might be due to the fact that there are too many hunters in EU, hence animal hides have in fact no real value whatsoever (101%? 103%?)

Combine that with the fact that when you kill a specific mob, say, exarosaur, you somehow dont get the same ammount of exarosaur skin every time, you dont even GET exarosaur skin every time, which probably is in relation to that if you use an opalo and shoot a hundred rounds on it, theres no skin left. But hey, you get "animal hide" instead, which is alot more worthless?

But that said, not even if you use a ML-45 or whatnot, kill the exa in one clean shot to the head, can you receive exa skin every time, heres the flaw.

So, say i deposit 500 ped at my level (40prof), that depleats in but a few days hunting with no armor, no fapping, a P5a with no amp or attachments, sometimes faster.

All I have as for advice is, never expect your peds to last more than 1 hunt however much it is, and you wont be dissapointed.

// Exo

Clearly for MA to run as a business they just have to make it the case that on average, you spend more killing a mob than you get from it. They can't pull money from thin air. The only reason they can afford to give any of the loot a tt value is because they've set ammo/bombs/probes to have a high tt value, and made it impossible to get them lower than that value. The only way to get them is for someone to deposit*. I don't blame MA for this at all, and I'm not entirely sure what you were trying to do with your analogy, but one should be careful comparing it to real life hunting (since real life hunting uses REAL animals). Maybe you are just saying, the loot value you get back, whilst not being above 100%, should at least be higher than what it is. And yeah, I might agree with you there. Come on Golden Age, haha.

 

[Norbert]

I love summer

 

[exsolvo]

Clearly for MA to run as a business they just have to make it the case that on average, you spend more killing a mob than you get from it. They can't pull money from thin air. The only reason they can afford to give any of the loot a tt value is because they've set ammo/bombs/probes to have a high tt value, and made it impossible to get them lower than that value. The only way to get them is for someone to deposit*. I don't blame MA for this at all, and I'm not entirely sure what you were trying to do with your analogy, but one should be careful comparing it to real life hunting (since real life hunting uses REAL animals). Maybe you are just saying, the loot value you get back, whilst not being above 100%, should at least be higher than what it is. And yeah, I might agree with you there. Come on Golden Age, haha.

A very long replyrant from your end, but yes, you seem to have gotten my point from MY long rant

Im not saying i want to profit from every hunt, i dont even have to profit on 50% of my hunts, a mere profit of say, 1% of my hunts or even less is fine by me, as long as the average return would boost a hella lot, if i was running and getting a return of say, 80%-90% on average, i would be happy, that, with the occasional possibility of still getting one of those nice hofs, would be enough inscentive for me to play along hours on end and not frown upon the loot.

 

[Tree-doctor]

Im hunter irl and we had a speach with a soc mate yesterday night. We were all amazed by the fact that killing a mob irl cost me FAR less $ than killing a mob ingame In plus i got 60kg of meat so its all profit

Just slow ur gameplay. Thats the solution. There is some bad cycles for every players, some have the bravour to continue burning durring those low moments, and some no.

So just spend a lot less, or buy u that to have some fun irl

 

[sndlwood]

Gambling only pays when you are winning. Either except the fact that you are depositing into Entropia to gamble, or learn to play Planet Calypso for what it was originally intended. With the money you are spending you can only hope for some loot that you can either trade or use to craft; and you also get skills.

Despite the tt value or market value of the loot and skills you acquire the overall actual value is somewhere close to even, less the cost of decay which you pay for the use of the software, the regular upgrades and for support. If you can't accept this reality, or you don't think that the return is worth your time and effort then just don't do it.

Calypso is not going to be easy, except for a lucky few who hof big. It's a game of colonist trying to survive in a hostile environment, in a dynamic world with an ever changing economy. You will either survive, or you will fail, some will deposit and take huge gambles in an effort to win big, but most who attempt this will loose big.

I personally repeat the "loose big" process over and over every week, with the occasional "win big" result. I likely am a problem gambler, but for me over all Calypso is safe, clean, fun that doesn't have to cost very much, unless I want it to. In which case, I have learned that I can expect to be disappointed more often than not.

I challenge you to take the same amount of money you spent in Entropia to the nearest casino. I have one a few block away, all flashing lights and noise. Old ladies sitting, pushing the same button over and over again for hours on end. They do it for the anticipation of a big prize, which occasionally they receive. More often than not they loose a lot of money and really should ask themselves if that form of entertainment is really worth the cost.

If you play Entropia like a casino you will easily burn out.

 

[Tekkie]

Ive said many times that the loot system is "broken". Not that I dislike newer players getting a good loot but simply that it doesn't seem as a way to encourage improvement of your avatar.

When a new player can hof 15k whilst at the same time a long term player can lose 200-300ped in an hour it shows the variance in returns is WAY too big to make any sense. Im not saying either over-all loot return should change in the long term, just it should be far more consistant thoughout.

Bring back the days when a global or hof was something special and not what it is today which is a run of the mill event that happens to top up wildly varied returns.

A more consistant loot system would mean you couldn't lose $30 per hour even if you do global (yes ma it happens alot and you are fully aware of it), it would still allow for so called lucky big loots, people wouldnt be scared to play because of the risk, people would be able to budget better, people would be able to see improvements in return as thier avatar becomes more skilled. Globals and hofs would be special as they would more than likely mean a profit run rather than "just something that happens". It probably also promotes team play more which cant be a bad thing.

I guess if you don't like how it is the only option is to stop playing which is a shame because it really doesn't have to be like that.

This isn't a moan, its a genuine thought how EU could improve for everybody imo.

 

[valentin]

I am pretty sure you also have your 90-95% TT return, just track your runs. If it's about the HoFs well there is nothing you can do except cycling more and more PEDs on bigger mobs/using larger AMPs or crafting high end stuff.

International roulette takes 4.5% of the money and giving back to players 95.5% of the money.

This game is considered as high risk gambling game and this game is a non computer games so those who have control of the game has much less chance to control who gets what.


Here i can see ( I am pretty sure you also have your 90-95% TT return ) and MA has full control over the game so they can do what they want if they want it because its a computer game..

Like retroactive rules and give away items.

And in roulette you know your odds here you dont.

 

[Jet Black]

and less, and less, and less...

 

[Miccey]

Somone told me in a nother thread:

It´s all bout beeing in the right spot, killing the right mob, at the
right time...

Im starting to beleive him..

I started grinding Bibos at swamp, did rather well one day. 3x70 ped
runs in one day.
Then a friend turned up and globaled on a bibo young...Damn, i thought, that should have been me..(You know who you are, and im happy for you...
YES im jealous but still happy)...

But still, some mobs cant spell "LOOT" and the ore/matter finders must
be broken all of em...

 

[Az Bloodz]

International roulette takes 4.5% of the money and giving back to players 95.5% of the money.

This game is considered as high risk gambling game and this game is a non computer games so those who have control of the game has much less chance to control who gets what.


Here i can see ( I am pretty sure you also have your 90-95% TT return ) and MA has full control over the game so they can do what they want if they want it because its a computer game..

Like retroactive rules and give away items.

And in roulette you know your odds here you dont.

Don't see your problem, just play roulette if you do like it more and stop whining on the forums all the time. I mean if you really hate Entropia Universe so much why bother with playing it or talking about it on the forums

Of course it has its flaws but you are not stating constructive critic like some other players do you just say "everything sucks".

 

[valentin]

Don't see your problem, just play roulette if you do like it more and stop whining on the forums all the time. I mean if you really hate Entropia Universe so much why bother with playing it or talking about it on the forums

Of course it has its flaws but you are not stating constructive critic like some other players do you just say "everything sucks".

No and yes...I have always said that the graphics are top and the environment in the game is super basic concept is good and I have met many great players here.

but the problem is that it has introduced so many nerf. only during my 3 years here so I could write a book and the balance here is designed these days that it has been difficult to find any goals here ----> Like Tekkie writes.
so where is the logic of the game.

When you still appeal to me .... Then I can say .. I have given the game a chance. I have over 300k in the skill has good gear and soon 5000 globals and hofs in this 3 years so i am active ( and soon i have 2k in Sg skill ) so i love this game and to be here how many players has over 300k in skills and good Sg skills its because i enjoy to be here..
The big problem is ( is not about to become rich ) i dont want that i just want a moderat loot like it was before MA took theres % and you got your fun.

And i feel that i do a important part to MA as a customer in here ( am a good depositor ) not the best.

 

[Cani Ostro]

[...]

Bring back the days when a global or hof was something special and not what it is today which is a run of the mill event that happens to top up wildly varied returns.[...]

Making it a necessity for breaking even on some mobs has taken any excitement out of globals for me.

When I started out I was like "Omg, omg, omg, omg a global, what cool item dropped....YAYYAYAYAY".

Now its like "Hm, ok, one global, lets see if I got ammo back at this point, maybe I should stop for the day."

And there is many occasions where one or two globals aren't enough to even pay for ammo and decay (leave aside markup for L stuff). Plus the removal of good items or rather say gear to upgrade your avatar make any progress kind of obsolete.

So it leaves only skill progress as viable goal. But at this point and with the devalutation of skills because of the great skill events its cheaper to buy the skills with the deposits instead of skilling naturally, simply because it saves the annoyance of counting returns, lol.

So its playing less.

And I don't believe anyone saying "I am lvl 50+ laserblp XXX and enjoy hunting snables for 8 hours a day". Well, maybe the botting people out there, not me.

 

[Dr.D.C.]

It s always your fault, it s always my fault, NEVER NEVER NEVER it is the MA fault, NEVER.

They are just trying to persuade you about.

enjoy.

 

[Cani Ostro]

mostly this game is a loss, its not that addictive for exactly this reason.

thats probably why ppl spend there time posting in here instead of playing and losing peds

Probably its found here

 

[Emilia]

I have also found myself playing less and less, it has actually come to a point where I can't even be bothered to log in and grab a flight down from cnd. When I do it will be to chip out and cash out what is left.

I really do like the game mechanics ect. but for me part of the game is also to hit something nice from time to time. I am not talking about profit or breaking even, but just the feeling that you are not loosing every day and allways.
Before I started slipping away from the game I had just hit lvl 20 prosp and my biggest ore find was back when I was lvl 1 with a tt finder. 288 ped cald.
The last 19 lvls has pretty much been a constant loss for me.

I'm not really complaining but just a bit sad, since i really liked the idea of the game. But i have realised that either I'm not patience enough to keep playing this game...or maybe i'm just not lucky enough.