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BlackHawk said:
Nice car. Crap eco. Beah. ;)
On topic.
EU is verry hard to balance. To balance EU is not about making people happy, but about creating something that will allow as many people as posible to play as long as posible and pay for each hour of play 1$ fee, and in the same time to get if posible loot with a market value that can cover the price of gameplay... Verry hard to do that if you ask me. Some people will loose alot of money. Because the main and most important part of this storry is that the gap betwin what you put in and what you take out is covered by market value... So balancing team can and will create market value and change market value from time to time. And if in theyr calculations you loot oil residue with 100.1% market value, you will expect 0,1% loss on a long period of time. If you loot some other crap oil with 101% market value, you are supposed to get that value in order to break eaven. If you don't, you are the one that pays for it in a way or another. And after many iterations, 1% will become half of your total deposit...
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:scratch2: I do not believe something like oil prices can be that easily controled, i.e., you can control wich mobs drop what, and how often, but it is the market that will ultimately control the %.
So... if your story is close to be right, as inflation goes wilder and wilder, the less items (not oils here) will be looted. And if they are, then expect very low TT returns, as you should be including the market value of everything you got in the end of the run. Oh, wait a sec, this sounds familiar... :laugh:
 
Superhal said:
Buy any gambling strategy book to understand odds and payouts.
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Please supply the proof that EU is run under the same rules/laws? Or even considered as gambling?

Regards

Jack Scudd Samuels
 
Hi, I'm very sad with the game too, i'm in the same situation of sold out all skills, i play for + then 2 years and i note the diference from those days and now, i never got any hof, thats odd, i killed almost all the mobs and never got one bigger then 300 peds, and the funny is it was in exa guardian, after so many atroxs killed... lol It really peesss me off, saw that snables droping 4k or more and having 30% returning in atroxs hunt!!! WTF
Nowadays i hunt low mobs with opalo trying to make my peds run out slow but it's amazing that i still have losses in 70% in the run, with opalo at 10/10, example: take 30 peds of bullets its a lot of time shotting in opalo and bring 8 peds having one single loot of 4 peds!!! someting is going bad in the system, when i use to hunt atroxs, sometimes hapend to go with 200 peds of ammo and bring 50 of return with a single loot of 25 peds!! it's a big joke!!! I still like to play but i didn't deposit anymore only play till my skills and peds run out, i slow in hunt becouse i know that if i play more i go to 0 really quick, so i start to chat more with sic. mates!!! lol


GL to all and it's for sure that something has been changed and i really dont like it, i started to play more poker again!! lol

Lycan
 
Snabble said:
Thats the stupidist comment on this whole thread.

What are you frickin psychic.
There is no way to know what mob pays well or whjat mobs is gonna loot bad. There just is no way to know and no lucky mobs. Its all hit or miss...period
duh
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While I agree there is no way to tell on a mob to mob basis which ones will loot good and bad I do think there is more to just a random hit and miss in EU. I cannot say I am always successful in every hunt/mining trip but I've been playing long enough and listening to those who have played much longer than I have to know when certain areas and mobs might be looting well. Just having that knowledge will increase your chances at breakeven but it in no way guarantees it.

These days I tend to have more self control when it comes to certain areas or mobs. For example if Tsk Tsk are looting like crap I don't blow 600 ped ammo on them I pack up and move to a better location maybe one that is frequented more and tends to have more ped spent and mob churn. Its the same with mining areas if I go to a known field where I usually have success but I am finding squat I move to another field I don't drop 100 ped worth of bombs trying to find something that is not there.

If no matter what I do if loot is just bad I sign off or do something else related to EU that costs me very little to nothing.

EU is ever adapting and while the skill nerf, amp nerf, and loot redistribution VUs hurt the way I played it forced me to change my style or continually loose ped. Prior to those VUs I had no budget I used amped Epsilon all the time and I hunted and mined without abandon on CP and CND. Now I try to be much smarter and stick to a budget. Its much harder to mitigate loss and break even but it can be done. Just use the grey noodle between your ears to figure it out. When I do go out and hunt Hogglos or Aurli its strickly for fun and I know more than likely I will be loosing ped but the more skilled I become and more efficient I become with my equipment the less ped I waste no matter what returns I get.

Some say that skills don't matter but I see a huge difference in the way I started and how I play today. Its just my opinion but skills open more doors to the many options EU has to offer. If you can let go of chasing the EU windfall(ATH, great item loot) like I have done everything becomes a little more clear. Worry more about the day to day of your avatar and ped card and if the windfall loot comes it will, if not well you are playing the most efficient way you possibley can and you will know when to take advantage of the good times, play smart in the breakeven times, and lay low in the bad times.

The grey noodle use it or loose it. lol :laugh: just an old phrase someone once told me.
 
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Ok, at page 17 I gave up.

I am sorry, Scudd, for your losses, in a humanitarian aspect, so to say. I hope these losses didn't affected your IRL.

I always saw you globaling on crafting amps and going in streaks on CND so, probable, amping.

I simply waited this to come. Not in the sense that I wanted, but was predictible.

Just as predictible as Konvicted going away, AkiranBlade getting fed up, etc. etc.

I am amazed that in one thread can be found so many missconceptions about the game.

I will take Witte and Vedder on an island and we shall sink any boat trying to approach :laugh:

Really... oa 101 costs 8 ped tt to craft, but those 8 become 11 due to market price of ores used. OA 101 doesn't have markup. Why so many players craft oa 101 is beyond my understanding (This comes from one who fried his nose, with 10k lost in 1 day, but I learned my lesson).
 
Yirrk said:
I think some people will vehemently proclaim everything's OK even if only 1 mob out of 1000 loots anything at all.
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I agree even with no loots at all some will still say everything is fine and they profit on every hunt
:yay:
 
Lycan said:
i know that if i play more i go to 0 really quick


Lycan
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Thats one of the first things i noticed after loot nerf, the more you hunt the faster you go broke its just reality, i really wonder if thats what MA had in mind with the changes.Its inescapable: go hunt = no peds left - dont hunt = some peds left.
 
Sirhc said:
While I agree there is no way to tell on a mob to mob basis which ones will loot good and bad I do think there is more to just a random hit and miss in EU. I cannot say I am always successful in every hunt/mining trip but I've been playing long enough and listening to those who have played much longer than I have to know when certain areas and mobs might be looting well. Just having that knowledge will increase your chances at breakeven but it in no way guarantees it.

These days I tend to have more self control when it comes to certain areas or mobs. For example if Tsk Tsk are looting like crap I don't blow 600 ped ammo on them I pack up and move to a better location maybe one that is frequented more and tends to have more ped spent and mob churn. Its the same with mining areas if I go to a known field where I usually have success but I am finding squat I move to another field I don't drop 100 ped worth of bombs trying to find something that is not there.

If no matter what I do if loot is just bad I sign off or do something else related to EU that costs me very little to nothing.

EU is ever adapting and while the skill nerf, amp nerf, and loot redistribution VUs hurt the way I played it forced me to change my style or continually loose ped. Prior to those VUs I had no budget I used amped Epsilon all the time and I hunted and mined without abandon on CP and CND. Now I try to be much smarter and stick to a budget. Its much harder to mitigate loss and break even but it can be done. Just use the grey noodle between your ears to figure it out. When I do go out and hunt Hogglos or Aurli its strickly for fun and I know more than likely I will be loosing ped but the more skilled I become and more efficient I become with my equipment the less ped I waste no matter what returns I get.

Some say that skills don't matter but I see a huge difference in the way I started and how I play today. Its just my opinion but skills open more doors to the many options EU has to offer. If you can let go of chasing the EU windfall(ATH, great item loot) like I have done everything becomes a little more clear. Worry more about the day to day of your avatar and ped card and if the windfall loot comes it will, if not well you are playing the most efficient way you possibley can and you will know when to take advantage of the good times, play smart in the breakeven times, and lay low in the bad times.

The grey noodle use it or loose it. lol :laugh: just an old phrase someone once told me.
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I think one thing i have to say about this post and thread is mining has always been good to me, I always breakeven or profit with markups period, never had a losing mining run yet. This thread im my opinion is about hunting strickly.
I enjoy mining and see many more are doing it now but lets face it , its boring as hell. Hunting needs to be fixed. Really what i hear about more than ever is take away the dam 10000000000 ped hofs on all mobs that will increase average loots. The buck will go further and we can all start to hunt again.
its really simple but i feel with mindark we arent dealing with rocket scientists
 
Lycan said:
...Nowadays i hunt low mobs with opalo trying to make my peds run out slow but it's amazing that i still have losses in 70% in the run, with opalo at 10/10...
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Try supplementing the Opalo hunting with Sweating, to take the edge off your losses. Stick to small game Exo, Snot, Daik, youngs to mature, and only kill when the mob is dry.

Do this (and only this) for a week or two to establish your baseline eco and then move up carefully from there paying very close attention to your expenditures. You'll then easily begin to see at what level you start to have unacceptable losses.
 
Snabble said:
Thats one of the first things i noticed after loot nerf, the more you hunt the faster you go broke its just reality, i really wonder if thats what MA had in mind with the changes.Its inescapable: go hunt = no peds left - dont hunt = some peds left.
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Yes the more you hunt the faster you go broke, because unless you profit hunting you will lose a bit for every minute you hunt. But it was like that before the loot nerf. Also you said if you don't hunt you have peds left, but that is assuming you don't mine, or craft.
 
the-unknown said:
I believe that if you play eco with equipment suited to your skills, you will do well - at least well enough to break even most of the time, and even profit regularly.
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i fully DISAGREE here

i tried the eco stuff, hunted only with suitable L guns, L faps and chose the mob i could take down without much problems (various mobs, various times)
the return was quite the same as if i hunted with non L-gear

and all i see is socmates with half of my skills (and deposits that are 1/10 of mine) hofing and ATH´ing regularly (some of them twice, some more often)

can someone plz explain why some avas have the LUCKY GEN, and some not ?
 
Gratz to Scudd on his 4295ped of Cald, looks like the dry spell is over :D
 
I saw the initial thread, and while I'm somewhat sympathetic there is a reality to consider. I've seen it written elsewhere—it's been a while—but this is taken from Wikipedia's article on Entropia, and my own experience bears it out:

Many players are attracted to Entropia by the prospect of making money, and MindArk itself has actively encouraged this belief by stating that the service "must offer unlimited income opportunities to the player".[13] However, MindArk's business model is based on the fact that it usually costs an average player a mean figure of between 0.5 and 1.5 USD per hour to play. Often participants are encouraged to regard this cost as an investment, despite the fact that many aspects of the service function as a game of chance directly analogous to online gambling, especially given the fact that real money is at stake. Participants also have limited rights under the EULA and also little legal protection if MindArk were to go bankrupt.[14]​

In the United States in 1999 the National Gambling Impact Study stated "the high-speed instant gratification of Internet games and the high level of privacy they offer may exacerbate problem and pathological gambling". Recently in the UK another government-funded report came to a similar conclusion, claiming that 75% of people who gamble online are "problem" or "pathological" gamblers, compared to just 20% of people who visit legitimate land-based casinos.​

I've done the math on myself, and indeed it costs me around the figure cited in this article—somewhere between $1 and $1.50 per hour—to play. Keep in mind that when I'm able to play for that rate, I'm generally following the recommendations commonly made in here: Mainly don't over equip, play within my skill range, etc. When I step outside those recommendations, I can easily go over the $1.50/hour rate, and so I don't do it for long.

So. . .

Using 8 hours/day * 7 days/week * 28 weeks * $1.50/hour yields $2352.00.

At the end of that, I would expect to have a collection of weapons and stuff perhaps, but essentially no money. Stepping outside of the recommendations for economical play, I could easily imagine spending 50K+ PEDs in under 7 months.

I use the word "spending" there on purpose, because make no mistake about it: This is entertainment you're paying for. As far as I've ever been able to see, viewing Entropia as an investment is for the large-scale property owners only. A rank and file player expecting any sort of return on hunting, crafting or mining over the long haul is to actually run counter to MA's very business model.
 
fresco said:
well, It as a "rule" for the last 2-3month that 500peds last exactly 8-10 hours hunting (i mean - full repair + ammo, then recycle the loot, and repeat untill down to 10peds or something) that includes all the globals and I get about 5-6 during that time.
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$50 for 10 hours of play?

Here's the problem.

Find a way to play for $1 an hour or the losses are going to add up.

My rule of thumb?

I never spend more than I pay in my other game. There I pay $12/month.
 
Lol, gratz on the HOF:laugh:

This makes me even more to belive that all loots has to do with deposits and or decay and how much probes/ammo spent, and nothing about luck or skill!!

Its all predetermined with some advanced programing. Paranoid, me?? No, not at all:D
 
thoreau said:
$50 for 10 hours of play?

Here's the problem.

Find a way to play for $1 an hour or the losses are going to add up.

My rule of thumb?

I never spend more than I pay in my other game. There I pay $12/month.
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the point was it lasted 2-3 days (about 30 hours) six month ago and nothing did change in my setup, except I have more skills.

off topic

and c'mon, it's been going for long enough - I demand VU NOW
 
Brian Potter said:
Gratz to Scudd on his 4295ped of Cald, looks like the dry spell is over :D
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Thanks guys, lets hope this is the start to getting my peds back.. Uncanny timing by MA I must say...

Regards

Jack Scudd Samuels
 
Scudd said:
Thanks guys, lets hope this is the start to getting my peds back.. Uncanny timing by MA I must say...

Regards

Jack Scudd Samuels
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hehe, or just cunning timing by you with your original post ;)
 
Dion Red Strike said:
Wow. I can't believe this thread got this long....
~Red
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But I can...

We are a lot more people losing more money then before, that’s for covering up for those big hits we see every day... and of course we also have to pay for the most skilled players at the top. Think that’s pretty clear after all posts in this thread...

This great new system with loot divided as it is today and skill nerfs automatically increase the gap between those many losers, the few lucky ones and the most skilled more then ever.
And then we have both sides trying to defend there position... or how to put it?
 
Igorl said:
Yup - TT value will allways be agains you.

BUT as man said before me - you do some research and pick a mob or mining location that is more likely to produce high markup loot regularly.

For example - I do all my hunting skilling on fouls (the younger the better).
My socmates consider me the iron nerved guy regarding this.

BUT - 150 ped ammo and decay on fouls produces (in average):

~80 ped of muscle oils (at 106%) = ~85 ped
~4 peds of foul bones (at 900%) = ~45 ped
~ 10 peds in items - often one or more MK2 punisher mkII (at +5) = ~15 ped
~40 ped basic TT fodder (no markup)

That is 135 PED TT back (7.5 went to Deathifier, 7.5 to MA - so I paid my due)
I sell it on market for: 185 - 5 ped auct fee = 180 ped

And there is THE PROFIT PPL.

I hope I helped newcomers.

I.
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Sorry, I think you’re wrong. :scratch2:

What you pointed out here is when those fouls are looting well. Try to repeat this and you will see that you will loose at least next two runs... or something like that... every mob including low fouls have ups and downs and the down period is often much longer then the up period. Unless you got some information that’s comes from MA, you don’t know in what period the mob is unless you tried. Ok you try and loot is bad and you stop... try again and... trying to hit the hot period is more expensive than what you gain hunting when its hot... in the long run.

That’s MAs way to prevent you from building up wealth… in the long run.

So call it... "a way to not lose so much so fast"... think that’s better.
(talking out of own experience)
 
kygon said:
yea people like to whine here lol
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yea and people like to Kiss MA a$$ here
in FACT some can even tell you what the PR guy had for diner the night before,cause thier noses are so far up his a$$

Troll through the forums and im sure you will find just as many MA A$$ Kissers
as Whiners,and that aint peanut butter on thier noses!
 
Thriller said:
yea and people like to Kiss MA a$$ here
in FACT some can even tell you what the PR guy had for diner the night before,cause thier noses are so far up his a$$

Troll through the forums and im sure you will find just as many MA A$$ Kissers
as Whiners,and that aint peanut butter on thier noses!
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yup and you'll find a shite load of people who refuse to listen to anything but negativity and assume some people who dont join the 'whiney bitch possse' are kiss ass lol

tbh there are fucking loads more whiners than ass kissers here and in eu
 
Could anyone Pm me the url of that russian game pls?

ty :)
 
kygon said:
yup and you'll find a shite load of people who refuse to listen to anything but negativity and assume some people who dont join the 'whiney bitch possse' are kiss ass lol

tbh there are fucking loads more whiners than ass kissers here and in eu
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10 sweat or $10,000.00USD ,everyone is entitled to thier own opinion
be it A$$ KISSERS,WHINERS,or the BULL $hitter

assume nothing m8,its in black and white!
 
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