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one day ppl will learn that what we do with macros in here is basicly the definition of botting. So dumdums can stop using "its a macro" as an excuse. macroing like it done here is botting period.

Now taking ppl to space might be a shitty move and in some cases most likely not within rules. Wich MA has to somehow check.
Some has asked MA directly if its allowed or not, and has been answered.

U are the one resposible for your avatars actions. If u have your macroing running and it starts to run after mobs or entering a quad or running in to where ever its on you,if u are not there to stop it you are the one the is actually breaking the rules.


Easy fix is to makes ppl play the game insted of constantly start their Macro "bots".
 
Space piracy is bad for this game, no doubt, what's the benefit of lootable space? Only a few people enjoy it to rob their fellow entropians.

That being said, botting isn't great either and should be limited or penalized somehow.
 
Imagine some big player "botter" get ATH 321k PEDs in the instance, than someone else abducts him to space and loot him like this... Well... thats one big player that stops depositing, as this is HUGE demotivation (pretty much only big players get souch huge ATHs).

Also the thief will withdraw that ASAP, as i dont see a reason why to keep "stolen" money here... those things happening are BAD for MA in the end in every possible imaginable scenario.

This problematics should have been solved long time ago.
 
I had something similar happen but a different scenario, I jumped to a place and started hunting a specific mob, I noticed there was another green dot there but at a distance, anyways they slowly started coming my way and before you know it they were shooting every mob I was shooting, I thought this is a well known ava definitely in the Top players and why would they behave in such a petty way, this happened on a few mobs and continued, me having more fire power doing the most damage was looting all the mobs, I am still baffled as to what are they gaining from this? anyways this continued for a few hours and I took all the loot until they stopped and froze then a swarm of mob killed them....

next day I come to the same place and the same person is there but this time they are angry and annoyed at me for shooting their mobs and they were down like 2k peds because of me???

Wutt???

then it dawned on me they were botting afk and the program was obviously programmed to target any mob near by which it was doing.

Long story short they were very very angry, every time I would go there to hunt I would get sarcastic comments and just sheer rage...after a few days out of good will I contacted the said person and offered to give them 1500 ped for their losses, it just didn't sit right with me as I was up quite a bit.

So yes this F whether macro or built in can have negative outputs in many scenarios....best to avoid it.

No I will not take any names.

Regards
Tees
 
TeesMaarKhan said:
So yes this F whether macro or built in can have negative outputs in many scenarios....best to avoid it.
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Macro in solo instance for most players is considered "acceptable".
Macro planetside while afk can interfere with other's gameplay so that's a no-no imo.

If people are using macro near you while planetside it's their responsibility to not be away from the keyboard. A player with more DPS than them can KS all their mobs and "milk them dry". If a player doesn't outdps them they can try to bring them to lootable or through space using the tactics already described in the past.

Honestly here's where I see it differently. In OP's instance he was afk yes, but he was playing inside an instance and his macro was obviously still on when the instance ended.
The players in question (yes had to be at least 2, one to fly up to space, one to kill and loot in space) one player had to use a creature pill to lure him away from the area so that he could then spawn a quad to then make him F into the quad and boom instant tp to space (no confirmation needed from passenger).

If a player is using macro planetside and another active player comes along and decides to outdps them since they are not respecting the distance, nor replying back (and interfering with his/her gameplay) it's not really surprising that player may decide to act on it to teach that person a lesson not to do it afk, but!
Players using MA's shitty programming to their advantage though, to bring players to space and then directly steal from them is a big NONO imo.

The person who can outdps the other who is afk is still paying for the portion of the cost of the loot so it's the one with lower dps who is afk that should've been more careful and not doing it afk.

So imo TLDR - KS people who afk with macro planetside all you want if you got the dps for it, they have it coming especially the entitled ones who think "it's my spawn".
But stop justifying direct robbery (taking afk players to space or lootable pvp to loot them) by using this game's shitty programming to your advantage (basically exploiting players who are not using all brain cells).
To me it's the equivalent if someone was sleeping irl and you kidnap them while they are still asleep then loot all their valuables at home and drop them off somewhere far away.
 
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Can anyone explain for me what the issue is with botting and what the potential benefits of doing so is?

Back in my earliest days it was run from revive to skill evade. After that it was auto clickers for crafting to which when asked MA responded "You can't do that ;-)".

I understand people botting events which has a bad impact on the game but are there really any normal instances where it is beneficial?
 
WhiningSkeptic said:
I understand people botting events which has a bad impact on the game but are there really any normal instances where it is beneficial?
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some OT but THIS is an interesting question

1. you still loose 30 ped per hour (on my firepower(
2. loot is oils 99% snd i got 3x droplet (different types) approx value 60 ped in two days
3. i got about 50 skill juice that i am not selling because self using for skill progress
personally i craft all the oils for skilling electronics crafting (can do autocraft or normal)
then i sell conductor2 and prongs 2...3
nanofood i craft into EP2 for skill in mechanical craft, sell ep and metal residue and recycle card
this leads to a total return that is 99 to 101% so i stay afloat
the benefit of mouse injecting FFFFF is mostly to save carpal tunnel and be able also to work on second PC
i am a skill junkie and am working to reach 600k then 1m skill points

and to answer to the second inexpressed question NO i am not withdrawing a PEC
and NO, killing more is not more profit, profit come off MARKUP sold
benefit is to manufacture codex skill bonus, meta and snow base is a limited time avent (i am rank 21)
 
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if the "game" was wort playing none would be botting. The game has lost so much of what makes entropia special. Its all about grinding and getting MU these days. Who grinds the most wins.

Sad gameplay = Botting and those who dislike botters will do creative things to hurt the botters that are destroying their once beloved game.
 
ProActive Mango said:
Sad gameplay = Botting and those who dislike botters will do creative things to hurt the botters that are destroying their once beloved game.
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very romantic view.
more probably someone from low income country that ambush people to extract ped from game. but nice try
 
Nanashana said:
Personally, I think that it should be Mindark's responsibility to punish botting behaviors and create active gameplay that doesn't warrant spamming F.

I believe there's still an issue where it's possible for people to add players to vehicle guest lists without their permission, also probably creature control pills could have been in use here also.

Either way, I'll make sure this gets re-raised to MA, at the very least all these threads just end up souring the community more.
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Start those changes at the crafting terminal
 
WhiningSkeptic said:
I understand people botting events which has a bad impact on the game but are there really any normal instances where it is beneficial?
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If there are they are outweighed by the negatives. One big negative for hunting/mining markup is the type of players who AFK hunt used to have to AFK craft. It was much more beneficial for the players who actually hunt as there was less competition for markup during waves and there was more demand for their markup from the AFK crafters who now hunt.
 
Msturlese said:
the benefit of mouse injecting FFFFF is mostly to save carpal tunnel and be able also to work on second PC
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The only prob I see about this statement is you were not near your computer. I use macro to save my F key on laptop, while watching video's on 2nd pc - but i am always at the pc so when someone attempts to take me into space I can record it and post, but never make it into space for them to loot.

Also, space isn't the only place you need to worry about being looted. Instance of people hunting (while not paying much attention) have been dragged to lootable pvp on the planet and looted for 1000's as well.

If you have a macro running, make sure you are close enough to turn it off if it starts killing something that someone else was shooting, or if something strange happens like your avatar gets in a random quad.

While i do think this was your fault for not watching, I also think the person / persons that do this should be banned from the game for exploiting the game mechanics for personal gain. You can't name them in this post as per forum rules but i expect most that have been following these activites know who the person is.

If nothing else post what support has to say so we know if MA has had a change of heart about this.

SpikE

(and a super easy fix for this, would be to require both people in a quad to have to accept going into space.. has always seemed stupid they give the pilot a warning but not the passanger.)
 
SpikE Odets said:
persons that do this should be banned from the game for exploiting the game mechanics for personal gain.
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Banned for exploiting? They're operating within the confines of the game albeit maybe some ToS gray area and 'preying' on people that play the game a certain way (afk macro). It's more ruthless than anything. I don't support it but I don't see it as the root of all evil that people make it out to be. Stay at your computer, pay attention and it's not an issue.

Definitely worth a conversation
 
Msturlese said:
i never blamed anyone man.
... so please dont mistake me for someone else
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Nothing personal, man!

I just used [search] engine for your previous posts about botting/macroing.
It is RCE game. RCE - means real money. It's nothing about the game, but about real money. There are some weak ppl IRL whos trying to steal/abuse/exploit whatever. Be stronger. Accept it as an ultimate challenge for recovering your losses without any depo for example. As a unique chance to play smarter and use your brain.

Peace!
 
All i want to know: "is it allowed to drag afk guy into lootable zone using his weaknes?". If MA answer "Yes" lets do it to each other and make some mess.
 
SpikE Odets said:
You can't name them in this post as per forum rules but i expect most that have been following these activites know who the person is.
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Not sure, OP named and shamed a botter, and post not got removed.
 
does anybody really buy that the botters are just doing it couse they love losing money ? noobs arent boting, at least now in hunting, its too expensive, they would keep losing money, every bot we talk about is some high geared player, and since a bot is the same as a human when it comes to outcomes lootwise, is the statemenet then, everywhere where there is a bot no profit can ever be made ? total bullshit

the reason these guys are so eager to keep boting in the game isnt becouse they just love paying for MA bills, its becouse they make money, why would anybody go trough the hassle of setting up a bot, getting all the gear, finding a spot where you can bot, just so he can end up losing money faster

let me guess what he will pretend the answer is, becouse he loves EU so much, yea he loves EU so much he cant even make himself play it, needs a machine for it, keep alowing bots and you wont have any markup, the bots dont use L gear EVER, it would break too fast :), so their contribution to the economy is inflating it with stuff

and so many people say they feal sorry for you getting looted, so much emtoional language beeing used, you got murdered and robbed, wtf bro
this boting behaviour has been so normalized by now thats this guy just admits, "oh yes, i was afk hunting", im glad that some people exist that can take advantage of your bot, becouse if i had the choice between only pirates or only bots, id pick the pirates any day, unless they were pirate bots :D

the only thing that would make this better is if MA shows up and bans you for admiting to afk hunting, you should be ashamed for doing it, its bad for any game, but especialy this one, where value is created trough effort of playing it in RL, bots take no effort, thats why no more value is circulating
 
TIcket was closed this morning.

UBI MAJOR, MINOR CESSAT.
GG to the Abductor, WP

2025-04-14 00:20 Entropia Universe Support:

Hi killy,

Thank you for your support case.

Another player can only add you to a guestlist, there is no way to force another player into getting into a vehicle.

As such this is not something we can reverse.

Take care and best of luck.

Kind regards,
Entropia Universe Support
 
@ ludwig you can lock the thread. sentences are to be executed, not commented
 
Msturlese said:
@ ludwig you can lock the thread. sentences are to be executed, not commented
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I'm not trying to be funny or awkward but I'm not sure what you mean. What sentences are you referring to?
 
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