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Big Depositors - lets start doing business with each other

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Schism said:
I am no depositor and I do have gold card :)

OP looks for people who spend much more ;)
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People, such as yourself, will have to be identified and quarantined for the good of the 'Righteous Depositors'...only 'til we come up with the 'final solution', then you will be freed.
 
Skaffen, I declare Godwin's law.

Though come to think of it you may not even be the first Hitler reference in this thread.
 
Schism said:
:)


And one of them is on your list already btw :)
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I am sure there probably is or will be. I am not the feds, and I am not running a background check on people. But as an avid reader of the forums, I generally know deposits. If it means so much to be listed here that someone would lie about it, then what can I do. :rolleyes:
 
narfi said:
Narfi Hungry Willem

That is my full name, I'm not sure what is missing?
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Sry, I didnt catch that the cursor was in the wrong spot when I typed it and hit submit :)
 
Funny thing this classification in depositors and non depositors...

If you would check the deposit stats for the past 12 months for Akoz, NZR, Auktuma, Deathifier, Star (Apologises for calling names), and many others who are actually runing a bussines in this game, you would see only emptiness. Does this mean you dont want to make any bussines with those ppl? Where will you get your dantes, your evils, your lvl 13s from???

I dont mind networking, but this networking model is doomed from the start, if it is "only working / dealing with depositors" since you cant get everything from depositors...

On the other hand, the daily turnover in EU is over 1M USD, so I guess it wont hurt the non depositors if you avoid them, and how will you figure which of the trader is a depositor and which isnt? not everyone will give you their banking details freely.


Wish you luck with the effort, but in my opinion, you are only lowering your own chances on a healthy PED card balance.

Your personal spending behavior is not the fault of non-depositors who withdraw what they have earned trough providing a viable service to the community, but your lack of self discipline and the temptation to "PLAY" this GAME. EU is not a game, its the closest to real life, where you can work to earn money, or try your luck gambling, for the other choice the only rule which applies is "The house always win"

my 2 pec
 
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Sunsout Gunsout said:
This post has been edited rather than start a new one:

I am seeking to compile a list of people who deposit. The reason is that I will try to do business with you, other depositors, when I can. Not just business as in purchasing items, but all other aspects of EU too. I want to help support those who deposit into this game. I am not "boycotting" non-depositors, I have bought tons of stuff from you and will continue to do so (the 300k sweat I have in storage throughout the universe is proof :) When I need something really bad I will buy it no matter who is selling it, but if I have a choice, I want to give my business to depositors.
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Ragna Rock said:
Funny thing this classification in depositors and non depositors...

If you would check the deposit stats for the past 12 months for Akoz, NZR, Auktuma, Deathifier, Star (Apologises for calling names), and many others who are actually runing a bussines in this game, you would see only emptiness. Does this mean you dont want to make any bussines with those ppl? Where will you get your dantes, your evils, your lvl 13s from???

I dont mind networking, but this networking model is doomed from the start, if it is "only working / dealing with depositors" since you cant get everything from depositors...

On the other hand, the daily turnover in EU is over 1M USD, so I guess it wont hurt the non depositors if you avoid them, and how will you figure which of the trader is a depositor and which isnt? not everyone will give you their banking details freely.


Wish you luck with the effort, but in my opinion, you are only lowering your own chances on a healthy PED card balance.

Your personal spending behavior is not the fault of non-depositors who withdraw what they have earned trough providing a viable service to the community, but your lack of self discipline and the temptation to "PLAY" this GAME. EU is not a game, its the closest to real life, where you can work to earn money, or try your luck gambling, for the other choice the only rule which applies is "The house always win"

my 2 pec
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I guess you totally did not read or fully understand the OP? So I have highlighted the most important paragraph for you. He never said anything about not purchasing from non-depositors like you mention :)

This list is simply to TRY and purchase from depositors, (on the list) where possible.

~Danimal
 
danimal01 said:
I guess you totally did not read or fully understand the OP? So I have highlighted the most important paragraph for you. He never said anything about not purchasing from non-depositors like you mention :)

This list is simply to TRY and purchase from depositors, (on the list) where possible.

~Danimal
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Lol.

And if he purchase from depositors, he is then NOT purchasing from no depositors.

Huh?
 
danimal01 said:
I guess you totally did not read or fully understand the OP? So I have highlighted the most important paragraph for you. He never said anything about not purchasing from non-depositors like you mention :)

This list is simply to TRY and purchase from depositors, (on the list) where possible.

~Danimal
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Err....not true. The OP has changed his stance multiple times and edited the OP. It's been quoted if you care to look. The OP had two points. 1. Do business with depositors on a list. 2. NOT do business with non-depositors on a list which he suggested could be compiled by trawling the forum looking for ppl who had posted they don't deposit.

I agree with JTC that this whole thread is a tempest in a teapot. GL with doing business with big depositors, I think ppl can do business with whomever they choose but I also think this initiative is going nowhere in a hurry. The only tangible effect it has had is to get some ppl who are a bit too passionate about their opinions banned from the forum for a while.

For the record, I do not do business with or buy auction items from certain individuals but that's purely because they are generally unpleasant characters with huge egos or go out of their way to make EU an unpleasant experience for ppl they deem unworthy for some reason. Other than that, I simply want the best deal for the most part but will give noobs a better deal if that helps them stay in the game.

I was a non-depositor for a long time. Got my first 5k ped by sweating and used it to purchased gear including a full set of Ghost, etc. It took quite some time. In the meantime, I did generate turnover in game but not a great amount. I later depoed a fair amount chasing an ATH but lost my ass. I have since made that ped back and pulled it out. So where do I fit in on the list? Frankly, I don't care because I have never had any problems selling my stuff other than when I was not paying attention to the market.

Yes, I know we need depositors to pay the bills or the servers go dark at least until MA finds a source of revenue other than the players but the marketing specifically states that EU is a RCE and you can play as you please. That means depoing what u want, playing even and reinvesting in your avatar or reselling at auction and pulling out ur ped. If EU did not have the RCE element, I would not be here and would not have depoed when I did.

If you want to spend a fair amount of ur time coordinating deals with other depositors, have at it and good luck. I choose not to.
 
There is a solution

MA could introduce a rule that you can only withdraw a maximum of your total deposits.

Or a multiplier of those deposits say 2 x deposits as maximum withdrawl.

I have no problem with non-depositors trading all day to fund the progress of their avatar in game. Damn I don't have the free time or patience to stand at twin all day for a few pec per trade.

however if the non-depositors pulls out $1000's out of the game, that kinda feels wrong. As that puts pressure on the depositors yet again to somehow fund those withdrawals with probably less loot.

Would we want such a rule?

Rick
 
But what sence would it make to thoose who want to make a bussines in this game
? so basically you could only earn a multiplier of your start investment? How would it look for ppl like deathifier, or ND who invested 26.5k or 100k USD in order to build up a bussines which is paying? There is no pressure on the depositors, everyone plays the style he likes, it wouldnt work if everyone were a hunter, a trader, or a miner, but with this diversity we have achieved in the past 11 years the system works, and there is no need to change it.
On the other hand,... imagine you invested 2000 USD in a year and hit a 220k mining hof which you want to withdrav, wouldnt it be unfair towards you who invested not to be able to get the profit? a limit towards withdravals is no solution since it takes hope from thoose who want to make BUSINESS and not gamble all day long.

I totaly understand the feeling as if you are beeing exploited for someone else IRL profit, but on the other hand most of hardcoore gamers and heavy depositors are not having enough patience to make more out of their buck:
Miners selling to ore resellers in order to cycle more PED during a day, calculate how much loss you make during one day hardcoore mining.
Hunters, who just TT all loot and cycle it again to TT it again.
And crafters paying over markup in order to put some more klicks since the given ore is not in auction, and TTing the results since its market value is just 102%-103%....

I most cases massive looses can be avoided with having patience, just play smart and you will have more of your cash. But as long as ppl are impatient, there will be the patient ones eager to buy your ores, and the TT to eat your loot. And its not the fault of non depositors, but of your gameplay.
 
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RickEngland said:
Would we want such a rule?

Rick
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Nope. Suppose i was trading all day at twins and made 10k peds. I could then deposit 10k and then withdraw 20k the same day.
 
We just need a few new planets:

1. Planet Farmville - So MA makes a nice profit and that crowd gets to play EU.
2. Planet WoW - U pay $15 USD a month and have the same options as WoW for game play.
3. Planet 5 Ped Per K Sweat - PP can guarantee a minimum price for sweat so ppl upset about sweat price will be happy or find something else to be upset about.
4. Planet Depo Only - Non-depositors will not be welcome and the OPs problem of finding big depositors will be solved. Ofc you would have to sell ur account to get ur money out.

Perhaps we could combine Planets 3 & 4.

As for me, I like the challenge of making my ped last. Grinding mobs and just running back to repair and buy more ammo has no appeal.

My point is that EU appeals to a great many ppl, depositors and non-depositors alike precisely because it's a RCE and ppl can play in whatever fashion they choose. It's the only RCE I know of. If ppl want the Eve Online, WoW or SL models, they should play those games.....or create something they feel will appeal to those that want some hybrid. EU is looking for more PPs I bet.
 
Is this the union to bring down professional help prices for gambling adiction support groups?

Or am I wrong again :scratch2: daaam this game is killing me

I.
 
Strangelove said:
Grinding mobs and just running back to repair and buy more ammo has no appeal.
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Isn't that pretty much the situation for most mid-level players right now, using affordable equipment?
If you want to do something out of the ordinary (do something else than grind on mobs you can do with breer p5(L)) and at the budget covering the "loot swings" it will cost.

Let's say you hunt 10 000 atrox, you run back to outpost, you TT the extractors, enhancer components, odd ammo and animal oils you loot, you buy ammo, ocasionally visit an auctioneer for another p5(L), and then back to kill yet another 100 atrox looking exactly the same dropping exactly the same stackables. (Optionally, keep loots and sell them at 102%, but those 2% won't make the Big Guys welcome you into their investment plans.)

What had kept me hunting had been the chance for items, and then pretty much a stroke hit me when I heard "Tango? They dropped from eomons last year" and "Forget about (first gen) mindforce chips (ie resurrection, wormhole) ever drop again" after I've done say 70k peds of depositing for hunting.

As for the big mining HOFs, as there was a group who got quite a few ATHs in a relatively short time, I think the general suspicion is, although game mechanics isn't supposed to "leak" loots between professions; if someone by using some kind of exploit is able to gain way more PEDs from an activity than they spent on it, that sooner or later, if they manage to withdraw, MA will have to recover the loss.
 
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Trina Xenophage said:
You are full of shit if you think you can convince ANYONE here that you are not talking about people with disabilites and the low income that is part of that life. There are parts in the other post leading the same direction. You may not have written the word disabled but sure as fuck the inference is there and you dam well know it.
It sure as hell isnt directed specificlly at people with low or no income as you now describe as not having the right to be here if they dont pay. So with that medical refrence tied to a financial downturn which discribes the result of an accident causing a disability be it temporary, partial or permanant to a "T"
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Well since i guess now we are resorting to inferrences. I will have to make an observasion.

Trina, u must be possibly a:

Obama Supporter
Liberal
Democrat
Social Justice Supporter

Yep, that about covers it.

Suntsout, feel free to add me to your list.
 
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