EU come to impossible middle deposit

[Deleted member 26456]

I have the same results.


Last 3 days has costed me about 1k ped each day,
My setup: Naked, hunting feffox(young-provider E of Isslye) with my dear friend healing me with my mod 2350. I eat pills like they were skittles, X, X2, Y2 and all others I get from my massive amount of lootboxes.

Gun: Calytrek spirit mk III(never purchased for above 108%) with Dante amp attached, imp ares and enough skills to dodge the majority of hits resulting in 13 ped decay on the fap after 1k ped ammo used. (factoring weapon decay or dante decay here, but that brings the cost of the hunt towards 1.5k peds)

Each hunt slowly drives my ped card backwards, I've been trying changing setup, tried gambling (warlocks, osseo, which is WAY out of my league.... which seems to result in way better returns and more stable.. check my EL profile)

So my conclusion what works for me:
Do not try to eco hunt, that kills my ped card rapidly.

Go way out of your league, and hunt mobs you are not meant to be able to solo.


I'm so confused now days, I still love the game and have been depoing. But recently I really started to wonder why.. My iron missions are impossible to finish with my bankroll,

"So why don't you go down more levels and hunt where your bankroll allows you?"

might be because if I am meant to hunt Kerberos all day every day after spending a total of 12 years in game, hunting mid level since 2009, I might as well just say my time has come to stop playing at all and sell out completely.


I see no reason why I should try to hunt efficiently any more. Game is becoming more of a "deposit, go out mobs too big for my level and bankroll, profit(im talking 50 peds TT+ here or there) or break even."

Then when I return back to mobs that I can solo, in eco armor, and in my eyes a very eco fap )mod 2350 hello...) with my current iron missions (Feffox next on the list) the TT returns are ridiculous! 1.5k ~ ped per run and TT returns of 900 is not rare AT ALL! It has been this way all year for me..

Can some one around my level 57 Sniper hit, 53 Dmg, 206k total skill - please teach me how to survive with mod 2350 and dante amp, on a monthly limit of 5k peds, where i usually play 1-3 times a week?

My 5k peds used to last ("It's dynamic!") for much longer periods of time than compared to today.

I'm sad, not angry.

I know I am doing something wrong - because the game isn't supposed to be like this. So I beg some one to help me rethink the way I hunt and help me see straight.

(I rarely use TT, everything with MU I sell on auction or direct trade)

Just a quick reaction, there is a major difference between BLP vs Laser
All I can and will do is give a hint.
ECO on paper is not the complete story.
Ofc I did not gained my knowledge overnight.

And about how to play, there is no golden rule that would apply to everyone, you need to know how the game works, and apply that to gear, bankroll, and so on.

 

[morfoc]

Just a quick reaction, there is a major difference between BLP vs Laser
All I can and will do is give a hint.
ECO on paper is not the complete story.
Ofc I did not gained my knowledge overnight.

And about how to play, there is no golden rule that would apply to everyone, you need to know how the game works, and apply that to gear, bankroll, and so on.

I agree on knowing the game (and I think I know a minimum like me) but I just can not do it anymore and I do not understand why while my deposits or my turnover has increased? I have the impress that the people of project entropia one not the same objectif that entropia universe and that the game will simply sink by force of too much wanting at all costs to scratch the least pennies to people

 

[Deleted member 26456]

but I just can not do it anymore

If that is the case, either slow down, or just stop.
And ofc everyone want's to gamble now and then.

and I do not understand why while my deposits or my turnover has increased?

As I said before, they changed something around start of 2016, as people seem to wanted that part back (Not me But I adapted once again)
And if you did not noticed it quickly enough or not at all, you would see your Ped's go down more quickly.
I just don't want to go to deep into all this, because you could write books about this game.

Well whatever you gonna do, I wish you the best of luck.

Back to Silent mode, hf

 

[Kevlie]

I agree with you OP, and to those who say ''you don't know how to play'' or ''using wrong gear'' etc - this is not the case. MA have made this game impossible to play for the average depositor.

if you Deposit 20-30 euros and do unamped mining, in the last 10 years you were able to mine with 300 ped for days, Usually profit or at least break even. Now you either find 200-300 ped hof/global or you end up loosing 90 % of the deposited sum. However I cannot comment on other activities as on those such as hunting I loose fast and I don't expect to profit (only Kerberos hunt makes some sense).

Not sure if depositing 100-200 euros at the time would make any difference... It might as I would have larger sum to play with, but as I said, for average depositor there is no way to enjoy this game as in last few years.

I am thinking to stop depositing as this is just pure waste of money... I love this game too much, but fucking MA keeps screwing everything.

 

[Vagrant]

Just a quick reaction, there is a major difference between BLP vs Laser
All I can and will do is give a hint.
ECO on paper is not the complete story.
Ofc I did not gained my knowledge overnight.

And about how to play, there is no golden rule that would apply to everyone, you need to know how the game works, and apply that to gear, bankroll, and so on.

Ah the dmg type theory, old school
I think nothing ever has been proven on this to be honest..

 

[Deleted member 26456]

Ah the dmg type theory, old school
I think nothing ever has been proven on this to be honest..

No, not that one
But thanks for trying

I realy don't give a about those theory's out here lol

 

[Darth Revan]

I just don't want to go to deep into all this, because you could write books about this game.

I'm sure you could write books about this game and then they would be obsolete after a few years like many of the other guides out there. This person is asking for help, and all your saying is there is a way but figure it out for yourself.

Reading the OP's posts , has tried to figure things out but still has not found any solution, all you are doing is dangling a carrot in front which is what MA do with the HOF ticker.

Why not actually help this person out by explaining some of the differences between laser and blp? You don't need to write a ton but at least give some explanations that may give the OP a new idea to try out?

For me, the only difference between Laser and BLP besides from the ECO factor is that BLP allows you to do more damage and in turn kill the creature quicker. This is at a cost of of extra ammo/decay but if the creature has a regen factor, then killing it quicker is better even if it costs your more overall as they regen less (and therefore less hits required to kill it). So if its taking the player 3 extra shots with laser weapon to kill the mob due to regen where only 1 extra shot for blp, that needs to be considered and may work out cheaper per kill to use BLP.

This maybe something the OP has not considered, or maybe the OP has already considered it and it does not help. Either way, it was a small but to the point explanation...maybe you can do the same for what you know as the difference between BLP and laser?

All i ever read on this forum is someone saying "i need help" or "cant figure this out" and responses being "your doing it wrong" or "your setup is wrong" or "learn the game". Not everyone picks up the same things in this game and we need to help each other out to some degree if we want people to stay around...and we do want that otherwise the game dies.

 

[Deleted member 26456]

I'm sure you could write books about this game and then they would be obsolete after a few years like many of the other guides out there. This person is asking for help, and all your saying is there is a way but figure it out for yourself.

Indeed and my info could be obsolete tommorow, and I have to adapt again.
That's why I would never advise someone to do this or that, and use this or that.
As said before there is no golden rule.

For me, the only difference between Laser and BLP besides from the ECO factor is that BLP allows you to do more damage and in turn kill the creature quicker.

And this is also not what I was referring to.

And indeed somethings people could try to figure out on there own.
That's what I like about this game, the challenge

 

[Darth Revan]

Sorry OP, tried to help you out, but looks like your just going to get those same responses we have come to expect from this forum. If i knew the answer I would try to help you but hunting is not my main profession, more a past time when I get bored, so i only hunt low level creatures at this time.

 

[Fifth]

Try your setup against the mob.
If it doesn't work, change gear or change the mob.
[In theory you might prolly add a 3rd option: change your bankroll size, but I've never tried that one]

Feffox has never worked for me. Never figured out why.

 

[morfoc]

I am sick of it all, why the game took such a bad turn, while my personal title this game mentally help me during my period in military operations its remain a good escape ... now I feel just undergo

 

[Mary Jane]

Hello I allow myself to deliver my return on the game

I created my account on 10/29/2003
And in 2017 I can survive more in EU.

Currently, since the beginning of the year I have deposited about
30000peds and mainly hunting (aprox 30000ped / years)
I can not hold more than 3 days with 1000peds while hunting. I see
around me in my friend list that the observation is about the same.
I think I have lost 50% of my initial sum in craft or various bad
financial operations that I assume.
But the return on deposit is ridiculous, I stay at 0 on the pedcard
90% of my time.
I do not understand this progressive degradation around the 2 main
trades was originally hunting and mining.
I feel like giving my money for nothing except some graphics now.

Originally we deposit 100 € we hunt or miner we recover little be
95/105% and the benefit to allow to improve his equipment or try another
profession and if we lost the money we could just say it shit, Would not
have tried it
Now you can stay 10 hours a day on the same mob you can lose
astronomical sums.
We lay down is we hope to survive a few days but she is this new mania?
I just wanted to play a game with the feeling of not losing years of his
time just for graphics,
Recovering little be a bit of the sum invested the day I leave the game.
But in 2017 I find a lotto giant, no stability has a few mobs by but I
will not play 1monstres all my life.

I do not know who is the current CEO but AWAKEN you kill the game.
We must stop wanting to put forward winnings at all costs.
Mainly those that come on entropia universe one type in search mmorpg or
game real economy
They did not type land investment or how to get rich in 1clic
The main goal of the hunt / minor players and some builders is to play a
VIRTUAL WORLD, not given their money may be some big investors or other.

About me I am a middle lvl I have deskill x2 all (lack of peds) and
currently lvl70 + laser pistol 225k skill
I spent 4/5 years a crafter disappointed to never find any rare weapon
or rare items despite various 10k +.
I play various level equipment ranging from
Angel set M + imp M2870 to nude + adj V1 and all (L)

My current equipment is KingKong U60 and Viceroy Set M

And I'm just sick of paying for nothing.
Massive boycott of deposits would make them be reacted.


I would like to know your views.
Use the translator french to english sorry for errors

I been trough the Thread and notice people talk about eco and 95% return. And luck my friends?
You can hunt with more eco system ever and still have no luck as any cash game.
Droop me a msg if you want me to introduce you to my mining I will show you my fields and I bet you will play for profit.

GL all

 

[NoBion]

Hi Morfoc

My 2 cent:

A long time ago i created a thread about how Buffs / Pills / Rings are bad for entropia, and my impressions are that it went true... Mindark will constantly compensate themself with lower loot returns everytime they make it possible for playerbase to archieve a higher efficiency in hunting.. Only difference is that to do that, you must spend even more money for the extra equipment, Money which Mindark holds in the meantime...

Problem is that it becomes more & more of a MUST-HAVE to be on the bandwagon of all new features. If you dont buy into buffs and rings etc. you're average loot before these were introduced have now decreased. IT IS like this because if everything stayed the same, but we can kill more efficiently, Mindarks annual reports would show a decline in profits.

Sure its funny with new features and equipment. But we're buying in to the illusion that we're just spend 200$ (as example) and have then gained higher efficiency in hunting... What you basicly spend 200$ on is regaining yourself back to the previous Spend to kill vs. loot return rate.

Some items through time have been introduced (Mod fap, EST armor etc.) Which i am sure turned out to be "too" eco and mindark can't compensate themself out of those by turning down loot returns, Its damage they'll have to live with, There is too few owning these items to make a change. But for everything released to the public that makes you able to raise your loot return 1%, because cost to kill is better, they will decrease overall loot with -1%, Harming those who does not buy into the "new" 1% better efficiency.

This is my 2 pec. Might be wrong but i believe all or atleast some of it to be true...

 

[morfoc]

I think I am too nostalgic for periods when all the lvls go to the Longu of Fort Troy for the elders. In team or with faper or alone but or everyone had enough to survive with an atmosphere a few brawls etcs, or the period of the troxs young or when you had lost all your money trying another mob , you return to the trox to recover a little ! Now it is limit of hatred when it is someone else that is even that HOF it hardly becomes difficult.

 

[Kristoliquid]

I hear ya, when you hunt for 2k peds and get not 1 global and loot is terrible, there is no reason to continue.

Ok, I know some idiots out there are gonna say, don't quit, keep it up, it will come back. But you know what, it's been like that for me for more than 11 years.

I've tried almost everything in this game, in gear and etc, and it always resulted in the same.

Am I unlucky? Probably.

But the most important is that im always having fun playing this and I'm always going to enjoy this. Even though sometimes it makes you want to fly to Sweden and punch someone in the face.

 

[Alina]

I am sick of it all, why the game took such a bad turn, while my personal title this game mentally help me during my period in military operations its remain a good escape ... now I feel just undergo

u just failed to adapt , bye

 

[morfoc]

u just failed to adapt , bye

Thank you for this information extremely useful,
Yes I do it more in 2017 ,If it can make you happy and you are the smile

 

[NPV]

Entropia Universe is entertainment.

People expecting too much out of it. Most think they are here to make money

If you can spend 100$ a month on entertainment without getting angry, that you were not entertained enough, then that 100$ is your limit. Prepare to lose it all. Make your own limits and don't expect miracles.

No matter how much money you throw at it, in casino, house always wins

I take EU as PVP game. Not talking about going space or PVP zone to shoot people, but play other players for markup. You will always lose sitting at slot machine, you might win at poker table with actual people.

Stop trying to pew pew big slot machines and go try something that yields markup. If you are hunting to get globals/HOFs, you already doing it wrong. You should be hunting only for PVP = markup.

 

[morfoc]

Entropia Universe is entertainment.

People expecting too much out of it. Most think they are here to make money

If you can spend 100$ a month on entertainment without getting angry, that you were not entertained enough, then that 100$ is your limit. Prepare to lose it all. Make your own limits and don't expect miracles.

No matter how much money you throw at it, in casino, house always wins

I take EU as PVP game. Not talking about going space or PVP zone to shoot people, but play other players for markup. You will always lose sitting at slot machine, you might win at poker table with actual people.

Stop trying to pew pew big slot machines and go try something that yields markup. If you are hunting to get globals/HOFs, you already doing it wrong. You should be hunting only for PVP = markup.

you have not read my post it's the difference, I'm not trying to earn money, I do not think MA is seen from the big withdrawal from my account . I play 90% since the beginning so I just ask To know why after all this money to play and lost and replay , I arrive to not to hold 1 days with 1kped.
I speak mainly for this year which is really untenable financially

If MA does not come to keep me with an amount I think correct how would they keep newcomers

And personally I find that MA always makes sure end of month to well lose everything to have to redeposit

 

[NPV]

you have not read my post it's the difference, I'm not trying to earn money, I do not think MA is seen from the big withdrawal from my account . I play 90% since the beginning so I just ask To know why after all this money to play and lost and replay , I arrive to not to hold 1 days with 1kped.
I speak mainly for this year which is really untenable financially

If MA does not come to keep me with an amount I think correct how would they keep newcomers

And personally I find that MA always makes sure end of month to well lose everything to have to redeposit

Most people don't even know how to calculate returns, failing basic math.

You buy 1k PED ammo. You go shoot until you ran out of ammo (including all the ammo you looted). You go to trade terminal and see, oh 60% return again.

Then you TT everything, buy ammo and shoot again until you run out. Another 60% return and so on.

If this is what you doing, then that is what you get. That is why google sheets and math is awesome. If I see constant 80% and 75% and 80%, I think that loot is total shit. But when I finish my Iron, I see 94% TT return, wasnt too bad in long run. Add markup and I'm doing fine.

I refuse to believe people are playing with 50-60% return as they claim. It's made up bullshit.

 

[The Jetman]

Most people don't even know how to calculate returns, failing basic math.

You buy 1k PED ammo. You go shoot until you ran out of ammo (including all the ammo you looted). You go to trade terminal and see, oh 60% return again.

Then you TT everything, buy ammo and shoot again until you run out. Another 60% return and so on.

If this is what you doing, then that is what you get. That is why google sheets and math is awesome. If I see constant 80% and 75% and 80%, I think that loot is total shit. But when I finish my Iron, I see 94% TT return, wasnt too bad in long run. Add markup and I'm doing fine.

I refuse to believe people are playing with 50-60% return as they claim. It's made up bullshit.

Agreed 100%, its easy to see 60% runs recycling ammo and shrap as the 1 run can effectively 3-4 runs, the worst iron i've ever completed was Longu at 90% inc MU, usually sit in the 96-99% mark, even had 2 above 100%. its very unlikely to see two 60% run following eachother

best is to take UA only, shoot it all away then stop tally up before you convert that shrap you looted

 

[morfoc]

I understand that the game has become too complicated for my game style (i having fun typing a few monsters and doing my iron missions) will make just 3000/5000 $ years less in the game, not big loss
good luck to all

You talk to me about entertainment (sacred entertainment to play his money to lose) but it becomes limiting a job not lose money
It will be necessary to know it is an entertainment or a work?

 

[kater]

You guys realy debating on this topic

Cheers!

 

[Pratahn]

You talk to me about entertainment (sacred entertainment to play his money to lose) but it becomes limiting a job not lose money
It will be necessary to know it is an entertainment or a work?

Well, usually for entertainment a man has pay because some1 has to create this entertainment. If you know where you can find an entertainment AND the creator of the entertainment pays you to get entertained, then pls msg me to go there. And GL with finding such...

 

[messi91]

I understand that the game has become too complicated for my game style (i having fun typing a few monsters and doing my iron missions) will make just 3000/5000 $ years less in the game, not big loss
good luck to all

You talk to me about entertainment (sacred entertainment to play his money to lose) but it becomes limiting a job not lose money
It will be necessary to know it is an entertainment or a work?

so if your "style" doesn't work why don't you see what others are doing?
I'm sure you can find some good examples if you know where you search.

 

[morfoc]

Well, usually for entertainment a man has pay because some1 has to create this entertainment. If you know where you can find an entertainment AND the creator of the entertainment pays you to get entertained, then pls msg me to go there. And GL with finding such...

Since 2003 it is me who pays it my entertainment I just ask to have a minimum to survive in return what is not the case, to hear you say that I complain about not to have become a millionaire.

 

[Surya]

typical of soldiers... they know how to shoot but not why

 

[morfoc]

so if your "style" doesn't work why don't you see what others are doing?
I'm sure you can find some good examples if you know where you search.

I'm not stupid any more I tried !!!
I tried several combinations of weapons blp or laser
Different armor or nothing
But I just can not understand you ,MA is in try to eat my money without giving me anything in my lvl deposit and i'm not single!!.
Has you listen I will not even right to finish my iron atrox and go to the ambu or aurli without changing all my equipment if to oblige to lose everything it becomes ridiculous.

I know that I consome a lot and not always profitable in everything but stop to take me for an idiot ,I like likewise a good palmares hunting or craft it is that I invested myself, I did not clicked randomly Each shot

 

[morfoc]

typical of soldiers... they know how to shoot but not why

We shoot so that you remain quiet in your bed sleeping, if you know may not be why

 

[ChadGareau]

Hi Everyone ... it's been a while since I've posted, but I had to put my 2 cents in. I agree with most, returns are definitely not where they should be and haven't been for ages. It is the main reason why I've been away as I refuse to depo when returns are so low. I pop in now and then but I won't depo anymore until MA fixes the "balance" or lack of.


Chad