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The quality of the general environment for Entropia players is important. This is what builds the community, retains players, and allows new and experienced players to enjoy the social aspect of the game.

Cheating and exploiting does have a negative effect on this, and should be dealt with. However, toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord has far more potent of a negative effect.

If you believe certain players or groups have gained an unfair advantage via cheating/exploiting, you have several avenues to approach this:

File support cases
Discuss in your society
Discuss publicly
Discuss privately

All of these are fine. However, if complaints about your discussion are received, or you are asked to change your approach as it is coming across as disruptive to other players, one should do as asked. If you choose not to do as a MindArk Official, Live Support Official, or Planet Partner Official has requested in this situation, you may be temporarily removed from the situation, in an attempt to reduce toxicity and disruption to gameplay.


-Heimdall
 

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The quality of the general environment for Entropia players is important. This is what builds the community, retains players, and allows new and experienced players to enjoy the social aspect of the game.

Cheating and exploiting does have a negative effect on this, and should be dealt with. However, toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord has far more potent of a negative effect.

If you believe certain players or groups have gained an unfair advantage via cheating/exploiting, you have several avenues to approach this:

File support cases
Discuss in your society
Discuss publicly
Discuss privately

All of these are fine. However, if complaints about your discussion are received, or you are asked to change your approach as it is coming across as disruptive to other players, one should do as asked. If you choose not to do as a MindArk Official, Live Support Official, or Planet Partner Official has requested in this situation, you may be temporarily removed from the situation, in an attempt to reduce toxicity and disruption to gameplay.


-Heimdall
No we can make a poll to check what majority of players prefer If cheaters beeing ingame with them or public chat trash talk!
 

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The quality of the general environment for Entropia players is important. This is what builds the community, retains players, and allows new and experienced players to enjoy the social aspect of the game.

Cheating and exploiting does have a negative effect on this, and should be dealt with. However, toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord has far more potent of a negative effect.

If you believe certain players or groups have gained an unfair advantage via cheating/exploiting, you have several avenues to approach this:

File support cases
Discuss in your society
Discuss publicly
Discuss privately

All of these are fine. However, if complaints about your discussion are received, or you are asked to change your approach as it is coming across as disruptive to other players, one should do as asked. If you choose not to do as a MindArk Official, Live Support Official, or Planet Partner Official has requested in this situation, you may be temporarily removed from the situation, in an attempt to reduce toxicity and disruption to gameplay.


-Heimdall
Great words and as i stated, i`m not that good with words, yet i doubt ONE person can harass an entire group of "players".
Thank you very much for input.
 

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I offered free warp from ark to calypso. I wasn't logged out but tp'ed to space.
Its so wrong of them, but then just tp you out to space without a word is hilarious cold. Wth :eyecrazy:
 

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i doubt ONE person can harass an entire group of "players".
"Majority rule" & "keep the peace", might be the social justice mindset, when such a call is made. Im not saying thats acurate, just a stab in the dark. :poke::dunno:
 

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There is an option ingame chat that let you ignore an avatar!
Aaah!:ahh: That did not even come to mind lol :ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh:

Snap u got me he he he he
 

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Cheating and exploiting does have a negative effect on this, and should be dealt with. However, toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord has far more potent of a negative effect.
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-Heimdall
Since when making jokes and speaking the truth is considered toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord?
Also, many players seem to disagree, actually cheating and exploiting has far more potent of a negative effect than a few jokes in a public chat...

...
If you believe certain players or groups have gained an unfair advantage via cheating/exploiting, you have several avenues to approach this:

File support cases
Discuss in your society
Discuss publicly
Discuss privately
...
-Heimdall
File support cases - for how many years? obviously doesn`t help
Discuss in your society - obviously doesn`t help
Discuss publicly - it seems to help a little!...
Discuss privately - obviously doesn`t help

which one would you chose if you were us?
 

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Since when making jokes and speaking the truth is considered toxicity, badgering, harassment, and consistent spreading of discord?
Also, many players seem to disagree, actually cheating and exploiting has far more potent of a negative effect than a few jokes in a public chat...
First the person made a little joke about the hog issue to the Official, we had a laugh. Then she was talking about it some more. Then she kept going and going on it and it got very annoying. The Official asked to stop( the bad vibes), she refused...

I find cheating very disrespectful, even criminal. However I find rude language disrespectful as well.
I consider high emotions from people concerning cheating, NOT as a justification to publically vent and trashtalk.
 

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Great words and as i stated, i`m not that good with words, yet i doubt ONE person can harass an entire group of "players".
Thank you very much for input.
Try telling that to a specific person in Rookie chat...ONE person can definitely harass an entire group.
But that entire group can also use the in-game function known as 'ignore avatar'.

In fact, if you open a support case about harrasment in chat, it is one of the things support advise you to do.
The other side is that the person will not know you have put them on ignore, and in the case of cheating claims will just take your silence as confirmation, which may enrage them to spout more in chat. Those new to the area will have the enjoyment of listening to one person mouthing off and may decide to leave instead of join in due to the 'drama'.

What the PP did was correct, and has happened on other occasions, including Ark, Cyrene and Monria in different forms. Not necessarily ejecting someone from the area as in this case, but silencing from chat which is just as effective. The talk going on should have been directed in PM's once the PP avatar asked them to stop.
Continuing on shows no respect to others and warrents intervention.

Like it or not, people need to learn to grow up. IRL, if you kept mouthing off after being asked to stop, you would most likely end up on the floor. Also not surprised in the least by the avatar in question, not the first time i have seen them being disruptive in chat.
 

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What is really happening is far from the propaganda that is being spewed here. First off, the people being accused of cheating in this thread have never placed in an event since yogs came out. I got mine during this whole cheating thing. I am sure someone dumped theirs on me because of this situation. Anyone here is capable of going back 18-24 months and seeing who potential cheaters are. They used yogs to win events. You will not see my name there. What this really boils down to is some people dislike other people for whatever reasons and they use anything to start trouble. MA has said repeatedly that the exploit is fixed. Just because someone has a yog out now, does not make them a cheater. There are people that obviously do not realize that. What i do find interesting is that almost all the support for this thread, came from 1 soc. That soc has at least 1 member who commented here, and is pointing fingers. THAT MEMBER ALSO OWNED A YOG, AND HAS PLACED IN SEVERAL EVENTS. Hmmmm. The person making this thread has been asked to let this situation go for weeks. She has had at least one thread like this locked and been punished for it. She continues. She has also made statements about how rich she is, claims she owns a casino, she should have her way, and everyone else is wrong. This is just to give an idea what that poor dev was dealing with. I am sure someone will make negative comments about me after i post this, simply because they do not like me. This is indeed what is the problem with EU. People post to defend their friends, instead of the facts. Nobody at that event was cheating. Yes some had yogs. YOGS ARE FIXED. LET IT GO. I personally am sick of hearing you accuse people of cheating when MA has clearly announced that it is fixed. I am also sick of you calling me a cheater 15x a day when i clearly acquired the yog during this issue, and have not won or even placed in any events since it was introduced. There is no favoritism, there is no defending anyone, u simply do not understand how damned annoying you are, and u pushed the dev too far. Do yourself and everyone a favor, and, LET IT GO.
 

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my issue is simple (fyi im the dude with the smuggled yeungling) I was shooting having a good time, people started crying in chat and making my well deserved buzz of my limited supply of alcohol go away.

Ruining a Yeungling buzz should be a bannable offense as the closest place to obtain it is a 5 hours 1 way drive.
 

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The quality of the general environment for Entropia players is important. .....
Cheating and exploiting does have a negative effect on this.....

File support cases
Discuss in your society
Discuss publicly
Discuss privately

...

-Heimdall
wow. just wow. are we talking about the same "game"?
you mebe living in a parallel universe? im living in a universe where cheater/exploiter which costs your playerbase money are punished with by throwing cotton swabs on them, IF they are even punished ...

i tell you what, get your facts together, get a quality of code that fits a REAL CASH economy and stop posting nonsense. file a support case, lol. then do it, make a blank avatar, write a support case and see how your colleagues are treating you. then come back and teach us what to do. thanks.
 

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What is really happening is far from the propaganda that is being spewed here. First off, the people being accused of cheating in this thread have never placed in an event since yogs came out. I got mine during this whole cheating thing. I am sure someone dumped theirs on me because of this situation. Anyone here is capable of going back 18-24 months and seeing who potential cheaters are. They used yogs to win events. You will not see my name there. What this really boils down to is some people dislike other people for whatever reasons and they use anything to start trouble. MA has said repeatedly that the exploit is fixed. Just because someone has a yog out now, does not make them a cheater. There are people that obviously do not realize that. What i do find interesting is that almost all the support for this thread, came from 1 soc. That soc has at least 1 member who commented here, and is pointing fingers. THAT MEMBER ALSO OWNED A YOG, AND HAS PLACED IN SEVERAL EVENTS. Hmmmm. The person making this thread has been asked to let this situation go for weeks. She has had at least one thread like this locked and been punished for it. She continues. She has also made statements about how rich she is, claims she owns a casino, she should have her way, and everyone else is wrong. This is just to give an idea what that poor dev was dealing with. I am sure someone will make negative comments about me after i post this, simply because they do not like me. This is indeed what is the problem with EU. People post to defend their friends, instead of the facts. Nobody at that event was cheating. Yes some had yogs. YOGS ARE FIXED. LET IT GO. I personally am sick of hearing you accuse people of cheating when MA has clearly announced that it is fixed. I am also sick of you calling me a cheater 15x a day when i clearly acquired the yog during this issue, and have not won or even placed in any events since it was introduced. There is no favoritism, there is no defending anyone, u simply do not understand how damned annoying you are, and u pushed the dev too far. Do yourself and everyone a favor, and, LET IT GO.
Its my achievement thread, say gratz or go with your escuses somwere else( not participating in any event but exploiting daily is stil exploit, not saying you did it..you know if you did), please stay on topic!
To be clear i also do not complain in any way that i got booted out by a PPO.
The favoritism that is made by some to others that do talk all day long on discord thing might be a good subject to another thread! :offtopic:
 

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my issue is simple (fyi im the dude with the smuggled yeungling) I was shooting having a good time, people started crying in chat and making my well deserved buzz of my limited supply of alcohol go away.

Ruining a Yeungling buzz should be a bannable offense as the closest place to obtain it is a 5 hours 1 way drive.
I am really sorry for your loss but cant blaim all on me..i was only typing like 4-5 lines of text? the ones felt offensed jumped out burnt and messed all the chat should chip in, as they like to say, and send you a new stack of Yeungling! :beerchug:
 

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the people being accused of cheating in this thread have never placed in an event since yogs came out.
I don't know you.
I don't know who accuse who of what.
I didn't even read the whole thread.

But I just want to react to this, because I've read this "argument" several times, in different threads.

And I just want to make it clear.
The fact that a person hasn't won an event, is absolutely not a proof that they didn't cheat.
You can cheat and still lose. :)

Most people who feel the need to cheat, do it because they are bad, they are unable to win when playing by the rules.
Someone who's good at PvP, don't need a triger-bot for example.
That's the lousy one who will try to cheat.
Therefore, being basically losers, they manage to lose despite they cheat.. :rolleyes:

And of course, when it comes to the Yogs cheat, many people focus on events,
but they have been used for other things, like PvP, Land grab, and obviously simply hunting.

It's just a clarification on that point.

Of course it's complicated when you see accusations flying back and forth, but it's inevitably due to the fact that MA doesn't punish cheaters.

As long as MA doesn't wake up on this point, we will see more and more of this kind of thing happening, because most people don't tolerate inequity. (rightly so)

Some speak.
Most remain silent but think no less.. Hungry for justice. :smash:
 

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This thread does not belong in the Achievements forum, and therefore has been moved.

Also, since there has been an escalation of personal attacks and accusations of exploits, and this thread offers nothing new to discussions already taking place in other threads, it has been closed.

I would also remind all members to keep in mind the following forum rules:

Forum Rules said:
2.2 - Insults/Flaming
Personal attacks, insults, rudeness, racism, threats, name calling or unnecessarily inflammatory posts are not permitted. Posts of this nature will be edited or deleted by the Community Staff without notice and the offending member may be temporarily or permanently banned without notice. It is important to keep in mind that PlanetCalypsoForum is a global community and what might be acceptable behavior or language in one country may not be acceptable in others. Common courtesy, politeness and respect for fellow members and forum staff, along with constructive posting of opinions is essential in preventing posts from being edited and/or deleted, or having threads locked.

2.3 - Personal Disputes
Personal issues between individuals or societies should NOT be debated in the public forum areas and are not permitted. Such threads will be removed without notice, since they often promote an escalation of rudeness, insults, and flaming. If you feel that another member has attacked you unfairly, send a private message to a forum moderator or administrator. If you feel that an Entropia Universe participant has wronged, defrauded or harassed you, file a support case at PlanetCalypso.com.

3.6 - Real-world Controversial Discussion
Discussion of real world politics, nationalism, religion, war, or other similarly controversial topics is NOT permitted or appropriate for this forum. PlanetCalypsoForum, as the game, is a global community with players from many different countries around the world. Discussion of such topics often disrupts the forum community. Therefore, refrain from starting or participating in any such discussions, as they will be deleted from the forum without notice.
Members who habitually ignore these rules after repeated warnings will be temporarily banned from the forum.

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