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News: Introducing TWEN Token

Msturlese said:
those rings are indeed useful but the otrageous number of tokens needed make them loose the comp0etition toward existing items.
i mean they are 200k tokens the combo
a perfect ares tis 2000 ped
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There must be some wrong stat on them ... just like latest seasonal ring :D
 
@Ludvig|MindArk Its possible I may have missed a post or something but.
Whats the plan with all the TWEN Tokens that are still dropping?
As i'm sure most people do I have a pile (if only small) growing in storage.

In short, whats the point in them still dropping if we cant do anything with them...
Are there future plans for them before TWEN ends?
 
DistantSun said:
@Ludvig|MindArk Its possible I may have missed a post or something but.
Whats the plan with all the TWEN Tokens that are still dropping?
As i'm sure most people do I have a pile (if only small) growing in storage.

In short, whats the point in them still dropping if we cant do anything with them...
Are there future plans for them before TWEN ends?
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Vendor restock once tokens reach 0.01 PED/ea.
 
DistantSun said:
@Ludvig|MindArk Its possible I may have missed a post or something but.
Whats the plan with all the TWEN Tokens that are still dropping?
As i'm sure most people do I have a pile (if only small) growing in storage.

In short, whats the point in them still dropping if we cant do anything with them...
Are there future plans for them before TWEN ends?
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There is still some items to buy in the vendor
 
Hijacker27 said:
And once price drops enough people will go for them. Price will eventually match supply and demand until all items are gone.
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i would bet there's already enough tokens in the game to buy what remains on the vendor with quite a bit to spare. and most of the items that remain would only be a decent buy if token values dropped to around 1-2pec. not counting any ped cost at vendor!
 
jwestonmoss said:
i would bet there's already enough tokens in the game to buy what remains on the vendor with quite a bit to spare. and most of the items that remain would only be a decent buy if token values dropped to around 1-2pec. not counting any ped cost at vendor!
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And prices on tokens must drop until they're worth it... market forces in action!
 
easy solution is somke consumables... hyperstim twen?
 
jwestonmoss said:
i would bet there's already enough tokens in the game to buy what remains on the vendor with quite a bit to spare. and most of the items that remain would only be a decent buy if token values dropped to around 1-2pec. not counting any ped cost at vendor!
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Maybe. Maybe not.

If there is they wont sell untill a buyer deems the price worth the price of the item. So whats the argument here?
 
There are still very interesting items left in the vendor. Low level, mid level, end game level players are still buying them. Lots of people buying tokens, lots of people keeping looted tokens. Supply of tokens on ah adjusts to demand...
 
Evey, maybe its me but.... i saw
1. critical scopes for range items... they cost 8k... more than a critical ring
2. last MCMatrix attachment kind. i adds about 0.4% to the total DPS, well every bit counrs but...
3. MMatrix attach, there is a 2 ped cost for a 50k swing attachment... it needs to decay 4k or 200.000.000 swings (with a quick weapon like a 76*1.15 knife.... 5244 swing per hour it is 38.138 hours before amortizing the extra cost... 4 years of non stop swinging (24/7)
4. and adjusteed fap, i cant value it
5.- a coup'le of rings with curious stats that are probably in the 3000 ped range or 0.02 ped per token to be interesting

i cant appreciate the "good items" that you see...
i feel like there are WAY better alternatives in the game for less peds
 
People need to accept there are different perspectives. If someone values something it doesn't mean it's the same value for everyone.

1. They are still a lot of tokens compared to the total of items purchased so far. I can assure you if the remaining items would have been the only items since the begining of TWEN, their price would have been a lot higher, about 3 times higher.
2. It's something to have in the toolkit of a hunter. They will be a lot more valuable in the future as more peopel transition to melee.
3. Imagine this being added when M-Matrix also were added. When the L ones were like 60 PED one.
4 & 5 - there are different players with different reach and budgets. Low level players could enjoy those tools and the angle from. Ma is that lower level players could grind for something valuable for themselves and they must have run some numbers to check how much time a low level player would need to gather enough tokens to pull an adjusted FAP. Or a pair of TWEN rings.

They all are good items. They are ofc lower grade than the previous pulled item from the TWEN venor but then again the target has to be the the whole spectrum from lowest level to highest level players.
There was a player that pulled from vendor a SB10 when the needed batch of tokens was worth 45k. There were better alternatives for that kind of PED but maybe not for the guy. In the begining high level players bought from the lower level player tokens to buy goodies and now it should go the other way around because the items were for all levels...

When I saw the vendor and I was going through items I was thinking, I'll take that, and that and that and that and .... fuck it, give me one of each please. The vendor was really well packed. I spent over 600k tokens and I would have spent way more if I could but I'm very happy there were so many new things in there for all levels.
 
I don't think tokens will go low enough to justify people buying the vendor out unless MA comes out and says explicitly: "The TWEN event is over, no new items or vendors will be coming." At the current prices the overwhelming number of players I suspect are stacking them and hoping for MA to introduce some kind of L items or consumables. They're rolling the dice on it since the opportunity cost is so low. If MA said today unequivocally that TWEN is just what you see and no more, I'd dump my tokens at the going rate immediately. For 8 pec apiece? I'll hold em.
 
Msturlese said:
Evey, maybe its me but.... i saw
1. critical scopes for range items... they cost 8k... more than a critical ring
2. last MCMatrix attachment kind. i adds about 0.4% to the total DPS, well every bit counrs but...
3. MMatrix attach, there is a 2 ped cost for a 50k swing attachment... it needs to decay 4k or 200.000.000 swings (with a quick weapon like a 76*1.15 knife.... 5244 swing per hour it is 38.138 hours before amortizing the extra cost... 4 years of non stop swinging (24/7)
4. and adjusteed fap, i cant value it
5.- a coup'le of rings with curious stats that are probably in the 3000 ped range or 0.02 ped per token to be interesting

i cant appreciate the "good items" that you see...
i feel like there are WAY better alternatives in the game for less peds
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When dose TWEN ends so i can set a timer for cataclysmic price shift
 
Evey said:
I can assure you if the remaining items would have been the only items since the begining of TWEN, their price would have been a lot higher, about 3 times higher.
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Thats why SB-10 was pulled at a different price. Relative market value.
As @Msturlese said: Those are not "good items" not because of the lower/higher stats, but because you have to pay more, on the current market, for the same stats.
 
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its all basis of supply and demand,. what Eve said there's still nice items.

i would like 1-2 more items that are still there. but for me i'm not willing to pay 8-10k for an item that i dont use that much or value it less. some people do and bought it.

i just hope that the prices drop to the point where i can say yes thats what i want to pay and start gathering, if other people have a higher treshhold then sad for me, but thats how supply and demand works :).
 
The Mind said:
Thats why SB-10 was pulled at a different price. Relative market value.
As @Msturlese said: Those are not "good items" not because of the lower/higher stats, but because you have to pay more, on the current market, for the same stats.
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and typically it is very difficult to get people to pay above-market rates for something UNLESS they believe the conditions of the future support a long term value appreciation. however for most gear the opposite is true.
 
jwestonmoss said:
and typically it is very difficult to get people to pay above-market rates for something UNLESS they believe the conditions of the future support a long term value appreciation. however for most gear the opposite is true.
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Yeah... Unless they are the spoiled rich bitches that play this game and want what they want when they want it for any price and to hell with the market. Lol

I think you give to much credit to the logic many possess in this game.

Market price for items (not resources) is seldom determined by logic or supply and demand. Usually it's determined by how much the biggest lunatic with deep pockets is willing to shell out for what they want. And then people (resellers) believe that should be the going price. Lol

So yeah, probably some neat items still in there, but what's left is hardly anyone's first choice from what was in there.
 
sb10 was pulled at @45k because the player that pulled it was in a hurry and did not think about gaining some more tokens to get something even beter. Usually and that was my play style for a long time, when i needed another 200 lysterium to craft something (this is an example) i payed even 200% if the adrenaline was asking me to craft that one item in that one particular explicit moment. So what im saying, this game is compesed by 60% people with enough inteligence and pacience to wait for the right oportunity and 40% that are losing a lot because of the hof chasing and adrenaline felt by doing gambles. and inj this game there are a lot of gamblers. EU is way way way a higher gambling machine than a real casino.

And i hope there wont be a refill because the impact on prices is huge, a t10 slug 20k? wtf. and i see ppl selling imk2 t7-9 for a smaller price than the actual price for tiering it. Crazy times, good times for the pullers ofc, they are making money non stop.

And as a final thought, MA finally figured that if they give enough highend tools ppl will use them non stop and that% they gain though that is more than if they wouldnt have so many bots farming.
 
Evey said:
People need to accept there are different perspectives.
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No. This is a numbers game.

It can all be calculated and a formula derived to value items inherently, based on their stats and benefits they provide, although nobody has publicly released their pricing guide yet.

@Msturlese has the jist of it. You, on the other hand (like many others) bank on there being a high degree of speculation in the market so that you can prey on the ignorance of those lower in the gear and skill heirachy.
 
unufain8 said:
and i see ppl selling imk2 t7-9 for a smaller price than the actual price for tiering it.
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The people who tiered the gun are not the same people as the ones selling it to be fair.
 
The Great Adventurer said:
No. This is a numbers game.
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Yes it's a numbers game but you need a few cells in the brain to understand the numbers.
- A 20% crit damage attachment, nice tool, does something for the casual player that has few hours a day and has a LP40 perfected and the same item has a totally different value for a LP120 user that puts in 20 hours a day.
- And adj TWEN does nothing for me, I'm better off using L FAPs. At the same time it's pure gold for someone starting this year...
- MC Matrix Mk3 would be nice for someone with SB 90 or the new RDI blades, they would probably value it at 10-20k, but on a mod nano t10 is priceless.

For as long as most LP120 users, BC120, BP130 etc don't haved this slot (sights), LP40 users would better off staying far from these items because the impact on their setup is not as big to spend tas much as a top DPS weapon is willign to spend. same for MC Matrix 3. For as long as mod nano users don't all have a good MC Matrix, a SB 90, LB 40 users won't justify at same value these items.


jambon said:
Yeah... Unless they are the spoiled rich bitches that play this game and want what they want when they want it for any price and to hell with the market. Lol
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You can call them people with a lot more money. For some other people you are in this category as well sometimes. The market is everything between the extremes. There are people for which numbers ave to make sense, there are people who don't give a fuck and just want to trade something, either sell or buy. We can argue all day that SB10 should be 4k, the guy was fine paying 45k. Rest of the SB10 owners will not give a crap about our arguments, they would like to find also a trade for 45k. It's so easy...
 
There seems to be a huge gap between "priceless" items on the forum and the ingame situation of people keeping tokens, just in case of some L is placed on the vendor.
Maybe because that gap is filled with other/better alternatives.
 
the gap between things ingame is not measured by ped, its measured by skills and braincells

there is a big diference in " i wait untill items hit a comfortable value " and " i buy it now because i want progress "

its a choice to stay under lvl 100 for the next 10 years or hit above 100 within one year...

people on forum who do not play the game complain about things.
people ingame who play the game develop theyr avatar.

its like claiming you cant swim without ever touched the whater...

go grab the thing you want and try out whats possible...

ok now we can argue about prices on things but fact is if you dont waste A. peds or B. time you wont go anywhere...
again, your choice
 
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