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Joker said:
well mainly i wanted to see how MA support could say these types of things to sooooo many people... and based on my findings they did not lie :) everyones average global size improves as they hunt more...

Support case from forum somewhere...
"The basic condition for all avatars within the Entropia Universe is the same, meaning that you have the same chance to succeed as everybody else. Each individual can influence his/her success by gathering more experience and by using appropriate equipment, but still there is also the general economy of the virtual universe affecting your experience.
Apart from this, there is not much more information we can give you in this case. Maybe it does not look too bright for you now, but we can ensure you that your success will improve sooner or later."
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I am sick of the people suggesting MA is a casino... yes it is nice that the occasional noob gets an uber... but from a statistic standpoint... MA is clearly not a casino...


Entropia is NOT close to a casino... by any means...

MA has stated in everyone's support case who has bitched about returns... "your luck will change"

They can say this because it is true and this is what gets EU around gambling laws....

THE MORE U HUNT.... the more skills you get and or the better your loot gets...

If you check entropiatracker... you can see what i mean...
http://entropiatracker.com/index.asp...alltimeTopList

all the top hunters averages are 120-150 average global size (total globals divided by loot)
all the top miners average are between 130-170 average global size


now if you look at anyone with 100-300 globals their average global size will be between 85-100 peds...

there of course will be some outliers... but this trend holds true to 99% of all players...

So you see from a statistic standpoint MA is not a casino... there is a formula that goes into loot... and all people are the same in the end... on an average global standpoint...

I am not suggesting profits happen for all... but i am suggesting all peoples average global size increases...

For example...

My society mate... had around 781 globals... and 75k TT value...
this is a 96 ped average global size... far too small with someone at almost 800 globals... (compared to other hunters...)

I told him to keep it up... he should be around 100-110 peds TT on his global average by now...
110-96 = 4-14 peds... MA was shorting him 4-14 peds per global for the amount of globals he had... and to get to 110 he would need... 4-14 x 782 = around 7-10k pedder... or many hofs...


a week or 2 later he hit a 8.8k ped prot...

everyone should look at their stat tracker... and see how many globals they have...

for me i am a little above average... then most
Joker Poker Uber Smoker
131314 PED ....967 hunting globals = 135 peds average hunting loot



anyways... i hope this helps explain why and how MA is not a casino...

and shows how as you hunt more... statistically speaking... ur loot values increase... it maybe due to skills or just peds cycled... I don't have that answer...

At casinos... the more and more you pump money in... there is no grantee a higher return...
at Entropia... the more and more money you pump in (hunting and mining) there is a grantee your return will become higher and higher...

it has to... to aviod any gambling laws ;)

Joker said:
you can not and will not prove me wrong..

95 % of all players in EU will fall into my parameters...

that means for people who dont understand...

Every 100 hunters that read this... 95 of you will fall in the levels i specified..
5 of you unluck or lucky people will be outside...



Globals 0-100 average of 80-95 peds
Globals 100-300 average of 90-105 peds
Globals 300-600 average of 100-115 peds
Globals 600-1k average of 105-130 peds
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And again for those who dont read very well...
I make no claims about profit... or time spent... or weapons used...

I specifically LOOK AT GLOBALS vs Total Loot


Joker said:
assuming one doesnt sell their skills each hunt... then your skills increase after every hunt correct?

this does mean that as your skills increase... or you hunt more... your loot increases as well...


but again i dont claim its skill based...just making an observation...

More globals one has = higher average global size... thats my only true claim
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better hunters hunt harder mobs
better miners use bigger amps
better crafters use higher TT each craft
thats why they global more and you know it

if you aim for ATH its a casino indeed

its hard(too hard) for the average player to break even
since MA takes a cut out of loot and those ATH's needs funding also
thats why MA gets so many supportcalls

before it was not so bad since the high markup on items
but atm the markup of most items is low
 
Poker sites like UltimateBet take a cut, as well as cut some more for the Bad Beat Jackpot(similar to ATH) But it is certainly possible to break even or make a profit. If you are not bad.
 
More advanced players play higher stakes.
 
Joker said:
At casinos... the more and more you pump money in... there is no grantee a higher return...
at Entropia... the more and more money you pump in (hunting and mining) there is a grantee your return will become higher and higher.
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..Disagree

Aside from the "fun factor" eu offers, what else can you call putting real money into something for a chance to win,, more money? I guess I can see the "paying for entertainment factor" but this is not like any other monthly fee type game so therefor there is the gamble element. But thats just my opinion,, gl with that jackpot errr ath. ;)
 
Here is something i found...and might help out... these are not exact numbers... but should help you see if you are doing above average or below...
there is some overlap with these numbers because not everyone is going to perform at the top end... and not everyone will perform at the bottom end...

Globals 0-100 average of 80-95 peds
Globals 100-300 average of 90-105 peds
Globals 300-600 average of 100-115 peds
Globals 600-1k average of 105-130 peds

not to mention the more likely it is you hit a bigger hof ;) which increases ur average significantly
 
Joker said:
MA is not a casino... proof
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We really didn't need to bring this up again...

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”
-Stuart Chase
 
Botchla said:
..Disagree

Aside from the "fun factor" eu offers, what else can you call putting real money into something for a chance to win,, more money? I guess I can see the "paying for entertainment factor" but this is not like any other monthly fee type game so therefor there is the gamble element. But thats just my opinion,, gl with that jackpot errr ath. ;)
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your missing the point... I am showing you they are 2 diffrent beasts... i understand that someone could loose all their money... but someone can do that in a business... or investing...

EU gives back higher returns... the longer u play... and grow your avatar... FACT...

Casinos do not have to give out better returns the longer you play... and there is no skill gain ;) FACT...
 
Joker said:

Globals 0-100 average of 80-95 peds
Globals 100-300 average of 90-105 peds
Globals 300-600 average of 100-115 peds
Globals 600-1k average of 105-130 peds
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Check your stats and prove me wrong i bet 95% of everyone will be within these parameters... I noticed the more i hunted the bigger my globals got... i noticed more hofs... which increased my average...

again the proof is there... post your stats if u want ;) this global average list isnt perfert... but a rough guestmate of how it should be


This is mainly for hunting btw...

mining is close... but the global average size increases at the lower end...
 
Mr Trayles said:
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”
-Stuart Chase
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While I believe what Joker is trying to say here, this quote sums up what the following pages of this thread will entail.

People that believe will simply say they agree, people that don't believe or don't want to believe will find a way to dispute it.

Though I can be fairly certain in my prediction that the disputers will not come up with any numbers or evidence as to why this theory is false... ;)
 
Joker said:
Here is something i found...and might help out... these are not exact numbers... but should help you see if you are doing above average or below...
there is some overlap with these numbers because not everyone is going to perform at the top end... and not everyone will perform at the bottom end...

Globals 0-100 average of 80-95 peds
Globals 100-300 average of 90-105 peds
Globals 300-600 average of 100-115 peds
Globals 600-1k average of 105-130 peds

not to mention the more likely it is you hit a bigger hof ;) which increases ur average significantly
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Well don´t look at my stats:

Average Hunting Global = 99,x PED
Average Mining Global = 1756,x PED
Average Crafting Global = 149,x PED

Average All Globals = 160,35 PED

Total Globals Recorded = 270

But hey, there are a lot of globals missing, that happened befor Tracker existed, and those would show some more UBERs that would definately increase my average gloabl value.

So where am I really? Above 1k Globals ? Maybe :D

I am just lucky, or do I play smart ?
 
If this is a casino...then will be the first casino where some lucky guys can win and to do withdrawals of money, without never been deposited only one penny in the game before.

I have many more words that could define more precisely what are EU. But I think that i must not to say these words because MA could take me to trial in court :D:D:D
 
Joker said:
This is mainly for hunting btw...

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GoNi said:
Well don´t look at my stats:

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19686 PED looted
198 globals

99.5 peds or so average HUNTing

you are exactly where you should be... gratz ;)

as for mining obviously u hit that big fatty... if you subtract that from your total... you have
562 peds in mining
7 globals...

80 peds or so average MINING... again perfect
 
test it out if you dont believe in this... i have checked it out indepth... and 95% of all people in game will be within where i said you would be...

the 5% outliers... are usually ABOVE these stats... not very often will you find someone below them...


this also shows MA treats almost everyone the same... from a statistic standpoint
 
I agree EU is not a Casino .. as you have to wait 3mnth for your cash :laugh:
 
Xavier_Jr said:
If this is a casino...then will be the first casino where some lucky guys can win and to do withdrawals of money, without never been deposited only one penny in the game before.

I have many more words that could define more precisely what are EU. But I think that i must not to say these words because MA could take me to trial in court :D:D:D
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pls share with us..if u said A u must say B too...
 
215378 ped 1524 globals tracked
141.32 ped avg, I should stop while I'm up.
Now buy my gun :D
 
Joker said:
I am sick of the people suggesting MA is a casino... yes it is nice that the occasional noob gets an uber... but from a statistic standpoint... MA is clearly not a casino...


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THE MORE U HUNT.... the more skills you get and or the better your loot gets...


all the top hunters averages are 120-150 average global size (total globals divided by loot)

now if you look at anyone with 100-300 globals their average global size will be between 85-100 peds...

there of course will be some outliers... but this trend holds true to 99% of all players...

;)
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what a load of balls
 
and this is an average... some people may choose to only hunt big game mobs... which may increase their odds at being outside of these parameters... but if most hunt with in their means... they should definatly be in the places i said...

and of course mining... if you only mind CND... with fatty amps... u will probably prove it wrong... but i havent given a mining global chart YET
 
Joker said:
19686 PED looted
198 globals

99.5 peds or so average HUNTing

you are exactly where you should be... gratz ;)

as for mining obviously u hit that big fatty... if you subtract that from your total... you have
562 peds in mining
7 globals...

80 peds or so average MINING... again perfect
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Well hit 2 big fatty in mining :D
And hit a big fatty in hunting, pre tracker, a 19k Armax Bull Guardian, that would double my total hunting globals loot if recorded :D
Still try to hit that big fatty in crafting, but no BP for uL SIB item dropped to me so far ;)
 
Joker said:
test it out if you dont believe in this... i have checked it out indepth... and 95% of all people in game will be within where i said you would be...

the 5% outliers... are usually ABOVE these stats... not very often will you find someone below them...


this also shows MA treats almost everyone the same... from a statistic standpoint
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what a joke
 
Joker said:
test it out if you dont believe in this... i have checked it out indepth... and 95% of all people in game will be within where i said you would be...

the 5% outliers... are usually ABOVE these stats... not very often will you find someone below them...


this also shows MA treats almost everyone the same... from a statistic standpoint
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ok joker your living up to your name! how much MA paying ya? :laugh:

j/k and rep for speaking up ;)
 
You might draw the wrong conclusions here.

Every click in crafting, every looting of a mob, every bomb you drop (probably) does not differ from pulling the handle on a slot machine.
By the stats of your equipment (and your skills being one factor in those stats) / by the mob you choose to kill you just influence your odds. But you still pull the handle. On this level EU (probably) works like a casino.

You might apply tactics to kill a mob cheaper, you might avoid overlapping of the areas you 'search' with each bomb drop, ...
That's where EU differs from a casino.

After all we'll (probably) never know, no matter wether you apply heuristic, empirical, whatever methods. The only truth lies within MA's mighty 'loot formula'.
 
Joker said:
is it Hugh?

hugh hugh willose
153452 PED loot
1470 global

105 ped average global size

13124 PED loot
120 globals

109 ped average global size
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thats on tracker over 4 years - i am talking over the last 6 weeks mate
 
Hugh Willose said:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/hunting/178082-confirmation-loot-sucks-2010-a.html

joker is a joker
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is it Hugh?

hugh hugh willose
153452 PED loot
1470 global

105 ped average global size

13124 PED loot
120 globals

109 ped average global size



as you see you are on the lower end of the hunting... and that maybe because it seems you hunt lower end mobs... Drone 02... Atrox young... etc

on mining your at the top end of the range...

again i dont make any claims you profiting or loosing your peds... i am just stating as you hunt more... and mobs your level... you will get bigger globals... FACT


but to be honest... you should be in the 110-130 range Hugh...

105 - 110 = 5 x 1470 = 7.3k ped hof... or several hofs increasing to the total of 7.3k possibly even bigger...

Go hunt prots ;) hell if you want to team i wouldnt mind leaching on ur loot you are owed
 
Joker said:
is it Hugh?

hugh hugh willose
153452 PED loot
1470 global

105 ped average global size

13124 PED loot
120 globals

109 ped average global size



as you see you are on the lower end of the hunting... and that maybe because it seems you hunt lower end mobs... Drone 02... Atrox young... etc

on mining your at the top end of the range...

again i dont make any claims you profiting or loosing your peds... i am just stating as you hunt more... and mobs your level... you will get bigger globals... FACT
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maybe not - tracker only tracks globals - the spreadsheet says it all, how did i do so well in the past if it is shit atm?
 
rofl, some truth in it.

If I hunt Hogglo Stalker, the average global will be bigger, than hunting Atrox Young :D
 
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