This mission didn't have a counter
Where's the ambiguity here? Afaik, there's no ambiguity, it's all very simple.
That's actually not true. Cyrene has missions like no other planet, it would be nigh impossible to keep one's spirits up without feedback. But there was a bug that occurred during last October's big VU resulting in many disabled mission counters. It had no easy fix except abandoning and re-taking the mission, much to everbody's grief including the planet team. You can read about it on Cyrene forum. PP communication there is excellent in case of problems though, so people are generally "okay" with it in the sense that they go along with offered workarounds.2/3 of Cyrene's missions don't have counters, they just say "Kill 10000 of X" without any way to know how much you've already done until you finish. And people seem ok with it.
Well that's one sloppy excuse.I've seen that image. I don't really get your point.
I've seen that image. I don't really get your point. There's no banana to be seen... by one interpretation of the sign the mission is incomplete. Hence, ambiguous.
The more important point is that, as I said before, no one creates a giveaway contest for a valuable item without promoting it. A random sign on a planet almost no one visits does not constitute promotion. Even Calypso doesn't rely just on in-game communications to promote events, and they've got infinity times more players than NI. This point is why the tempest in the teacup of this thread is so comical. I guess Wildman is amazingly popular, because i've seen far more heinous failures to fulfill without nearly the popular support for the victim than this.
As i said in my first post, i'm not against or for the protagonist, but the hysteria and mass delusion being carried along in this thread is perplexing.
2/3 of Cyrene's missions don't have counters, they just say "Kill 10000 of X" without any way to know how much you've already done until you finish. And people seem ok with it.
But you DO get a mission in your mission log dont you?
Arrgh!!!
It seems we can split the message into 3 statements:
A) Receive bananaAll the important info in the message is included in those 3 statements. Agree?
B) Beat Bruce 5000 times
C) Send support case and get the deed
Next step, how those statements are related in this message?
A = CIt is a very simple pattern, do you agree? And we can safely assume "C" in both cases is indeed the same thing. Right?
B = C
If so, we can also say:
IF A=C AND B=C THEN A=B
OK, So far so good.
At this point we're facing The Contradiction - if indeed A=B (if beating Bruce 5000 times brings the banana), then why didn't this happen ingame?
From here only 2 possibilities, either the message was wrong (meaning, it was meant to say something else, but failed) or (if the message is correct) the game mechanics were broken (meaning, the banana had to drop but failed because of some bug).
And now the conclusion:
In a hindsight it doesn't matter, which one of those 2 possibilities was true. Even if it was the message that was faulty, MA still has to take responsibility and pay up according to the message as it was posted ingame.
Where's the ambiguity here? Afaik, there's no ambiguity, it's all very simple.
Right. All the Swedish patriots, unite!!!First, A=B is not true, there is nothing in the sign saying that you will have a banana after 5000 kills. Nothing absolutly nothing no matter what logic or math is used.
Second why should we forget the associations like amber? From start there has been stated that he didnt feel anything was wrong because you dont always have counters on cyrene, without that association he wouldnt be in this situation. So it seems fair he should also be aware that there may be an item that you wouldnt have looted within the number of kills needed. And therefore again A=B not true
Third, its obvious that nothing is simple or clear, if it had been there would have been no arguments against it.
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A = C
B = C
If so, we can also say:IF A=C AND B=C THEN A=B
Can you post the support ticket?
Support told me to get bent no deed or compensation, waiting to see what planet partner says.
If a High Street company advertised a special deal on an item but failed to mask it off until the due date, or put a splash banner across the display stating the start date, they would have no choice in law but make good on the offer to customers. In what way is this any different. I think MA should take a long hard look at rules regarding false advertising and unfair trading, whether the fault was originally theirs or the PP, the ultimate responsibility for this game rests with them. It is their name on the tin
There isn't a planet partner but you could try having a word with neverdie. It is a Longshot though.
My support response specifically said it was forwarded to the planet partner for action. I have requested this planet partners information pending my future actions.
If a High Street company advertised a special deal on an item but failed to mask it off until the due date, or put a splash banner across the display stating the start date, they would have no choice in law but make good on the offer to customers. In what way is this any different. I think MA should take a long hard look at rules regarding false advertising and unfair trading, whether the fault was originally theirs or the PP, the ultimate responsibility for this game rests with them. It is their name on the tin
This shit is bananas! B A N A N A S!
Every now and again, on a regular basis, MA screws up, a PP screws up, or a combination of both.
Sometimes the type of error is familiar - but sometimes we enter new territory.
For the last few years I have been observing that never-alpha beta-puberty planet fairly close to Calypso. It has massive mission chains on it, with no clearly stated reward for finishing - and apparently sometimes no means of finishing either until something or other is introduced, fixed etc.
Recently, this 'entrapment' in chains which you know not the end of (=where they will lead/how much they will cost) has expanded. The galactic mission anyone??? Bidding on stables would be another one of these 'risks' that some people have taken. Or even plots of land that have a cost, but absolutely unknown functions and further costs associated with them. I guess I could go back as far to the times of being 'hussked' as well. Big risks with absolutely NO idea what may happen, even possibly a no-looter!
So, does this mean that it is ok for people to follow event details on a sign in game and get 'banana-ed'? No, it doesn't, and I consider the examples from the past and present above to be unprofessional too.
In short - MA accept responsibility for mistakes, give an acceptable reward/compensation and do more to make sure such mistakes do not happen again!
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On the point of language skills, MA is actually VERY exact when it wants to be. They have nuances between words such as forthcoming and upcoming, for example.
On other occassions they thank people for their 'inquiry' [sic]. I can usually tell if MA text has been past proof readers who know exactly what the text is supposed to mean (and this can include subtle clues which put non-native speakers very much at a disadvantage). However, even these texts don't always end up error-free...
My support response specifically said it was forwarded to the planet partner for action. I have requested this planet partners information pending my future actions.