Scammer Alert

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Silo

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I got scammed, and so I am going to drop some names so the word gets out to more people and this doesn't happen to others.

I don't have a great screenie showing the scam. Just the one below of me being laughed at by one of the scammers. (God it is embarassing posting this)

[br]Click to enlarge[/br]

So, here is the story.

Moarta Curva1 Curva says she is selling various skills. I asked her about them and she indicated that it was her other avatar, Angelina PenalaRO Jolie that was selling them.

She relogged and said she was a miner and was broke, hence she was selling skills to get ped to continue mining. She didn't have an implant, so I would need to supply one.

A long story short...we worked out a deal, I felt comfortable enough to take the risk of giving an implant to her, and viola...she logged off without filling the chip and selling me the skills.

I don't want to hear about how I shouldn't have done this. I obviously know that now.

I simply want to get the word out so it doesn't happen to more people.

Angelina PenalaRO Jolie is the leader of the Black Dragons society. I don't know if all other 16 members know that their leader is a scammer, but I think they should. I wouldn't be surprised if they did not know (or maybe they are all made up avatars...who knows?).

Shortly after this happened I heard from a couple of other people that knew of these scammers. I'm not going to list those people as it is the victim's choice to come forward in a public forum like this or not (and let me tell you the urge is great to delete this post and not face the shame of naming myself as one who fell for such a stupid scam).

I filed a support case with MA. If anyone is interested, I will post the outcome of that when I get a response. Honestly, I am not that optimistic that anything will come of it.

I could care less about the PED (partially true). For me, it isn't putting me in the poor house. But, I would like to see scammers like this banned from the game. If this would have happened to a new player, they would never play the game again, and that is not good for any of us as we need new blood in the game.

I am not sure if it was one person or multiple people simply timing their log ins and offs on the phone or in the same room. It may have been two as both avatars where online after they finished the scam (I have one of them on FL and the other was in front of me).

If anyone knows more about either of these avatars or the Black Dragons society, I'd like to hear it and it may be beneficial to others.

MB, if you don't think there is enough evidence, etc., for this post to stay on the forum, delete as you see fit.

Regards,

Silo
 
thank you for the info, ill have my eyes open for these guys
 
Thats why I dont buy skills from n00bs. I dont buy skills anyway,but if I was I would make sure the skills was already on a chip so I just had to pay for it in trade
 
great words knuckles, i agree with you to 100%! :D
 
Knuckles said:
Thats why I dont buy skills from n00bs. I dont buy skills anyway,but if I was I would make sure the skills was already on a chip so I just had to pay for it in trade

the avatar was not new. had 50 in agility (only one i remember off hand..the others were around that). true, you may still consider that a noob (that's fine)...i get what you are saying...buy from a trusted, well established person.

apparently, i don't buy skills either...i just give away empty generic skill impants. :mad:
 
Silo said:
So, here is the story.

Moarta Curva1 Curva says she is selling various skills. I asked her about them and she indicated that it was her other avatar, Angelina PenalaRO Jolie that was selling them.

She relogged and said she was a miner and was broke, hence she was selling skills to get ped to continue mining. She didn't have an implant, so I would need to supply one.

hmmm she relogged and you traded with which avatar,Angelina PenalaRO Jolie or Moarta Curva1 Curva ?
No screenshot of the trade , how you gave the chip ? Or the conversation about the deal ?
 
Thanks for posting!

DD
:evilking:
 
Silo said:
MB, if you don't think there is enough evidence, etc., for this post to stay on the forum, delete as you see fit.

Regards,

Silo

I would atleast prefer you waited 24 hours AND be sure to have confronted the said person(s) atleast once more to be sure that you actually was scammed.

I will prolly make that a rule from now on, and i will prolly try and keep any other case posted by other members in one thread, so starting a new thread would simply be merged with an already existing thread.

It's a difficult subject to discuss, and this forum is not intended as a hall of shame, if it happens too often with threads like this i'd prolly have to disallow it.
 
Mr Claude said:
hmmm she relogged and you traded with which avatar,Angelina PenalaRO Jolie or Moarta Curva1 Curva ?
No screenshot of the trade , how you gave the chip ? Or the conversation about the deal ?

is this a carry over from our other "discussion" mr. claude?

but, if you actually want to know the answers...

i traded with Angelina PenalaRO Jolie.

i didn't take a screenshot of the trade because i just got a new computer and hadn't installed grab clip save yet (i did afterwards in hopes of getting them to say something increminating).

i gave the trip throught the trade function.

what about the deal?

i was to give her an empty GSI, she was going to load it with skills, then i was going to buy the skills.

let's not bash me just because we had a difference of opinion on another thread, mr. claude. i am big enough to let go, are you?

regards,

silo
 
Well the same happen a Member of my Soc a few days ago. Other Person same Method.

The Support Response was like : We sorry about that but we can't do anything because we not Responsible if you thrust a Person and give away a Chip without Insurance.

And i can understand this. If they would deal with that they would get flooded with Support Request from People who very Careless because they know hey if i got scammed MA will fix that.

As Knuckles said, buy only Skills who are allready in Chips. Or sell the Person your Empty Skill implant for 175 Ped and Buy back with filled Skills.

If the Person dont have Implant and Monney i wouldnt personally deal with them. I wont say everyone who have no peds and chip is a Scammer but the Risk would too high for me.

I wont be sarcastic and i feel sorry you got Scammed. Lets hope somene else read this and avoid to get scammed from the Same Person :)
 
Silo said:
is this a carry over from our other "discussion" mr. claude?
Nope.

I asked about the screenshots because it would help in a suport case for MA to prove what you say is true. They need to check the logs so exact date , time and location will also help, which you know and will have to provide in the suport case .
GL with the suport case and be more carefull next time, getting scamed is a shitty feeling.
 
Thanx for the warning!

Sorry about the scam :(
 
I do know for sure that a person named aurora rollerrul aurora scammed 3 of my friends and then left our junior soc jurai blood and continued to scam... Support Cases still pending...
 
Knuckles said:
Thats why I dont buy skills from n00bs. I dont buy skills anyway,but if I was I would make sure the skills was already on a chip so I just had to pay for it in trade

There are noobs which selling skills (like me) just cuz i go around with orange clothes doesnt mean i cant pay some kind of an insurance.
 
i would only like to say i found one of the members in that soc. he was a complete noob, he didnt even know what the name of his socleader was...
 
MindBuster said:
I would atleast prefer you waited 24 hours AND be sure to have confronted the said person(s) atleast once more to be sure that you actually was scammed.

I will prolly make that a rule from now on, and i will prolly try and keep any other case posted by other members in one thread, so starting a new thread would simply be merged with an already existing thread.

It's a difficult subject to discuss, and this forum is not intended as a hall of shame, if it happens too often with threads like this i'd prolly have to disallow it.

i understand what you are saying. however, i really like it that we can actually name names here and think that waiting 24 hours in some instances may result in many more people being scammed.

just a thought to consider when you put out a rule.

this is difficult. for instance, i wouldn't put as much stock in a new first time poster's warning of a scam artist at work. i would be hesitant in that case and think it was just name smearing possibly.

you guys know me a bit here, i think. and i just want to make sure no one was as dumb as i was. (yes, i knew better, but stranger things have happened on a saturday night.)

thanks MB!
 
thanks mr. claude, i appreciate it.

sorry for jumping to conclusions. i am just a little sensitive atm.

how do you get screen shots to MA?

i did put in the date and time in the support case, but i doubt i have enough (if any) proof to justify them giving me my implant back.

and fiona, i agree that MA shouldn't just give me the chip back. i am not interested in that. i want the scammers stopped.

it isn't right that they can continue to do this, but then again, it is a tough he said/she said situation. my word against theirs.

even when there may be other cases and more voices, many against one doesn't constitute proof.

that is why a forum like this is important in stopping scammers. MA doesn't have the power to do so, because then it would be too easy for me and my whole soc to simply say someone was a scammer and get them banned. i'd never want that to happen and understand MA's position.

the avatar Aurora was also mentioned to me as a conspirator with the two i named. i didn't want to list it earlier because i heard the info second hand. but, now that it is in the thread, i hear they all work together.
 
regarding banning scammers i just have to say: its not a good idea eventually...

its just if you know a person is a scammer you dont have to find out again...

same person with other avatar/name can do much more damage as he is not known..

i hope somebody understands that :rolleyes:
 
il said:
regarding banning scammers i just have to say: its not a good idea eventually...

its just if you know a person is a scammer you dont have to find out again...

same person with other avatar/name can do much more damage as he is not known..

i hope somebody understands that :rolleyes:

i do. it is the double edged sword. ban them and they come back under a different guise.
 
il have a point but I suppose when it gets known to people that a "he's a scammer" the scammer would make a new avatar anyway.. Specially if his "primary business" in the game is scamming!

The best thing to do in such cases are:
a) only buy skills on chips
b) let who's selling the skills buy the chip from you, dont GIVE it to her :)
 
i received my response for my support case today.

2005-04-11 MindArk Support: Hi and thanks for reporting. Unfortunately MindArk is not responsible for the stuff you lost because of bad transaction with an another avatar. It is your own responsability. We will keep one eye open on this avatar and if it still continue give her/him a warning.
Regards
support

its so nice to know that if they continue scamming people MA will give them a warning. :rolleyes:
 
and after that they ban if im not wrong...
 
I really feel for you silo.


Got scammed once by a so called society m8, its a terrible feeling.

Got same response from support about not getting item back (this was a justifier mk2) but i then found out he racially abused one of my other members who is a good friend, put that in the support case and he's never been seen again. :laugh:

Rusty
 
Silo said:
i received my response for my support case today.



its so nice to know that if they continue scamming people MA will give them a warning. :rolleyes:

I believe that they will closely watch this avatar now Silo and will ban them permanently if sufficient evidence exists that they have done this (I do not obviously know exactly how they define "sufficient").
In any event, sry it happened to you.
 
Sorry to hear about that Silo, dont trust anyone you dont know.
 
Yeah. Trust no one. I lost a Full Vigi male to a "friend".
Never been online since. Grrrrrr :mad:
 
This is a rather old scam, and it exists for about 3 months for sure. I have seen many noob avatars selling "skills", and reported that to MA. MA said: "yup, they are there, we know it. So?"
 
:(
No fun being scammed.
 
***scammer Alert***

Yes, its true, another scammer has been revealed to be added to the list of noob scum :rolleyes: ...

I have an IRL friend that plays the game, that doesnt liek to deposit too much, that plays alot, and needs some extra peds... So i wat i do is i just give him some stuff i dont feel like putting on auction or wait in twin to sell, so he can go sell them for 5-10 peds over what i want and make a profit, liek a job. Ive known him for about 5 years now and he is very reliable and doesnt tell lies and is very truthful.

Today, he had tryed to sell the full tt Fap-50 i had looted a little while back for tt+20. A person by the name of BGHunter The One and Only Gazara had come up to him to him looking to buy the fap. He told him tt+30, when my friend only wanted tt+20.now mind u, im sitting behind him eating pizza and watching tv. so excitly, he says ok, and so the peds r put on the screen. it was a sure deal then all of the sudden he takes the peds of and clicks accept liekt he old bait and switch... Luckly my friend is smart, and didnt get happy enough to jsut give it to him. after seeing this, i headed straight to his leader of his soc Guilty, which was Moonear. I told him the story and how he tryed to scam me, and later he had kicked him.

I will be reporting this person to MA as a warning asking "What happens if they succeed in stealing my stuff", and hopefully punishment will be taken on him. He is currently part of Ah's Angels, and continues to roam around possibly scamming. My theory is that he will look for richer, newer people to the game and trick them so when they do report to MA, they will do nothing about it, and when he tells people they wont bieleave him.

Anyways guys, id like to give u a deads up.... :rolleyes:
 
both the scammers in my case were in game tonight (my time....hehe). i of course gave them a rash of shit. not too much to impede their ability to play though.

i spent a good bit of time in private chat with PenalaRO. she claims she knows absolutely nothing of what i am speaking of. says she was out fishing last weekend.

i told her to send MA a support case asking for her login history to show she was logged in last week. of course, she says she won't do that.

PenalaRO and Moarta were selling ore in Twin Peaks and Moarta was selling at Port Atlantis. they seem to be on the level with their ore sales. i doubt they are going to scam in either of those locations for the simple fact that that is where they sell their goods (the goods the get through mining and the scammed ones too i bet).

i asked PenalaRo who could vouch for her. and she gave me a list of people i have never heard of. in and of itself that isn't surprising. there are over 100k users afterall. here is the list:

analytic tunder analyna
ah byrd
gigi borala
katie taylor

i'm not condeming these people, but....has anyone heard of them? i wouldn't mind speaking with them to see if they really will vouch for her.
 
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