Question: Suggestion on how to save us from the item flood.

Okay, let's draw a picture.
When I started playing in 2006 I first hunted opalo+104; after that I got a MK2 and bought the occasional korss. I cycled a shitton of ped. It was easy, if I was without ped; just a little depo, took my justifier and killed some mobs. It was quite eco, since everyone was uneco those days.

Now last time I took a break, L weapons where actually the reason. Namely I was looking to hunt something, couldn't find a reasonable bargain at BO, so I bid on a couple of guns. I had to wait so I thought and installed another game I didn't play in a while. When I looked back hours later someone surpassed my bid. Now I could look for a new one or play that other game. I chose the latter and I lost track of EU for about 9 months.

I don't think MA likes people drop out for such reasons. I think MA has more benifit in dropping UL gear, reap the profits from you guys tiering it up and using enhancers. Few people will enhance their L stuff, but how many enhancers are put on UL stuff?
Even ubers pay crafters for dmg/range enhancers. They pay MU where they never did. So stuff gets crafted. I'dd say in TT value more stuff is crafted now than is crafted years ago. The most crafted stuff is actually mining amps and is not affected by MU.

And how many weapons will you craft when BTAU and ATAU don't drop anymore? how many crafted weapons where sold versus looted ones?

Thing is, MA does not need to keep the owners of UL enthralled, you did that yourself by "investing" in UL stuff. They got you by the balls so to speak and know you will hunt and try to break even/make profit/chase your dreams of becomming uber/...

The fact is that MA can track alot of stuff and their desiscions may not suit you, but will certainly suit them. If you see actions like the daily mission NPC you know they are aiming at getting people to cycle peds.
You getting MU for that gun is a null operation for them. every ped a gun costs is a ped the buyer can't spend on hunting, decreasing his/her gaming experience. While they know you will use that UL gear or get so fed up you sell it to the next one that will behave that way.

So for for the sub 3dmg/pec UL gear, see that the price will only drop, since that is in the best interest of MA. We know from history that the UL gun you buy for 40k ped today will drop down to 20k next year; and eventually it will drop to 500ped MU.
The reason hereto is that it makes no sense for MA to keep high MU for SIB gear; that isn't uber gear.

So UL will keep dropping, it is just too lucrative from MA's point of view. Please keep tiering your stuff and support MA, since LA's and Medusa's don't go that high no more.
Please enhance the shit out of those, since there alot of crafters crafting those enhancers. And their are alot of miners mining the ores there for.

Ofcourse you can complain to the forum; but don't forget to cycle a couple of k each day, else buying that UL item was not economic at all. Please don't burst that illusion you made yourself to buy it because it will only make you sad. Truth hurts.

You see, since the daily missions alone, we don't even need UL gear, we just go check daily for the bonus missions or if it is a mob we like to hunt. If nothing, we play something else; enough great games out there. We are not the ones needing to cycle K upon K each day to defend the reasoning behind an UL gun in the first place.

You see, by not buying the bait, we can say to MA that if they don't offer we don't buy. You UL guys bought a 5 year pass, you don't have any bargain power.

If you look at this this way, who is the one that loses in the end? is it the one paying a little MU on a gun (or killing 60 gibnib; and go leave for months if MA doesn't deliver? Or is the ones that don't pay MU, well besides the one time big MU much greater than the MU players like I will pay in the end.

Ohh, and gibnib have good loot :)

Enjoy your toys :cool:
I'll see you ingame when I feel like playing, prolly after another 60 gibnib died :girl:
 
I can see that everyone want cheap gear but what is the point of owning it when there is no advantage anymore? It's a lot better to use L then in my opinion since you can change guns for what you want to hunt and when everyone is using UL the L guns will be TT food anyways and don't require you to tie up any peds. Try to open your eyes a little bit and think bigger than your own inventory and greed for getting some kind of carrot-item you have been drooling over for years. Try to see the consequences in a bigger picture, the connection between the professions and all the advantages of having markup is in a fixed TT loss system like entropia has. When everything is TT food you don't even have to bother trying to outsmart others anymore with hunting for markup. No need for auctions, TT terminal will fix it.

This presumes that you in addition to losing sometimes win - or at least win back part of the cost via MU. If you don't, your argument goes away. It becomes just entertainment, and the cheaper you get it, the better.
 
This presumes that you in addition to losing sometimes win - or at least win back part of the cost via MU. If you don't, your argument goes away. It becomes just entertainment, and the cheaper you get it, the better.

Now if you play it smart you can hunt with low markup input and good markup output. If you are one of the dreamers that want everything for TT its going to be no markup input and no markup output.

Example nr.1 - Today

Hunt cost total 1000 ped
Loot TT return 900 ped
Markup return 150 ped
Total: 50 ped profit due to markup on looted items.

Example nr.2 - Remontoire fantastic Marx MMO game

Hunt cost total 1000 ped
Loot TT return 900 ped
Markup return -5 ped (lost auction fee's for items listed at 101% and not selling)
Total: -105 ped loss due to beeing shortsighted.

I know when I will stop playing.
 
This presumes that you in addition to losing sometimes win - or at least win back part of the cost via MU. If you don't, your argument goes away. It becomes just entertainment, and the cheaper you get it, the better.

Entropia Universe IS entertainment.
What the heck on earth are you guys thinking?
please answer this? do you really plan to make money from a game (or casino or what you want to call it).
Do you really really ever think that for a prologued period of time and not realised that this might not be possible?

Did you ever realise that the only time hunting was any profitable was before VU9; and it required lvl100 and a IMKII and that you made peanuts in the end. (30$ for 14h grinding according to pham).

Do I burst a bubble when I see that you will NOT EVER make profit over a period of time?
Get those feet back on earth. EU is entertainment, pure and at times quite costly entertainment. A trip to the strip in vegas kind of entertainment at times...
 
Now if you play it smart you can hunt with low markup input and good markup output. If you are one of the dreamers that want everything for TT its going to be no markup input and no markup output.

Example nr.1 - Today

Hunt cost total 1000 ped
Loot TT return 900 ped
Markup return 150 ped
Total: 50 ped profit due to markup on looted items.

Example nr.2 - Remontoire fantastic Marx MMO game

Hunt cost total 1000 ped
Loot TT return 900 ped
Markup return -5 ped (lost auction fee's for items listed at 101% and not selling)
Total: -105 ped loss due to beeing shortsighted.

I know when I will stop playing.

If you don't deposit or need to I don't think MA cares if you are playing. If you make money that you could redraw from the universe MA might rather have you not playing. So if you make a profit be glad to; if you break even be glad. Playin a game for free is fun isn't it?
 
Entropia Universe IS entertainment.
What the heck on earth are you guys thinking?
please answer this? do you really plan to make money from a game (or casino or what you want to call it).
Do you really really ever think that for a prologued period of time and not realised that this might not be possible?

Did you ever realise that the only time hunting was any profitable was before VU9; and it required lvl100 and a IMKII and that you made peanuts in the end. (30$ for 14h grinding according to pham).

Do I burst a bubble when I see that you will NOT EVER make profit over a period of time?
Get those feet back on earth. EU is entertainment, pure and at times quite costly entertainment. A trip to the strip in vegas kind of entertainment at times...

People like you Acro is the reason why some of us profit :D We need more of you so if this is what it takes to gather people to give me money I'm up for changes!

Of course it is possible to profit still but you have to use your brain more than just buy a uber gun and go shoot random mobs. These days with so low L gun markup profit can be made just as good with a L gun.
 
Bleh why do I bother. Keep going guys, I seriously have better things to do.

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Entropia Universe IS entertainment.
What the heck on earth are you guys thinking?
please answer this? do you really plan to make money from a game (or casino or what you want to call it).
Do you really really ever think that for a prologued period of time and not realised that this might not be possible?

Did you ever realise that the only time hunting was any profitable was before VU9; and it required lvl100 and a IMKII and that you made peanuts in the end. (30$ for 14h grinding according to pham).

Do I burst a bubble when I see that you will NOT EVER make profit over a period of time?
Get those feet back on earth. EU is entertainment, pure and at times quite costly entertainment. A trip to the strip in vegas kind of entertainment at times...

Yes, it is entertainment BUT it is RCE and this is really important part that makes real difference and attract many players. I would risk saying that majority of players started game because RCE element and possibility to make profit.
Take RCE element out of picture and there are hundreds of other games that are also entertaining! Many much more fun/less repetitive.

I assure you that people do profit here. Some profit little, others enough to treat game as a job.
Take that possibility away by leveling playing field and making everybody losing, and I can guarantee you that EU will die slowly.
 
People like you Acro is the reason why some of us profit :D We need more of you so if this is what it takes to gather people to give me money I'm up for changes!

Of course it is possible to profit still but you have to use your brain more than just buy a uber gun and go shoot random mobs. These days with so low L gun markup profit can be made just as good with a L gun.

sorry to shatter your dream but I didn't buy any L gun or other L gear since the mission broker came out. Okay, I use the stuff I loot and yes there is a level VII chip on auction for 160% (it's avg MU) from me today; and an isis for 109% too today. Thing is if I don't have a gun to hunt I log in once a day to see if I can get a bonus mission, if not I don't. I lose ped in the end; MA needs to live and their employees need to eat and feed their families. The best way to do this is provide acro with bonus missions since without it I don't see a reason to hunt anymore; thus no need to support MA by depositing and cycling peds.

So the only reason to profit from me is getting 100%tt+ and so drag loot down for everyone else.

Anyway, I once thought about complaining that stackables have almost no MU anymore; but I didn't go here an whine because the people using these are losing enough already. So if anyone buying oils at 101 or100.5%; I'll take the offer.

Now, I did a regular 50 corn mission and got a 46ped global :yay: a daily token and profit and a 109% gun to sell :yay:
I'm happy about loot in EU; but I just want people to know what MA is doing and why they do it. I also want the UL gun owners to have a reality check. They save on MU, that is true. But they did it by paying so much MU that they feel psychologically obligated to play in order to retro actively approve their purchase.

And when they do realise at some point that their HL8 or whatever was actually a chaining to grind in a game instead of being smart; they stop playing and go make some pizza IRL. This is what an Ex-socie of me that went to DOA eventually end up doing; haven't seen him in over a year, maybe close to 2 now. paying too much MU for a gun that isn't holding 20% of it's value this day.

So buying an UL weapon is nothing to be smug about; it is making a commitment to either grinding so hard it makes up for the MU spend on L; knowing that you will either lose in the long run or are so knowledgeable you do profit, which you would with an L gun anyway (and having the versatility to change guns for the occasion or increased proffesion level.

Thing is, I will never buy an UL SIB weapon; or not anyone I've seen on the market today. I rather spend the peds on a 106/204; since that actually makes more sense to me. even a dante makes more sense.
and it does; that is why I specified a sub 3dmg/pec gun. If you are buying a MM or IMKII, now that is a different story all together.

And to end; how long before EMW will start whinning about loot; holding the biggest uneco gun (as in 2.809dmg/pec and no range for a bl1800 dps with tier6...)
You know what, if he does I already have an answer for him.

You can play smart, you can play eco and you can play MU. the first one does not cost a thing, the second costs progressively and the third options has many fallacies and pitfalls to avoid.
Or you can play for fun; and to most I recommend just doing this.

Now I'll stop posting here; either you got the message I'm saying or you aren't open to it.


EU is dynamic and we have to adapt in order to be successful

regards Acronoid
 
sorry to shatter your dream but I didn't buy any L gun or other L gear since the mission broker came out. Okay, I use the stuff I loot and yes there is a level VII chip on auction for 160% (it's avg MU) from me today; and an isis for 109% too today. Thing is if I don't have a gun to hunt I log in once a day to see if I can get a bonus mission, if not I don't. I lose ped in the end; MA needs to live and their employees need to eat and feed their families. The best way to do this is provide acro with bonus missions since without it I don't see a reason to hunt anymore; thus no need to support MA by depositing and cycling peds.

So the only reason to profit from me is getting 100%tt+ and so drag loot down for everyone else.



Arco, you do realize that the final effect is the same if you use the weapons you loot yourself? You just skip the selling+buying process. You might even become the "looser" in this situation because you might not be using the best weapon suited and thus even loose peds.


And as Minim said - you are the kind of people he is making profit of. :)

Some people see it as a way of entertainment, others see the opportunity and takes advantage of it. :)
 
Arco, you do realize that the final effect is the same if you use the weapons you loot yourself? You just skip the selling+buying process. You might even become the "looser" in this situation because you might not be using the best weapon suited and thus even loose peds.


And as Minim said - you are the kind of people he is making profit of. :)

Some people see it as a way of entertainment, others see the opportunity and takes advantage of it. :)

i have Hard to belive ye do a real profit ok basis in this game, its just a no no.
 
i have Hard to belive ye do a real profit ok basis in this game, its just a no no.

My bank account balance does not agree with your statement. :)
 
Bleh why do I bother. Keep going guys, I seriously have better things to do.

There is this wall and then a man beside it pushing and hoping for it to move. ;)

I expect better from you :)
 
May i ask how big is your profit on 7 Days? i asum you dont deposit

Can't answer that, but my withdraws-deposits balance is around 10-11k USD. Atm I'm inactive.
 
from what i seen they can make 10k ped a week trading items around they offer low and they sell high

that when they offer low to poeple that are willing to sell

someone offered me 6k ped for my adj revenger mini sweeper and it sold on the auction for tt+_9.5k i paid 17k 3 year ago for it

so if they are trader yes they can make huge profit in no time
 
may i ask from what? trading or cld or one of the 3 main profesions? and over what time period have give you 10-11k?

I little bit from everything, its over a longer period of time ofc, no one implied its a substitute to a real job. It was a counter argument to people like Arco for example and in support of what minim was implying that its surely possible to profit if you can find your ways.
 
And thats from beeing eco while hunting?

Lol, contradictions abound!
Ermik 'ol mate' you struck gold;)
(sic)
Number seem to count ...why is it when I taken my socks off I count 24 digits ;)
 
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And thats from beeing eco while hunting?

From all activities, some part of it is from being eco and smart in hunting, yes. Not 100% sure how it works nowadays - hence you have your thread about dmg vs ped spent.
 
I little bit from everything, its over a longer period of time ofc, no one implied its a substitute to a real job. It was a counter argument to people like Arco for example and in support of what minim was implying that its surely possible to profit if you can find your ways.

Reselling, especially for withdrawing, is a totally different game.

If you Think about it, the profits withdrawn from reselling (or possibly, reselling income minus a smaller hunting cost) is paid by other players one way or Another meaning their (the buyers') cost to play goes up. Reselling weapons used in hunting clearly increases the cost for a hunter, and if a hunter is on a specific budget, the increased cost in buying a weapon can lead to lesser game play, and lesser income to, for instance, fap crafters (if the hunter hunts less to recover from the purchase).
 
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