Suggestion: Use Old Concept to Streamline Interplanetary Travel Without Screwing Over Warp Ship Operators

[wizz]

Many players enjoy space, many others accept that a universe has 'space' between planets, and that time to travel is a natural consequence of that, a few don't like it, and that's ok.

uhmm. did you see the poll results?

it's actually the other way around from what you say.
Appearantly MOST don't like space and want a 7 ped planet TP. And only a few want to keep it as is.

Personally I love space simulators! Elite dangerous is the bom (with oculus that is).
But sorry. to call entropia space "space". No.
The controls suck, I mean, flying a spaceship with a mouse?!?!
Crappy 3 dimensional system. And the visuals are utterly boring.

No, either make space worhtwhile or remove it altogether.

 

[minim]

uhmm. did you see the poll results?

it's actually the other way around from what you say.
Appearantly MOST don't like space and want a 7 ped planet TP. And only a few want to keep it as is.

Personally I love space simulators! Elite dangerous is the bom (with oculus that is).
But sorry. to call entropia space "space". No.
The controls suck, I mean, flying a spaceship with a mouse?!?!
Crappy 3 dimensional system. And the visuals are utterly boring.

No, either make space worhtwhile or remove it altogether.

And most of the voices against it have a huge bias by owning a privateer/mothership. For the rest it’s basically a hassle and a issue for the PP economies. The poll results are clear even if they also are a bit biased by ms/privateer owners mobilising people to vote but even then it shines through what the community want ^^

 

[BaronMartin]

And most of the voices against it have a huge bias by owning a privateer/mothership. For the rest it’s basically a hassle and a issue for the PP economies. The poll results are clear even if they also are a bit biased by ms/privateer owners mobilising people to vote but even then it shines through what the community want ^^

If the community made a poll that said; "Should we have 100% returns, and an extra HoF every week", everyone would vote yes. It is, unfortunately meaningless.

 

[wizz]

And most of the voices against it have a huge bias by owning a privateer/mothership. For the rest it’s basically a hassle and a issue for the PP economies. The poll results are clear even if they also are a bit biased by ms/privateer owners mobilising people to vote but even then it shines through what the community want ^^

Well, to be honest, I can totally understand them.
They invested in a ship/hanger and would see it all go to waste (not that this a new thing in entropia, but still..)
So for sure they're biased. They just want a way to earn their money back.

Somehow space is a good thing. In a way it keeps planets special due to their isolation. If transport between them would be easy, unlike now, entropia space and planets would become 1 big calypso. Planets would become like continents of calpypso. No more intern markets.

So to open space just like that might not be the best thing to do.

So, I would like to keep space, but space would just need a majot overhaul to actually make it worthwhile.
Not the crap black void it is now.

 

[wizz]

If the community made a poll that said; "Should we have 100% returns, and an extra HoF every week", everyone would vote yes. It is, unfortunately meaningless.

how can you compare that? Useless comment.
Your example would destroy entropia.
Would a 7 ped planetary fee also destroy entropia?

 

[Katie Chalmers]

Have an instant teleporter between planets, make it cost 50 ped.
This leaves plenty of meat for ship operators to undercut the system and provide their warp services to the majority of the players that would find 50 ped unreasonable.
People that want to bypass space for their own personal reasons are now free to do so.
We all are winners.

 

[wizz]

Have an instant teleporter between planets, make it cost 50 ped.
This leaves plenty of meat for ship operators to undercut the system and provide their warp services to the majority of the players that would find 50 ped unreasonable.
People that want to bypass space for their own personal reasons are now free to do so.
We all are winners.

Well, I don't think that's the way.
I think it should be more "weight" related.
If you travel empty handed, it's not such a big deal.
But if you travel with loads of mats, there should be limitations as that would otherwise upset the economy,

More like, you can only travel through TP without materials.
But to transport goods you will need a big ship.
That way you can have the "freedom" to move around quickly but you can't "abuse" the system to haul goods all over the universe.

 

[BaronMartin]

how can you compare that? Useless comment.
Your example would destroy entropia.
Would a 7 ped planetary fee also destroy entropia?

It is not supposed to be a direct comparison, it's a demonstration of the principle. Just some people want something to happen, doesn't mean it will or is best for the game, that's all.

 

[Granny Rowan]

Space could should and most definitely needs to be upgraded and have more meaning and roper gameplay

And most of the voices against it have a huge bias by owning a privateer/mothership. For the rest it’s basically a hassle and a issue for the PP economies. The poll results are clear even if they also are a bit biased by ms/privateer owners mobilising people to vote but even then it shines through what the community want ^^

Space could should and most definitely needs to be upgraded and have more meaning and proper gameplay, to make it fully relevant to our 'Universe', to in effect remove it as an inconvenience is to change the name of the game to 'Planet Calypso and its colonial states'.
Polls are only ever used by those with an axe to grind and if worded so that the right people vote, so frankly I rarely vote or pay attention to the results.. The very introduction to most polls is already biasing the reader.

Well, I don't think that's the way.
I think it should be more "weight" related.
If you travel empty handed, it's not such a big deal.
But if you travel with loads of mats, there should be limitations as that would otherwise upset the economy,

More like, you can only travel through TP without materials.
But to transport goods you will need a big ship.
That way you can have the "freedom" to move around quickly but you can't "abuse" the system to haul goods all over the universe.

Totally agree, if TPs were to happen then this would offer some protection not just to ship owners but also to protect planetary economies.
I also agree with the Katie that a TP for 'the need for speed' should be more expensive than the proposed 7 ped.

But lets look at this in a different way..
If it is ok to steal the investment of the ship owners, for the convenience of others (investments that are as I said above far more than just the fixed price they were originally offered for on AH). Then I want my own way too.
I hate trolling around shops looking for things I need, I hate they all have different prices instead of all same price. So can we have a poll to remove shops, have a tab on our screens where we enter the name of the item we need and buy at fixed price. How many shop and stall owners would want that ? What would that do to the economy ? We can't you say, it's a real cash economy, shop owners have the right to charge what they see fit, some people enjoy shopping, it would destroy EU as we know it.
This is exactly what you are proposing for space and would be just as damaging to economies, and just as unfair to current owners.

 

[forgo]

lol are we still afraid of space?

Seriously, play the game instead of coming up with ideas that are based on false assumptions.

Space is easy, and provides a necessary buffer via time and effort to intermingle the different economies for profit.

There should be an effort to get markups, otherwise they will crash.
When markups crash, people complain about losses that aren't recoverable.
When people have losses that aren't recoverable, they stop playing, making the whole problem worse, and devaluing everything you have on your account as well.

Ultimately I think this is more of an idea to help warp ship owners make more money since the revenues have clearly gone down a little as people realize just how ridiculously safe space is now, if you are smart.

I own a warp ship but never really take passengers, I oppose 100% any efforts to streamline the economies together with faster travel as the effects would be devastating to many people, and ultimately the game.

The solution to this problem already exists.....invest in warp ship if you want the convenience and are able to use to advantage for profit.

I also oppose devaluing the investments of players just to appease the minority.

 

[TheAlchemist]

So because you don't have time for space, (read can't be bothered to try), those of us that have invested not just ped but considerable amounts of time running warp services, fighting pirates, operating skill ships, space hunting etc should all become an irrelevancy bought out by MA... Many players enjoy space, many others accept that a universe has 'space' between planets, and that time to travel is a natural consequence of that, a few don't like it, and that's ok. But that anyone would want the whole concept of a Universe to change to a bunch of LAs called planets linked by TPs is simply silly and selfish.

As for MA buying out ship owners...boy would that open a can of worms.
When they bought out the hangar owners all hangars were a standard price and therefore a standard compensation, but I very much doubt that any 2 warpships in EU now have same SI, and therefore don't have same value, not to mention the engineering devices, warp drives, BPs etc that go with. The argument over valuations would run into the next century, not to mention if a fair price were actually paid, MA would have a large hole in their budget, and would likely charge 70 ped a go to try and fill it. Please remember the old hangar TPs were not 7 ped they were more like 40 or 45 I believe

Also ofc all those 'old hangars' are player owned - or did you want MA to repossess those and demand the compensation they paid out to owners returned ?

Basically yes.
I don't say remove space. Just make planet to planet tp for 7PED.
ppl can still have fun in space. it can even stay PvP for all I care.

of course, space lootable pvp is one lawsuit away from being removed.
I would sue MA if I lost something substantial in space, and by god, seeing the cryptocurrency laws and how the goverment views virtual currencies, they would lose their ass off in any American court.
So with space being non lootable in a couple of years, what will be the point?

 

[TheAlchemist]

It is not supposed to be a direct comparison, it's a demonstration of the principle. Just some people want something to happen, doesn't mean it will or is best for the game, that's all.

The principle doesn't work.
it akin to saying that people would all chose to live as kings but that would destroy the planet. Most people are against slave labor in China but we won't stop the child labor just because most people are against it because those people would also like to destroy the planet because they want to live like kings.

One can use this argument to defend everything, even the most vile act known to man.

It is called false equivalency.

 

[Sulje]

Basically yes.
I don't say remove space. Just make planet to planet tp for 7PED.
ppl can still have fun in space. it can even stay PvP for all I care.

of course, space lootable pvp is one lawsuit away from being removed.
I would sue MA if I lost something substantial in space, and by god, seeing the cryptocurrency laws and how the goverment views virtual currencies, they would lose their ass off in any American court.
So with space being non lootable in a couple of years, what will be the point?

you have big red message when you approach lootable pvp, I'd love to see you lose money in court like some already did for ridiculous complaints similar to yours xD

 

[Katie Chalmers]

Basically yes.
I don't say remove space. Just make planet to planet tp for 7PED.
ppl can still have fun in space. it can even stay PvP for all I care.

of course, space lootable pvp is one lawsuit away from being removed.
I would sue MA if I lost something substantial in space, and by god, seeing the cryptocurrency laws and how the goverment views virtual currencies, they would lose their ass off in any American court.
So with space being non lootable in a couple of years, what will be the point?

If MA were forcing you to carry loot across space you would have a case, but they aren’t.
Inject your loot into the local economy or TT it before you fly out if you want to be absolutely 100% safe from being looted. There are ways of being 100% safe with warping to by logging off while on board. Technically an exploit but there would be a slim chance that MA would ever enforce it, that would open a big can of worms.

The only reason you want to move loot across space is to persue higher markup elsewhere, it’s driven by profits, not by necessity. No judge would back you up, but of course the lawyers you hire would love to.

Personally I think Mindark could go a little further to protect its players in space. Give a double confirmation screen that only shows up if you have any lootable item in your inventory. For the times we do a mans look and miss something.

 

[Geo]

I should buy a boat.

 

[Granny Rowan]

of course, space lootable pvp is one lawsuit away from being removed.
I would sue MA if I lost something substantial in space, and by god, seeing the cryptocurrency laws and how the goverment views virtual currencies, they would lose their ass off in any American court.
So with space being non lootable in a couple of years, what will be the point?

So would you sue the Casino every time you lost money ? MA warns you its PVP, you choose to gamble and try to cross it with loot.. your choice, your stake, entirely your fault if you lose .

 

[Captain Jack]

...
Inject your loot into the local economy or TT it before you fly out if you want to be absolutely 100% safe from being looted. ...

There is no local economy.

 

[Deleted member 58836]

There is no local economy.

That is not because of Space. That is because MindArk, the owner of the Entropia Platform also owns, operates and develops for Calypso causing a massive conflict of interest which leads many things, one of which being a Planet Partner having inside information.

If you want to fix this issue you need to first remove MindArk from Calypso so that the other Planet Partners have a chance at success without also playing their cards against the house. This then frees up MindArk to develop Space and the underlying systems of the Entropia Platform, which would benefit all Planets. Let's not forget they're in waaaaaaaaayyyyy over their heads when it comes to software development.

Sadly, the only thing that would ever force MindArk's hand from a player perspective is to unite as a playerbase and stage a mass boycott of Calypso until they fix the problem... but we all know they'd tempt us back with some sort of crazy mission or event and the greedy ones in the group would break and we'd of gained nothing except humiliation at the hands of our overlords; MindArk and the mighty PED Card.

They don't give a fuck about anything as long as the money keeps rolling in and it does so through Calypso.

 

[TheAlchemist]

So would you sue the Casino every time you lost money ? MA warns you its PVP, you choose to gamble and try to cross it with loot.. your choice, your stake, entirely your fault if you lose .

1. Entropia is not a casino. if it were pvp would be forbidden because you can only play against the house. Also if it were ever deemed a casino we would get more transparency.
2. it is still allowing robbery of cryptocurrency (ped is classified as one, at least by many big companies like paypal so it would stand in court)

long story short, if a lawyer sues MA, they are either gonna settle out of court or go bankrupt due to court costs before there is even a verdict reached.
American law is so different from European law. It is almost a totally different beast.

that being said, I prolly will never carry anything lootable is space. But who knows one day someone gets looted and starts a lawsuit...

 

[Geo]

If you say so.
I recently bought a boat.

 

[raulpon]

a) 25 ped teleport anywhere, MS owner will get decent reimbursement, so that buying that MS is not a total flop for them ped wise
b) 5 ped for so-so travel, where you can be shot down, solo or duo
c) 15-20 ped vip where you are safe

I think current system is fine, except the cheating pirates whos quad flies 2x faster than your quad. Not that I carry anything when I solo fly, but it's just annoying waste of time. Click NI space station, automove, expecting that in an hour you come back with NI enter message, but instead you are stuck at space station, because some cheating dick flies twice faster with same vehicle and shoots you down.

I think TP option anywhere in the universe should be cool, but expensive, 25-50 ped etc. From these profits MS owners are compensated, though MA never really cared for people who got the short stick after some update, though something else was promised before.

I want to take 100k lyst from Caly to Ark, I will teleport for 50 or take solid MS for 20, why not have the option?

 

[Geo]

The system is working as intended.
This will never change.
But carry on.

 

[minim]

The system is working as intended.
This will never change.
But carry on.

It doesn't. PP economies are shit and the auctions are dead. Funny thing that comments like these only come from those heavliy biased with ownership in space stuff ^^

 

[Katie Chalmers]

It doesn't. PP economies are shit and the auctions are dead. Funny thing that comments like these only come from those heavliy biased with ownership in space stuff ^^

Adding a TP won't help the planet partner economies though. People will still haul all their stuff back to caly, cos that is where the playerbase is. Cheap and convenient teleports will only create less of a barrier for people to do that, instead of trying to sell their stuff locally.
All it will do is ruin the warp industry without any upside.

 

[minim]

Adding a TP won't help the planet partner economies though. People will still haul all their stuff back to caly, cos that is where the playerbase is. Cheap and convenient teleports will only create less of a barrier for people to do that, instead of trying to sell their stuff locally.
All it will do is ruin the warp industry without any upside.

Yeah to list at auction they will but they will spread across the univese and hunt/mine/craft all over the place making t he other planets alive. The upside is that we can enjoy the whole universe instead of just grinding away on caly cause it's to much of a PITA traveling to sell stuff. The bigger the ped card the less of an issue this is but for low level players with low turnover they now have to TT a lot when playing on other planets since it's not enough MU to save up stacks to bring to caly and they don't have a ped card allowing them to do so. For those that can grind away due to big balance it will just be less of a hassle.

 

[Geo]

It doesn't. PP economies are shit and the auctions are dead. Funny thing that comments like these only come from those heavliy biased with ownership in space stuff ^^

I would not be considered an active warp provider. I could care less. But I do understand how the system was designed and that it is working how MA intended. You guys can keep kicking and screaming, but is not going to change.

 

[Joat]

I still think that if we get a TP system between all places in space, use the filter system that check
what is lootable and not, to hinder a TP jump if these kind of resources and materials are on the
avatar. That kind of stuff should be moved by a ship.

 

[TheAlchemist]

Adding a TP won't help the planet partner economies though. People will still haul all their stuff back to caly, cos that is where the playerbase is. Cheap and convenient teleports will only create less of a barrier for people to do that, instead of trying to sell their stuff locally.
All it will do is ruin the warp industry without any upside.

On the other hand, me and many other players who concider Calypso their home base might actually visit those planets and do some of the missions there.
The biggest reason I'll buy gremlin over doing the viceroy mission is because how much of a time waste going to ark is and I don't want to be stuck there.
I consider calypso the main planet and other things just like "club neverdie" kinda objects.

come to think of it, considering how expensive this game is already, why wouldn't it be a free teleport.
Or at least give anyone a single free TP pass to all planet so we can at least explore each planet once.
(they could give it as part of the mentership reward for new players, so they know the game a bit before wasting those passes).

ahh, anyway. for me Calypso is big enough at the moment and although I always enjoy extra content. I think I'll never make it to some places if they make it hard. And I think that's true for a lot of players.

 

[Alainax]

come to think of it, considering how expensive this game is already, why wouldn't it be a free teleport.

Wouldn't it just be easier to scrap the whole universe thing all together, could just make them caly land areas. Much easier. While we are at it, having to physically run over to a mob is such a faff, cant it just be like crafting and we just kill them at a terminal? Nah, that's annoying too, can we just do it like slots?

Apologies for my sarcasm, but this is a universe, and the planets - and there for space - are an integral part of it. A vast wonderful universe ripe for exploration and adventure, we shouldn't be trying to condense. As has been repeated upmteen times in this thread, there were answers and solutions once upon a time ( Cargo missions) but we all still wait patiently for these.

 

[Granny Rowan]

If you play a game with the name Universe in it then space is a given. Like it or loathe it, wishing it were upgraded to being more interesting and challenging or not. If you want a game without space 'in the way', then go find one that has the word 'World' or 'Country' in the name.

It is not MindArks fault that space makes you pay in time or ped to visit parts of the game, and especially it is not the fault of ship owners, so please stop bitching about space and especially bitching at ship owners. Just like you, we were presented with a UNIVERSE. The difference is we embraced it, learned to live with it, and want to see it developed.