well someone test it about this 2d, 3d whatever resource thing .... use like z1 finder and then in same spot drop a bomb with vrx2k for example.....
It's already been done and no you don't find "extra" claims at other depths.
Very true. I did that plus many other tests and published my info on them. The thread is cunningly titled Couple of Mining Tests
On another note, damn those tests were 6 years ago.
You guys have it backwards. The claims a re not in the ground. The claims are generated on the spot by miner.
So first decision that is made in the loot engine is whether to give you a claim or not.
Second decision is the claim size and ore type. Ore type is also based on the finder you are holding.
And third, the game generates a random set of coordinates and depth for your claim.
Yes, but did that drop cost 10 peC, or 25 peD? And what depth range does that miner profession+finder reach? Those details make a HUGE difference on what that find may actually be, therefore....The miner only say to server that he droped a probe.
What I am really curious about is if that timer is avatar-based or not. But for the life of mine can't think at any decisive test.
im very certain that is is area bound timer... they wont have a timer for every position on the map for every avatar... also there have been tests that u cant find something if someone is running directly in front of you
im very certain that is is area bound timer... they wont have a timer for every position on the map for every avatar... also there have been tests that u cant find something if someone is running directly in front of you
I just wrote a mining system for a game. If you click the finder, it search around the radius like a sphaere.
But, it don,'t really search! In the moment you click search, the algorythm find out you get a claim or not. Then the next step is, if you get a claim, the algorythm generate what you have find, and how much amount of it.
Once this is calculated, it just randomly get a place in the range of the finder. Then it place a claim there. The claim holds all data with the ores you find, generated by algorythm, in the moment of clicking finder search.
Now, if you find a claim, it generate a invisible sphaere at this, place. This sphaere block to find more claims, aslong the sphaere not disapear. The sphaere is connected with a timer and disapear after a randomly time. So you just can not find anything at this place.
I don't know, how it work in EU, but i can think, that there is not a big difference to the system i described above.
Spawns do not appear and disappear with time.
I've tested that hypothesis with a friend. I mined directly behind him 3-5m at most. i would bomb 3-4 seconds after him. Yet sometimes he wouldn't get a claim and yet I would, and visa versa. Returns were steady for both of us after 100 drops. ~85-90% TT.
It's avatar-based. Always has been and always will be. That's why we see lots of 1-1.5k kickback hofs after a certain period of loosing.
I like to believe that it's a combo of time, area, resource, and avatar deficit/surplus.. Given an addition small chance to roll for a "community pool" aka bigger hofs that don't seem to affect TT returns in the long run.
I mean I could be way off base here but that's what the last 4 years has shown me.
kickback hofs are just a matter of probability...
and ive done the same test and ive gotten 50 nrf in a row after mining approx 5 mins after another person planetside..
Always has been
I tested this with a friend as well. Same result, nrf.
I think Rocket, your test might have been flawed somehow.
Then again, I haven't tested this in a long time.
Rgds
Ace
Not true. Deposits having finite locations was painfully obvious in the old days. Your claim could expire and someone else could find it. Hell, you could be too late running to your claim and someone else could find it (because claims didn't spawn until you were physically right next to them).
I mined directly behind him 3-5m at most. i would bomb 3-4 seconds after him. Yet sometimes he wouldn't get a claim and yet I would, and visa versa.
and ive done the same test and ive gotten 50 nrf in a row after mining approx 5 mins after another person planetside..
I tested this with a friend as well. Same result, nrf.
i have agree with with Rocket...and one time a friend got 800 ped hof 5 sec after i had a claim in same area.
Test #3 - NRF Walker
Method: set finder on auto-tool while auto-walking . (NOT running. Serious overlap)
(39302, 53808, 245) NRF
probe #31 (39303, 53793, 243) You have claimed a resource!(39352, 53778)
(39303, 53781, 241) NRF
(39305, 53744, 236) NRF
probe #34 (39305, 53731, 233) You have claimed a resource! (39349, 53701)
probe #35 (missed position button, guesstimate = 39305, 53711) You have claimed a resource! (39308, 53661)
(39308, 53656, 220) NRF
Note the locations of the claims are just outside the previous probes boundaries.
My personal conclusion: The system really does try to find enough loot for you, if you give it enough of a window, and walking seems to give enough window.
I beg to differ, is just a different claiming system. Both then and now the deposit would be triggered when you bomb.