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I dont know maybe i started to be to sensitive or something like that.
When i start to play this game i loved this game and i still do and i know that MA is a company and i know that MA wants to earn money but one thing i dont understand and its like a normal company they should treat good depositors better then less good depositors i cant say that i am the best depositor but i deposit about 12-15k peds/month in average ( and its 90 times more then a average player deposits ) but when i compare with the avatars i know in the game now there is only one who is a better depositors but all has got higher loot then me ( the best loot i got was 1689 ped )

I dont know what wrong i doing i have been here in 1 year and 10 months i am hard playing person 3 days ago i got 200k in skill and 90% off the hunt is Nec.Hoggy.Formi big Atrox big Atrax and big Ambu.chompers.Hispidus and phasm and kreltin.

My Attributes is Agility= 70.9 Health=171.3 Intelligene=53.4 Psyche=47.4 Strenght=66.6 so all can see that i am very active player.

So far i only got 2 good items in loot 1. ESI at TT 464 2. Jaguar footguards M.

Thats little about me.

Now about MA...A super game " sorry no game" I just love it but nowdays i doupt why??
1.Lots off bugs they never fix.
2.More and more lag
3.The two words i hate to hear "Dynamic" and "balance" to me is this words Dynamic=we want your money and Balance=nerf.
4.Nerf. in loot ( the items )
5.Nerf. in skills ( you have to skill more to get same skills as before )
6.Nerf. in Attributes ( BIG nerf you have to work like a madman )
7.Nerf. in mining ( you have to use stronger equpment to get same quantity ores )
8.Nerf in crafting ( where is the BP in loot Hallo )

The only Improvement they have done is the graphic ( and its nice to look at )

I know it cost you money to be here and my ambition is not to be rich here i just love to play here but nowdays i getting the feeleng its like throw your money through the window i dont get gamer joy( because i am not a investor i am a gamer )

I can likely say that is the super good friends and the ppl. i know in the game "sorry no game" who keeps me here

How can i say even in Rome for 2000 years the ruler know if you make the people happy you can do what you want without the people complain and still gain off it.

Just now i am in that position that i have the skill and i need good gear and i have about 260k ped who i can invest but in same time i feel its no point to do that because every new VU and my first thouht is what has MA done for new nerf. this time.
 
I think you have many skills if you only play for <2 years :D respect.

If you play the "game" as a gamer you will have to adjust to every nerf/change MA makes and you have to make the judgement if you want to keep on playing and depositing based on the question "do I still get enough fun for my bucks to keep on playing"

If you "play" the game as an investor you have to check your balance to decide if you keep on investing in EU.

its 2 different things ;)

I know as a a "player" I have turned my back on PE/EU several times already only to come back after some time and adjust to the changes MA made.
Sometimes its good to do something else for a while besides playing EU 6 hours a day..
 
stop and adapt... why pump in so much money if your not using it? try other things, stuff you never done before. nerf this and that, thats just a part of EU life and we will surley see much more nerfs in the future. the game aint what it use to be and the only thing we can do is adapt and keep on playing or quit.
 
Please don't take this the wrong way...

... but sometimes I wonder if it is the "high-end depositors" who are in fact causing their own grief (and incidentally lengthening the long-term game for those of us who are travelling less slowly).

Allow me to try explain.

I believe MA are "adjusting the skill values" and "attempting to maintain balance" for only one real reason - to protect their product from exploitation.

What MA have always lacked is "volume testing" at the top end of the system. As in: I suspect all their original algorithms were based on the premise that it would probably take any sane person depositing say $15 US a month (similar to most other MMORPGS) about 20 years (or maybe even 40-50, I'm just sucking numbers here) to reach anywhere near the end-points of their Stat systems (Level 100 Profession, for example).

So they set their guns and crafting stats up and made L100 the "best economy available" in the system, with the reward being that having reached that pinnacle of success, you'd be in a position to actually steadily make a return on your investment - which as you may recall above there, was likely estimated to be many, many years in the future.

I'm guessing they perhaps expected they would be solidly into "standard production" and be maintaining a long-term product with huge membership by that time, rather than still ironing out some beta-type teething systems. In short - my guess is that "people achieving max stats" was an idea that was sort of intended to come along in the natural course of time and having a couple of those folks about was not going to be a problem in the greater scheme of things.

What I suspect has happened is the following though:
Not only have multiple people maxed their levels in multiple professions, even before EU had officially left Beta, but more and more people are coming to EU and not doing the "small regular deposit" thing but are sinking 10's of thousands of US Dollars a year into advancing their skills, trying their best to buy and click their way to the top as fast as they possibly can.

There's a huge culture in EU that is all about "the end goal" whatever people believe that to be, and for most hunters that appears to be held up to be "running around in full Eon/Shadow/Chronicle/Vain/Supremacy with <insert MOD Weapon of Choice here> slaying <insert 15K HP creature here> left and right." Oh yes. While making money hand over fist.

For MA, I'm betting this was a bit of a conundrum. I mean - how the hell do you COMPLAIN to your client base that they're depositing and advancing too quickly? You certainly don't want to discourage them from giving you money!

But if more and more people suddenly reach L100 in their professional skills and are gaining the perks of "better economy" that such a position entails, and they are reaching it before there is a steady background of lesser-skilled folks to help even out the playing field statistically, then MA start to face the prospect of seeing more and more of their high-end depositors reach efficiency and then start to pull some of the cash flow back in their direction.

So what would you do if you saw that "top end bloat" happening to your system? Throttle it, naturally? Extend the curve. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly. Sure, the players are going to call them nerfs, but they are in fact exactly what MA says they are: necessary game balancing moves.

So I hear you asking : nice concept, but why are you waffling at me?

I just wanted to take the time to put out there to all those people who have passed 200K (!?) skills in under 2 years and are thinking that "life is unfair" or something for them, the following possibilities:

1) Maybe, just maybe, YOU are the one causing your own problems.
Maybe it's the fact that you are chasing your skill count so hard, that the journey and the experience is not important any more, only your raw stats. Maybe it's the fact that you are part of the wave of people who have skewed MA's projected growth curves, so they are forced to adapt it in order to maintain long-term game feasibility.

2) No-one is _asking_ or _forcing_ you to plough thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars into your entertainment system, but if you feel you have to do this just to "keep up with the Jones' " then you also need to realise that the only person responsible for your final balance and personal happiness is NOT MA, it's yourself.

So expecting MA to perform like a turn-of-the-century old-school Department Store and know you by name and offer you more globals when you walk in the door if you're a big spender in their Men's Department is not very ... *searches for a good word* I dunno... realistic maybe?

It seems far more realistic to me to expect MA to operate like any other "entertainment / gaming establishment" from either a casino to the owner of a penny arcade (or carnival - some sort of large establishment that provides entertainment to a vast number of people in an ongoing fashion)...

They have an equal responsibility to ALL their customers and just because you insist to ride the rollercoaster all day is not really a reason to treat you any better than the next guy who walks in fresh off the street.

**************

So there we go, just my thoughts for you this weekend... I hope you've not taken offence, because none is meant. I am simply trying to offer another way of looking at the situation and the problems you are facing.

I think you are _right_ to question the value of investing as much money as you do in this form of expression and entertainment, and if you truly consider this an investment then unfortunately you should take very very careful note of the fact that this is not a banking institute and there are no guarantees or even a statement of agreement saying that you've entered into an investment with them. As such, I'd put this "investment" into the "very shaky to completely unpredictable" category and I would have to be prepared to lose every cent I invested before I could justify depositing thousands and thousands of dollars.

Remember: as your experience has shown there are always going to be people over any period of time who do exceptionally well, exceptionally poorly, or just exceptionally average. If at the moment you are one of the ones doing poorly-to-average, it's important to realise I think that continuing to spend large sums in the same fashion is simply not guaranteed at any point to alter you over to one of the ones doing well.

It may well happen, or you may simply continue to find yourself "statistically unlucky". It happens. In fact, these forums are not short of people who will confirm this for you in rather tragic detail. I hope things start to go better for you, but my simple advice would be:

Don't put any money into this virtual world you are not entirely and 100% prepared to lose outright.

My more complicated advice might be: sometimes, life is not about the destination. Slow down, and explore a bit perhaps, and enjoy the ride.

Thank you for your time and patience with this post.
 
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valentin said:
i deposit about 12-15k peds/month in average ( and its 90 times more then a average player deposits ) but when i compare with the avatars i know in the game now there is only one who is a better depositors but all has got higher loot then me ( the best loot i got was 1689 ped )
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i have about 260k ped
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You have that much free peds on your account and keep depositing that much every month? Now, from the MA's point of view, why to "stimulate" you with big loots if you do deposit anyway? :).

Many of my ingame friends, my disciples and socmates, are "eco" players who deposit not much and count every ped, so I can say for sure that such factors as ped shortage (last 10peds on a card and BOOM! - a hof), short breaks from the game (you log back after 2 weeks break and BOOM! - a hof) and non-regular depositing (first deposit in, say, 2 months and BOOM! - guess what ;)) have a great influence on loot ;). So I suppose lots of immovable peds on account can influence the loot in a bad way. Of course, it's just a theory.
 
Cly said:
... but sometimes I wonder if it the "high-end depositors" who are in fact causing their own grief (and incidentally lengthening the long-term game for those of us who are travelling less slowly).

Allow me to try explain.

I believe MA are "adjusting the skill values" and "attempting to maintain balance" for only one real reason - to protect their product from exploitation.

What MA have always lacked is "volume testing" at the top end of the system. As in: I suspect all their original algorithms were based on the premise that it would probably take any sane person depositing say $15 US a month (similar to most other MMORPGS) about 20 years (or maybe even 40-50, I'm just sucking numbers here) to reach anywhere near the end-points of their Stat systems (Level 100 Profession, for example).

So they set their guns and crafting stats up and made L100 the "best economy available" in the system, with the reward being that having reached that pinnacle of success, you'd be in a position to actually steadily make a return on your investment - which as you may recall above there, was likely estimated to be many, many years in the future.

I'm guessing they perhaps expected they would be solidly into "standard production" and be maintaining a long-term product with huge membership by that time, rather than still ironing out some beta-type teething systems. In short - my guess is that "people achieving max stats" was an idea that was sort of intended to come along in the natural course of time and having a couple of those folks about was not going to be a problem in the greater scheme of things.

What I suspect has happened is the following though:
Not only have multiple people maxed their levels in multiple professions, even before EU had officially left Beta, but more and more people are coming to EU and not doing the "small regular deposit" thing but are sinking 10's of thousands of US Dollars a year into advancing their skills, trying their best to buy and click their way to the top as fast as they possibly can.

There's a huge culture in EU that is all about "the end goal" whatever people believe that to be, and for most hunters that appears to be held up to be "running around in full Eon/Shadow/Chronicle/Vain/Supremacy with <insert MOD Weapon of Choice here> slaying <insert 15K HP creature here> left and right." Oh yes. While making money hand over fist.

For MA, I'm betting this was a bit of a conundrum. I mean - how the hell do you COMPLAIN to your client base that they're depositing and advancing too quickly? You certainly don't want to discourage them from giving you money!

But if more and more people suddenly reach L100 in their professional skills and are gaining the perks of "better economy" that such a position entails, and they are reaching it before there is a steady background of lesser-skilled folks to help even out the playing field statistically, then MA start to face the prospect of seeing more and more of their high-end depositors reach efficiency and then start to pull some of the cash flow back in their direction.

So what would you do if you saw that "top end bloat" happening to your system? Throttle it, naturally? Extend the curve. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly. Sure, the players are going to call them nerfs, but they are in fact exactly what MA says they are: necessary game balancing moves.

So I hear you asking : nice concept, but why are you waffling at me?

I just wanted to take the time to put out there to all those people who have passed 200K (!?) skills in under 2 years and are thinking that "life is unfair" or something for them, the following possibilities:

1) Maybe, just maybe, YOU are the one causing your own problems.
Maybe it's the fact that you are chasing your skill count so hard, that the journey and the experience is not important any more, only your raw stats. Maybe it's the fact that you are part of the wave of people who have skewed MA's projected growth curves, so they are forced to adapt it in order to maintain long-term game feasibility.

2) No-one is _asking_ or _forcing_ you to plough thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars into your entertainment system, but if you feel you have to do this just to "keep up with the Jones' " then you also need to realise that the only person responsible for your final balance and personal happiness is NOT MA, it's yourself.

So expecting MA to perform like a turn-of-the-century old-school Department Store and know you by name and offer you more globals when you walk in the door if you're a big spender in their Men's Department is not very ... *searches for a good word* I dunno... realistic maybe?

It seems far more realistic to me to expect MA to operate like any other "entertainment / gaming establishment" from either a casino to the owner of a penny arcade (or carnival - some sort of large establishment that provides entertainment to a vast number of people in an ongoing fashion)...

They have an equal responsibility to ALL their customers and just because you insist to ride the rollercoaster all day is not really a reason to treat you any better than the next guy who walks in fresh off the street.

**************

So there we go, just my thoughts for you this weekend... I hope you've not taken offence, because none is meant. I am simply trying to offer another way of looking at the situation and the problems you are facing.

I think you are _right_ to question the value of investing as much money as you do in this form of expression and entertainment, and if you truly consider this an investment then unfortunately you should take very very careful note of the fact that this is not a banking institute and there are no guarantees or even a statement of agreement saying that you've entered into an investment with them. As such, I'd put this "investment" into the "very shaky to completely unpredictable" category and I would have to be prepared to lose every cent I invested before I could justify depositing thousands and thousands of dollars.

Remember: as your experience has shown there are always going to be people over any period of time who do exceptionally well, exceptionally poorly, or just exceptionally average. If at the moment you are one of the ones doing poorly-to-average, it's important to realise I think that continuing to spend large sums in the same fashion is simply not guaranteed at any point to alter you over to one of the ones doing well.

It may well happen, or you may simply continue to find yourself "statistically unlucky". It happens. In fact, these forums are not short of people who will confirm this for you in rather tragic detail. I hope things start to go better for you, but my simple advice would be:

Don't put any money into this virtual world you are not entirely and 100% prepared to lose outright.

My more complicated advice might be: sometimes, life is not about the destination. Slow down, and explore a bit perhaps, and enjoy the ride.

Thank you for your time and patience with this post.
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all I have to say is WOW. if only all the whiners could read this.... great post and gl out there, it seems like atleast one person got this whole idea
 
Cly said:
2) No-one is _asking_ or _forcing_ you to plough thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars into your entertainment system, but if you feel you have to do this just to "keep up with the Jones' " then you also need to realise that the only person responsible for your final balance and personal happiness is NOT MA, it's yourself.
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That is one of the best things I have ever read on EF. (This isn't directed at you, Valentin); I don't understand people who bitch and bitch and bitch about depositing thousands, doing high-risk and inefficient things and then complaining about it!? As I said to a friend last night, think of this analogy:

If you take $10,000 to a betting office and bet it all on a horse race only to lose it, is it the betting office's fault? No.

Next week, you take $10,000 to a betting office and bet it all on a dog race only to lose it, is it the betting office's fault? No.

People do the equivalent of this all the time in PE yet still complain about it being MA's fault. YOU are in control of your deposits and how you spend them.

Anyway, that was off topic - I don't know what to say in response to your post Valentin except that gaining that many skills in such a short space of time = awesome :D I recently restarted afresh and have gained over 50k in three months, it's just a case of whether I can maintain momentum (I doubt it :silly2: )
 
Cly, you hit the nail on the head! Great! +rep
 
I almost wanted to post a reply but what more could I say. I say +rep Cly
 
Maybe i missunderstand your post , but what i understand confuses me a bit :

You deposited around 300k Ped in your 1year 10 month ,
You have 260k Ped and 200k skills and i´m shure you have some gear worth some k ,
now i wonder what you expect ?
If i have summed up it right then you had a lot of fun in your time (exept the uber item or ATH) and hasnt lost much.
I bet there are tons of players which would give their right hand to be in such situation.

my 2 pecs
 
payment for entertainment novel concept !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even more so you pay me Love it
 
Cly said:
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Don't put any money into this virtual world you are not entirely and 100% prepared to lose outright.

My more complicated advice might be: sometimes, life is not about the destination. Slow down, and explore a bit perhaps, and enjoy the ride.

Thank you for your time and patience with this post...
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I agree :)

Cheers :beerchug:
 
STYRM said:
all I have to say is WOW. if only all the whiners could read this.... great post and gl out there, it seems like atleast one person got this whole idea
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Absolutely on the spot ...Cly, and yes just because the destination aint in sight the road is still worth travelling:)
:D
 
I view the road that is PE as "The Zen art of navigation."

You might not end up where you wanted to be, but you will end up where you needed to be.

With that in mind, I don't think of a destination, and just enjoy the journey.
I depo what I can afford, and behave in a manner such that it last until the next time I will be able to depo.
 
I agree to a certain extent with you Cly, but you've made several clangers.

First your RL bank theory. Do you know that your savings are not guaranteed by the bank? If the bank goes down so does your cash. Do you also know if you have a mortgage with the bank the debit will be sold, so your mortgage will be transferred to a different company? Nice ;)
Anyway, this system was sold to me as a game with a real cash economy where you have the potential to make profit and I like profit.
Prior to the last 6 months the majority of developed economies have been in a situation where we, the people, have a huge disposable income. From top to bottom of society we have never been (proportionally to expense) so rich. This factor should have been inbuilt to the system by Carl. Maybe these older men, while highly qualified in economy in general are not so in touch with the economy of the youth. Or maybe they just didn’t care and this is a cash cow. I certainly feel like that with the lack of fluid communication that I would expect from, not my turn of the century Harrods, but my 21st century communications and technology based company.
Keeping up with the joneses. What a twee and culturally loaded statement. I prefer to call it natural progression within a closed system, evolution in game and competition with your fellows.
The end goal. Of course we are all obsessed with the end goal, this system has a guise of a game and all games have a set of goal. Without goals we humans are nothing.

MindArk would never say that we are depositing too much and have in fact encouraged it throughout their lean years. I cite their public accounts. It was not all roses from MindArk you know, they needed that cash.
In all business that I am privy to is a recurring theme, the Pareto principle, that being the majority of your income comes from the minority of your customer base. This is the same for MindArk. There is not an equal responsibility to ALL customers. There is a weighted responsibility to your BREAD WINNERS. If you don’t see this then you are naive or have communist morals within a capitalist system.

Anyway, you have most eloquently put across a case that, no offence, is wrong. Saying that, I do agree with the principle of “If you can’t afford it, don’t deposit it” as this is the problem with people, they max themselves out and expect a return.
All of this bad feeling in the playerbase could be avoided with open fluid communication with MindArk.

Finally. Valintn. You’re hunting above your level, while this gives you great excitement and good skills gains it will empty your ped card fast. You must find a new excitement/cash balance.
 
First off all i have say that i can lose the money i deposiit so thats no problem the problem is if MA give os a service to do things in game then i want to do that and thats fun but i cant see the point why i have deposit 50k/months to have fun or more and thats not for buy items just to be able to do all kinds off stuff in the game. ( my limit is 22k peds )..

But i have been here for 2 years now on the loot list and so on and to me it seems that i can see that MA likes theres ubers because if mid-player hunt in team and hit the same animals like the ubers they never come clouse the loot.

So now i will stopp play so much start to eat chips buy uber gear and do some hardcore hunting not everyday but 2-3 times/week..

So if MA only likes ubers so will they get 1 more. and when all ppl only say to me that i play wrong all the time and just waste peds cant some 1 then thell me how to play...:wise:
 
if you have been playing for two years you should know how you should play. do you want to kill big things or small things? do you wanna kill small things eco or not? do you want to kill big things eco or not?
if I had what you have on your pedcard I would buy skills. I would try to max out UL rifles and handguns and then buy me an adj v1 and a adj fap. then I would camp bigger ambu and big argo until I die irl ^^
 
Perhaps is your style of playing, perhaps is that someone has to fill the pool to pay prices.
Try to change a bit, go mining for some weeks, go on some team hunts on smaller mobs.......start sweating?

Well, no more joking, as Clay said everything i can only rewrite her post, so nothing more to add.

Anyway I can say you have been pretty successful, 200k skills and a lot of peds....
 
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