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Entropia gambling? Lets really find out!

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I was going to put this in Joker's thread MA is not a casino... proof but it goes off toppic on increased loot vs skills and can really stand on its own.

If the community wants conclusive proof that Entropia is or is not considered gambling under Swedish Law it should commission as big an add as we can pay for in a Swedish/Gothenburg newspaper containing details about how it looks from the players side.

If it makes it to publication and a few weeks later no one has been charged with a criminal offense (as it is illegal to advertise unlicensed lottery/gambling in a Swedish newspaper) we can rest safe in our beds knowing Entropia is not considered gambling under Swedish Law. A true litmus test.

Does any Swedish citizan want to step forward and place this add?

As the add needs to be in Swedish I can't do it myself, but I will chip in with the cost and put my name on it as I trust what MindArk has told us, anyone else with me?

If what MA has told us is not the whole truth they have the option to save our collective backsides well before we it goes to press.
 
Reserved for add details and supporters

Proposed Entropia Univer Players add, proposed and supported by:

Tarran Gos Hawk, contribution tbc.
 
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I really dont understand whats the point of this.

You want Mindark to admit they are a casino? If MA would do that, they would be illegal and have to stop. We all lose shitloads of money if that happens.


If MA tells they are NOT a casino (which they are not) you will keep on crying how the loots suck and some ppl get more etc etc.

So tell me.

What the fuck do you want?
 
Why proof what cannot be proven.
 
Gos said:
is or is not
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Nah.

If you do the same shit day by day, you lose in the long run.

If you don't do your shit when its not worth doing it, you win in the long run.

It really is that simple.
 
3 § The lottery referred to in this Act, an activity where one or more
participants, with or without intervention, may have a gain at a higher
value than each of the other participants may have.

Assigned to the lottery

1. lot, guessing, betting and similar procedures,

2nd market and fairground amusements;

3rd bingo, slot machines, roulette games, dice games, card games,
chain letters, games and similar games.

In determining whether an activity is a lottery account shall be taken
the business the general nature and not only to the larger
or lesser degree of chance inherent in the individual case.

With the profits referred to in this Act shall also be entitled to any further play.
Lag (1996:1168).
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And i will post this.. correspondance with the lotteryinspection for my exam about creating a real cash lootsystem and about eu. (gogole translation)


From: Magnus Söderberg [mailto: xxx@hotmail.com]
Posted: January 30, 2010 18:48
To: Registrar
Topic: Questions for my thesis

Hi,

My name is Magnus and I are currently writing my thesis
in game design.

You have previously gone through the Entropia Universe, or that it even called Project Entropia.

My questions relate to a certain extent this game. The game aims to be example chasing monsters in the game and can get "loot" from this monster in the form of objects and weapons etc.. These can then sell and make money. You can also use the show to put money in the game and buy things.

If this system would be completely random how good things you get and the monster that gives dividends, etc.. would it then be counted as it was a lottery?

What would be necessary for there to be counted as a lottery in such cases? Would eg to give the players some indications of the monsters that give good dividends and which are not make it? This would then change how the game be in the form of lottery teams?

Would also be good if you could mention which parts of the law I should look at to get a better understanding of what applies on this type of game and Lotteries Act.

Would also like to point out that this correspondence might be published in my thesis.

Yours sincerely,

Magnus Söderberg

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From: Johan Rydstedt

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:50 AM

To: 'xxxt@hotmail.com'

Cc: Registry

Subject: SV: Questions for my thesis

Hi,

I enclose waiver decision in the matter.

As shown in the view we do not then that it was a lottery. The impression we got when we played was that it took quite a lot of skill to kill monsters and get their "loot".

If it only had to buy arms and ammunition and then go out and kill monsters without either the knowledge or skill, it would have more resembled a lottery. It would then be classified as an advanced online casino games online.

What we could see is the chance to decide what "loot" a monster has, but the fact that a fairly substantial knowledge and skill to kill monsters did then, that we did not consider the game in its entirety to be a lottery.

The definition of the lottery, you will find in the Lottery Act § 3.

Yours sincerely,

Johan Rydstedt

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From: Magnus Söderberg [mailto: xxx@hotmail.com]
Sent: February 3, 2010 18:45
To: Johan Rydstedt
Subject: Re: Questions for my thesis

Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. It will be of my help to some extent, it is a supplementary question.



What are you on when you mention the knowledge and skill? Do you mean that the required skill to aim for the patterns and see, or do you mean more to the case of having knowledge about how the game works and know where the good loot at the moment is so?

Sincerely

Magnus Söderberg

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Hi,

It is a combination of both of which account is the overall assessment. In order to kill monsters is not enough just to shoot. First, the monster can kill you and you have to maneuver your guy in different directions while trying to kill the monster. It simply requires both knowledge of how the game works and skill with regard to handling of such weapons.

Yours sincerely,

Johan Rydstedt
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There you have it, EU is NOT gambling
 
I really dont like to be dismissive but who cares what you call it?

It is what it is.
You either enjoy the activity and keep doing it or you dont enjoy it and stop.

Does it matter what label you put on it?
 
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Legion said:
And i will post this.. correspondance with the lotteryinspection for my exam about creating a real cash lootsystem and about eu. (gogole translation)

There you have it, EU is NOT gambling
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Enough said, thread closed. :laugh:
 
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