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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel O2 Mercer View Post
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    Guys I think you are fighting over rounding and display errors. If you (sawachika) confirmed that your pedcard only contained exactly 5 PEC after transfering the dividend of 1 Share, then the remaining 0.8 PEC must be stored in the share center. It doesn't show because, probably, it can't display quantities lower than 1 PEC.

    Your pedcard works the same, it can store fractions of a PEC but it's unable to display it.

    Just my opinion, there's no need to be angry either way. If there's a problem they will fix it, MA doesn't screw around when money is involved (they are audited every year, right?).

    PS: I'm not at home, but I will give this a test later. If there's a problem I'll make a support case, as you should. But honestly I would wait until next week, since with just a 0.2 PEC extra we should see the PEC value jump.
    Oh don't worry, there's hardly any fighting at all. The flamethrowers aren't even out yet.

    I was just wondering what I've observed and stated, that was offending him so much, to the extent that he would have written what he wrote.

    Anyway, as far as the pecs are concerned, I don't think its a display error. For as long as I've held onto my 1 CLD, I've never seen a discrepancy in payout from what was stated in -
    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...racker/page220

    It was always what was stated, with the remaining numbers below a pec being "chopped off".

    However, knowing it was one thing...but those missing pecs never really bothered me much, so I usually shrugged them off as pecs I've "lost".

    (Btw, I do know about the PED card being able to store values less than 1 pec, but doesn't display them. However, I doubt the share center does that though...cause I've never seen it giving out values less than 1 pec and I've never noticed my share center having any "extra pecs" out of the norm either.)

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    Well MA support is hilarious and full of information as always
    My question:

    >> I have one share and I got 0.05 ped for.
    >> According to report from other player with 100 shares he got not 5.00 ped but 5.80 ped for the same period or 0.058 ped per share.

    And their answer:

    > You received incorrect information, you received the exact same amount as all other deed holders with 1 deed.

    I doubt if they read questions at all... Still full of hope I filed another question.
    Nevertheless I guess it's time to say good buy to my 0.8 pec (and all future fractions).
    Hope they be used wisely for fertilizers and other important stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PigeonQueen View Post
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    , ...you received the exact same amount as all other deed holders with 1 deed...
    ...but you got less then the rest

    Hilarious

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    There seems to be some debate about this PEC fraction stuff, but as far as I can tell it's addressed in the original announcement?

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    Minimum dividend payout is 1 PEC per share. If the payout per share is less than 1 PEC, the amount is carried over to the following week’s dividend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quote|MindArk View Post
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    There seems to be some debate about this PEC fraction stuff, but as far as I can tell it's addressed in the original announcement?
    I think the debate is whether it's 'system wide' carryover or per avatar carryover... at least I think that's what this is about? Does the carryover happen per avatar or system wide where if there's not enough to pay out pec it holds it for all to split next time?... i.e. do those with more shares get paid more per share per week since they have enough to bypass the carryover limit since they have enough to round up instead of down, or whatever. (I think it's systemwide, and think AUD may be too, but am not sure about that?... care to clarify?)

    (kind of similar to the old debate that if you craft explosive projectile I you get less than projectile II or higher crafting since the system rounds it out so that you end up loosing more nickel and dime overall over time)
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    There seems to be some debate about this PEC fraction stuff, but as far as I can tell it's addressed in the original announcement?

    Nope. The debate right now is about rounding issues. AUDs pay an integer number of pecs, so if you have 100 deeds you will ALWAYS get multiples of 1 ped paid out (if there is a payout). The original statement probably made many people think payouts were like AUDs, I know I did, in integer pecs.
    However, the payout we had looks more like the CLD system, where having 10 deeds/shares can payout whatever exact pec value works and is more than 10x the payout for 1 deed.
    So, we saw people with 1 share get 5 pecs, and people with 10 shares get 58 pecs (I believe...).

    That's our connundrum if next week a 2.2pec internal value will give people with 1 share 3 pecs (the .8 and the .2 roll over), while people with 10 shares get 22pecs (and things look right again - 8 pecs versus 80 pecs). Or will a single share just get 2 pecs and lose out on the rounding again?

  7. #337
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    There seems to be some debate about this PEC fraction stuff, but as far as I can tell it's addressed in the original announcement?
    Yeah, the debate happened precisely because it was different from what was "addressed in the original announcement".

    Kindly refer -
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    Well, sad news -- transferred exactly 0.05 ped: Transfer complete! 0.05000 PED was transferred to your PED card.
    And after that there is only 0.05 pec on card, no way to buy 501 ammo and no additional pec after sale.
    Well, I'll check next week as well. Soon probably good to file a ticket just to have official answer.
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    Don't think he/she will. The CPSS shares pay out in a more similar fashion to CLDs than to AUDs.

    AUDs pay out to the exact 1 pec or doesn't at all. I've never seen any odd pecs from them...as in if I had 20 AUDs, I will always get a number divisible by 20...eg. 20, 40, 60.

    While CLDs pay out in smaller values as well. So people who hold 100 CLDs will get a closer value to the actual payout rather than one who holds 1 CLD.

    Whatever happens to the "extra" pecs that is rounded off....its anyone's guess. Cause I've never had them re-compensated throughout my holding of that darn 1 CLD.

    For instance,


    I will only get 3.10 peds. The missing fractions of a pec.....remains "missing and lost forever".
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    Oh don't worry, there's hardly any fighting at all. The flamethrowers aren't even out yet.

    I was just wondering what I've observed and stated, that was offending him so much, to the extent that he would have written what he wrote.

    Anyway, as far as the pecs are concerned, I don't think its a display error. For as long as I've held onto my 1 CLD, I've never seen a discrepancy in payout from what was stated in -
    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...racker/page220

    It was always what was stated, with the remaining numbers below a pec being "chopped off".

    However, knowing it was one thing...but those missing pecs never really bothered me much, so I usually shrugged them off as pecs I've "lost".

    (Btw, I do know about the PED card being able to store values less than 1 pec, but doesn't display them. However, I doubt the share center does that though...cause I've never seen it giving out values less than 1 pec and I've never noticed my share center having any "extra pecs" out of the norm either.)
    CLD Payout:

    Note: I have exactly 1 CLD and in the above PED flow center, you can see that the "Calypso Revenue" being paid into the balance are exact (totally no excess fractions of a pec being rolled over into my balance). Same thing for the system message paid into my PED card. Exactly 3.10000 PED. Unless you want to tell me that this system message is wrong and has "truncated" the fractions of a pec. Reference: CLD ROI Tracker

    AUD Payout:


    Note: I have exactly 30 AUDs and in the above PED flow center, you can see that the revenue being paid into my balance are exactly divisible by 30.

    This is the reason why I made my above observation in my previous posts.

    If the CPSS shares were working as stated in the official announcement, then the payout we ought to have observed would be closer to the AUD payout (as I've shown) and everyone would have gotten the same payout per share regardless of the number of shares they held. Not like the CLD payout (as what has been observed) and people who got 1000 CLD got more payout than people who held 100 CLD while people who held 1 CLD lost out the most.

    And since I've never once gotten any excess pecs from my CLD payouts, thus my conclusion that he/she might have to say goodbye to his/her 0.8 pecs.

    To further clarify what I meant, let say there is this hypothetical deed called ZZZ.
    Total number of ZZZ deeds - 500,000
    Revenue to be paid out - 123,456 PEDs
    Revenue to be paid out per deed - 0.246912 PEDs

    If it were to be paid out using AUD system, then...
    No. of Deeds Held
    PEDs Received
    PEDs Received per Deed
    1 0.24 0.24
    10 2.40 0.24
    100 24.00 0.24
    Remaining 3,456 PEDs withheld till next payout.

    If it were to be paid out using CLD system, then...
    No. of Deeds Held PEDs Received PEDs Received per Deed
    1 0.24 0.24
    10 2.46 0.246
    100 24.69 0.2469

    And at present, what we're seeing happening is that CPSS shares are using the CLD system to payout the revenue.
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    I'm not personally involved with the development of this system but I will discuss this concern with the people who are and investigate whether or not there is any issue and if not, how we can make the system more clear for players.

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    I guess the total payout is calculated for each avatar depending on the number of shares held and then rounded down to the nearst pec for that week.
    Rather then round first before summing over deeds held. This makes the most sense anyway as everyone gets pay as close to the ammount owed as possible for any given week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quote|MindArk View Post
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    I'm not personally involved with the development of this system but I will discuss this concern with the people who are and investigate whether or not there is any issue and if not, how we can make the system more clear for players.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Can you also look itno making these tradable before September, I imagine adding that functionality is quite simple and making an asset more liquid is always a good thing

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