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From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Entropia

Project Entropia's nature causes concern for players who worry about possible legal entanglements through the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act and other similar acts of legislation that address online gambling. All aspects of the game aside from "sweating" and trading follow the same pattern as slot machines at a casino:

CASINO

Money is converted to tokens -> tokens (one or more) are loaded into the slot machine -> the machine is triggered through electronic switch or pull-arm action -> the machine either pays nothing or provides a "win" on a random basis (a few tokens, a lot of tokens, or other prizes including cars, boats, furs, and other items of value) -> tokens are converted back to money when leaving the casino.

PROJECT ENTROPIA

Money is converted to PED (in-game currency) -> PED is used to buy into a trade (blueprints, weapons, mining devices) and PED is "loaded" into these devices in the form of materials, ammo, or probes/bombs for mining -> the device is triggered by looting, probing, or crafting -> the system either pays nothing or provides a "win" on a random basis (a few PED, a lot of PED, or other prizes including armor, weapons, clothing, and other items of value) -> PED can be converted back to money and withdrawn from Project Entropia.

NOTE: Although the relative skills of each character influence the maximum size of a successful loot/creation/mining effort that "wins," each triggering of the payback system yields a win or loss on a random basis. The current working text of the USA's proposed IGPA legislation identifies this activity as gambling. Other countries have similar legislative controls over gambling, which could impact Project Entropia's long-term viability.

The game also encourages players to keep trying for a big payout by constantly displaying "globals" and "Hall of Fame" successes by players getting large wins in hunting, crafting, or mining. These globals are injected into the chat interface, creating a constant reminder that enough clicks and enough PED can get a "big hit" in much the same way that flashing lights and sirens announce a jackpot at the slot machines in a casino.
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Also...

The difference is that, in most countries, investments and gambling are regulated industries whilst on-line games with real economies are currently unregulated and players therefore have limited rights under the game's EULA and little legal protection if MindArk were to go bankrupt.
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Anyone else slightly concerned by this...?

My current opinion is neutral and I play PE for entertainment and fun expecting nothing else in return, however, I can easily see how people can easily fall into the "gambling addict" mentality at which point PE becomes a problem for them, especially among younger/less experienced players trying to compete with everyone else.

Do we need more open, clear, transparent and less ambiguous regulation and guidelines regarding the true nature of PE?

I think so, I'd hate to think that MindArk are currently hedging their bets at the moment regarding their legal status and are running the risk of running foul of the law resulting in being fined or even closed down…
 
this has been raised over and over again, I suggest you do a search. Also a very strange 1st post
 
John Titor said:
I'd hate to think that MindArk are currently hedging their bets at the moment regarding their legal status and are running the risk of running foul of the law resulting in being fined or even closed down…
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Thats what lawyers and the EULA are for. Im sure both have that area covered for now.

Only real concern I can see at the moment is for governments to force ISPs to deny access to such places to their customers.

edit: and thats what proxies are for.
 
It says all that in Wikipedia? Must be true then. :tongue2:
 
MA going bankrupt wouldnt affect the way PE operates.

how do i know? it happened before. and the game is still there :)
 
I'd personally like to see some serious regulation applied to Project Entropia.

Force them to post the odds of winning and payout. Also perhaps in that also the effects of items and skills to the finest degree.

Just my opinion mind you.
 
oh yea they got no $$$ :rolleyes:

see https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20031

I'd buy shares in PE if I could , and this news means MASSIVE $$ injection into PE and OJ injection if MA are cleaver and do some 2 way advertising IE ok mr 'coke' co. stick this little PE ad on your cans in Europe for us and we'll give you free ads in PE
 
I suppose this is just the logical conclusion to the garbage that gets posted on here day-in day-out.

If even PE's regular players use these very negative terms, why shouldn't Wiki?

I wonder how many prospective players will be put off by this?

What a shame the forums contain so many short-sighted people. :rolleyes:
 
kygon said:
oh yea they got no $$$ :rolleyes:

see https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20031

I'd buy shares in PE if I could , and this news means MASSIVE $$ injection into PE and OJ injection if MA are cleaver and do some 2 way advertising IE ok mr 'coke' co. stick this little PE ad on your cans in Europe for us and we'll give you free ads in PE
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wohoo this is great news :)) ahh
 
Morg said:
Thats what lawyers and the EULA are for. Im sure both have that area covered for now.

Only real concern I can see at the moment is for governments to force ISPs to deny access to such places to their customers.

edit: and thats what proxies are for.
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Project-Entropia client-server connections are based on UDP. This allows for variable lag, better gameplay on low-speed connections but can increase lag if there is some and can create rubber-banding effects. It has a better connection security as there is no session initiation and no session control outside the raw data. However, there are few proxies that could route this kind of connection.


aridash said:
It says all that in Wikipedia? Must be true then. :tongue2:
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Of course it is, any other source outside Wikipedia has the same credibility in terms of human factor and bias. So you have to define "true" as human knoledge and not scientific fact.
 
mrproper said:
Of course it is, any other source outside Wikipedia has the same credibility in terms of human factor and bias. So you have to define "true" as human knoledge and not scientific fact.
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Oh do behave, anyone can put anything in a wiki entry. thats its strength and its weakness. I could go on there an say that Mr Proper is not very proper and those that believe wiki entries will believe it until you re-edit.

Someone has made a flawed comparison to casinos to show their believe that it is one and Id disagree with this assertion based on nothing more than my own experience of MA and real gambling.
 
Yeah I am definitly enjoying myself despite the issues. It is almost is like therapy. So this does not discourage me.

If MA has a good vision and makes good decisions then we can ride this for awhile.

mrproper said:
Of course it is, any other source outside Wikipedia has the same credibility in terms of human factor and bias. So you have to define "true" as human knoledge and not scientific fact.
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aridash said:
Someone has made a flawed comparison to casinos to show their believe that it is one and Id disagree with this assertion based on nothing more than my own experience of MA and real gambling.
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gee, do ya think it might of been John Titor :rolleyes:
 
1. Don't feed the troll
2. I could write the direct opposite on Wikipedia
3. Don't feed the troll

And MB - trace the IP of this user and tie him to similar threads made by first-time posters today and yesterday... I bet something interesting would come up :)
 
aridash said:
Someone has made a flawed comparison to casinos....
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Where is the flaw in the following?:

CASINO

Money is converted to tokens -> tokens (one or more) are loaded into the slot machine -> the machine is triggered through electronic switch or pull-arm action -> the machine either pays nothing or provides a "win" on a random basis (a few tokens, a lot of tokens, or other prizes including cars, boats, furs, and other items of value) -> tokens are converted back to money when leaving the casino.

PROJECT ENTROPIA

Money is converted to PED (in-game currency) -> PED is used to buy into a trade (blueprints, weapons, mining devices) and PED is "loaded" into these devices in the form of materials, ammo, or probes/bombs for mining -> the device is triggered by looting, probing, or crafting -> the system either pays nothing or provides a "win" on a random basis (a few PED, a lot of PED, or other prizes including armor, weapons, clothing, and other items of value) -> PED can be converted back to money and withdrawn from Project Entropia.

Seems like a sound analogy to me.

As I said before, my current opinion is neutral and I do not necessarily believe everything that I read or hear, especially on Wikipedia. I was merely highlighting the fact that these quotes do actually appear on the highly popular and widely read Wikipedia website, and seem to be the current consensus. I merely wondered how the wider community felt about this.

I’m sure MindArk have considered many future implications and many possible future scenarios with their legal team, however, I believe the issue here is the lack of transparency and concrete information, and also their seemingly intentional ambiguity about what PE actual is (in a legal sense).
 
Well, with the new advertising system being implemented, maybe they will make skills more effective....I do not see the original quote as entirely accurate either. It says that skills affect the overall size of loots...I disagree. I think that in crafting at least, skills affect the frequency of loots. I think PE will be around for a long time to come, and hopefully the new advert system will make it even more interesting to play. Loot an armani tie with your globals.....Or a value meal from mcdonalds...the possibilities are endless.. :beerchug:
 
John Titor said:
Seems like a sound analogy to me.
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diference is :
PE is in sweden
and it looks like for the sweden lotery inspection PE is not a casino but a virtual universe.

the following scenario can happen:

sweden lotery change their mind or a country( like USA) ask to MA to does not alow their resident to access to PE ( baning all USA IP).

both are very extreme , and there a lot of other stuff to look at then a little compagny like MA :)
 
Wolf Grey said:
1. Don't feed the troll
2. I could write the direct opposite on Wikipedia
3. Don't feed the troll

And MB - trace the IP of this user and tie him to similar threads made by first-time posters today and yesterday... I bet something interesting would come up :)
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1. How am I a troll? I merely discovered this article on Wikipedia today and posed a question to the wider community about what they thought about it.

2. Yes, anyone could write and can write anything they like. I never said I actually 100% agreed with the quote and I also stated that my opinion was neutral on the issue. All I asked here is for people's opinions and I never claimed that what was written was necessarily accurate.

3. ANYONE can edit wikipedia and the intention is for a sensible consensus to emerge. If you disagree with it then correct the article, it's unlikely that I would intentionally "vandalise" the Project Entropia entry and then post it on this forum where any user could then re-edit it.

Why should my IP address be traced? I asked a legitimate question as an adult who enjoys playing PE, is aware of the implications but has a few minor concerns and questions, and just wondered what other people thought.

Wolf Grey, your negative reaction was highly paranoid and unecessary. -rep
 
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John Titor said:
Where is the flaw in the following?:
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The flaw is the unknown and untested assertion that loot distribution in PE is random.
 
John Titor said:
Wolf Grey, your negative reaction was highly paranoid and unecessary. -rep
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Remember to push the "Add to reputation button" - then choose "I don't approve" :)
 
John Titor said:
1. How am I a troll? I merely discovered this article on Wikipedia today and posed a question to the wider community about what they thought about it.

2. Yes, anyone could write and can write anything they like. I never said I actually 100% agreed with the quote and I also stated that my opinion was neutral on the issue. All I asked here is for people's opinions and I never claimed that what was written was necessarily accurate.

3. ANYONE can edit wikipedia and the intention is for a sensible consensus to emerge. If you disagree with it then correct the article, it's unlikely that I would intentionally "vandalise" the Project Entropia entry and then post it on this forum where any user could then re-edit it.

Why should my IP address be traced? I asked a legitimate question as an adult who enjoys playing PE, is aware of the implications but has a few minor concerns and questions, and just wondered what other people thought.

Wolf Grey, your negative reaction was highly paranoid and unecessary. -rep
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well Im always suspicious of any new account here that posts negative and argument inducing material here , why post this for your 1st post?
 
John Titor said:
Wolf Grey, your negative reaction was highly paranoid and unecessary. -rep
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JT, well since you reverted to counting in your previous post I shall do the same. :wise:

1. Thank God that this forum does not allow n00b posters to give +/- rep right away. :rolleyes:

2. Most folks that are looking to contribute to the community come in and post nice things in the Hello my name is....section. And dont come in and start posting these kinds of things right away. It just looks bad. Regardless of the reasons. :tongue2:

3. Look at my avatar very very closely and heed his words. :cool:

Regards,
 
aridash said:
The flaw is the unknown and untested assertion that loot distribution in PE is random.
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True Aridash, I agree.

What is true, however, is that the loot distribution algorithm is unknown to any user and seemingly appears to be of a highly random nature.
 
We better take him seriously guys! He's a time traveler came back from the future to find an old IBM! He actually knows what is going to happen to PE!

Didn't get it? Don't know John Titor? Try Google ;)
 
Chainfire said:
We better take him seriously guys! He's a time traveler came back from the future to find an old IBM! He actually knows what is going to happen to PE!

Didn't get it? Don't know John Titor? Try Google ;)
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"Was he a brilliant fraud, or an ordinary soldier from 2036?"

hmm I'm sure this one is neither lol :rolleyes:
 
kygon said:
well Im always suspicious of any new account here that posts negative and argument inducing material here , why post this for your 1st post?
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I merely posed a question and informed the community about information on Project Entropia that appears elsewhere on the internet, for the benefit of the community. Knowledge is Power, let's not bury our heads in the sand and only hear the things we want to hear about PE.

I have said several times that my opinion is NEUTRAL on the issue and I never said that I necessarily agree with what was writen, I only asked for opinions.

There is nothing negative in what I wrote, in fact it's a very constructive criticism and a healthy area for debate. The day when we are only allowed to talk about Project Entropia in a highly positive way is when I will quit playing and actually really fear for the future of MindArk. I'm very happy that free speech is alive and well in many nations.

If this was my 1st post or my 4522nd post it's irrelevant and the topic is still a valid one.

Let's stay on the original topic and not let the tin foil hat wearers begin a paranoid smear campaign in what could become a healhty discussion. I'm not from the future, a member of the illuminati/new world order, a shape-shifting reptilian, a grey from Area 51, a Sony/Microsoft employee, a republican neo-conservative, a member of Mossad or anything else of that nature!
 
John Titor said:
Let's stay on the original topic and not let the tin foil hat wearers begin a paranoid smear campaign in what could become a healhty discussion. I'm not from the future, a member of the illuminati/new world order, a shape-shifting reptilian, a grey from Area 51, a Sony/Microsoft employee, a republican neo-conservative, a member of Mossad or anything else of that nature!
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Only time will tell, and of course your future posts....
 
NetStalker said:
JT, well since you reverted to counting in your previous post I shall do the same. :wise:

1. Thank God that this forum does not allow n00b posters to give +/- rep right away. :rolleyes:

2. Most folks that are looking to contribute to the community come in and post nice things in the Hello my name is....section. And dont come in and start posting these kinds of things right away. It just looks bad. Regardless of the reasons. :tongue2:

3. Look at my avatar very very closely and heed his words. :cool:

Regards,
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I was only counting in sarcastic reference to Wolf Grey's previous posting.

Thank you for demonstarting your highly patronising and unecessary prejudicial attitude towards "noobs" who have less "experience" than your holiness (despite the fact that they may possibly have more real life experience than you).

I have contributed to the community by not only allowing people to be aware of what is written on Wikipedia, be it accurate or not, and allowing them to correct any perceived inaccuracies should they wish, but also opening up the issue to debate for the benefit of everyone.
 
who's paranoid? lol 1st post = this === me thinking about the motives behind it. As for post count many 'troll' type posts start from a new fake account and they are 1st posts, not saying your a troll but i'm saying that it would help your credibility if you had posted something else here 1st thats all

I'm just sick of seeing this casino debate over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over again
 
kygon said:
"Was he a brilliant fraud, or an ordinary soldier from 2036?"

hmm I'm sure this one is neither lol :rolleyes:
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Thank you for demonstrating your attitude towards those with whom you disagree.

Of course "John Titor" isn't my real name, nor do I claim it be. How many people here actually do use their real name?

It is an interesting story though for those who might want to look it up.
 
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