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Euroman

Euroman

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Just made a support case about no loots after loot lag, seems to me you get alot more no looters just after loot lag.

Yesterday we got a no loot Aurli ravager and today a Hogglo Mature... So finaly I made this support case:

-------------------- Support case --------
Hey there,

Don't know if you will consider this a bug or what you will consider it.

But during loot lag there the loot system gets fucked up - After a loot lag one get alot more no loots than normal.
And it's not just on small mobs, yesterday we had an Aurli Ravager give us no loot (A mob that never gives no loot) after a loot lag, today we had a Hogglo Mature give us no loot after a loot lag - You might say that these mobs can do no loots from time to time, never ever tried it before and find it funny that both times it's just after loot lag.

Have included an image from where we had just killed 2 Hogglos:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/1/7/6/Nolootlaghogglos.JPG

One of them being no loot.

Looking forward to your reply.

Regards.
Tommy "Euroman"
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Anyone else experience this ?
 
everyone who hunt at about 8.40-8.45 do
just step aside and dont kill anything :p
 
Yes... I've had those too. Very annoying.

I actually *was* going to open a support case about the thing, but just never got around to it. :)
 
me, couple of times. i just dont hunt ATH mob so i dont care. it takes more time and energy to get some response or things to be fixed so i wont bother.
 
Pham said:
everyone who hunt at about 8.40-8.45 do
just step aside and dont kill anything :p
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Hehe, well it's not the loot lag in general - It's the no loots from high end mobs I'm concerned about :)

Besides, neither of these 2 insidents was from 8.40-8.45 :)
 
Lol

It's normal..for months..if i'm killing ANY mob and get loot lag...Guess What...ALWAYS NO LOOT...

Little mobs, middle mobs, or high level mobs..

My guess is that MA is 'cleaning out their buffers, whatever' and there is a simple script...when cleaning happens..produce...no loot.

I sure it helps their 'bottom line'

Just my opinion...flame away...

DS
 
Yes, I have that too like 99% of the time ...


Yesterday though, while hunting ambulis that 1% happened ... I globalled after loot lag :) Now imagine my surprise as I NEVER expected to get anything as lag was present ...
 
During yesterday's lootlag, I got around 6 no-loot, and amazingly, 8 pecs loot from something, most surely the chirpy.. :D
 
i got a global with my last loot lag
and sometimes mobs don't loot (maybe even uber mobs too? no idea about those really)
solution is simple, same for trapped bug with ranged mobs
simply don't hunt
 
20 Jun 2006 Frey:
Hi.

Sometimes when you get heavy lag, the loots from mobs you have killed disappear and you only get "This creature carried no loot" msg. This happens even with mobs that ALWAYS carry loot, so it is not a normal "no loot" mob.

Please look over this as soon as possible.

Thanks

20 Jun 2006 MindArk Support:
Hello & thank you for reporting, this will be investigated.
Regards,
Entropia Support

Sad, so sad.
I reported this on june 20th, 1.5 months ago, and got reply/case closed very fast, but it looks like they completely forgot about investigating it though.
Oh well, not like its something they lose money from, would have been a lot faster then...
 
Frey said:
20 Jun 2006 MindArk Support:
Hello & thank you for reporting, this will be investigated.
Regards,
Entropia Support
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i managed to get a snapshot of one of MA's "invastigators". no wonder why nothing has happened, because ive never seen any of these "investigators" in action. and IF someone saw them i think we would have reports and screenshots here.

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i guess the real question is... what are they really doing? (and how did they get that costume?)
 
Nice to know that there are bugs in the loot system.

I thought the increased amount of "no loots" I have gotten after 8.5 was some kind of "feature" to increase the sizes of the globals, but after reading this, I feel I will have to puke or something instead :(
 
sob said:
i managed to get a snapshot of one of MA's "invastigators". no wonder why nothing has happened, because ive never seen any of these "investigators" in action. and IF someone saw them i think we would have reports and screenshots here.

[br]Click to enlarge[/br]

i guess the real question is... what are they really doing? (and how did they get that costume?)
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this is sooo rofl
 
I get loot lag from time to time as well and i do notice that i end up getting no loots for a long time and then things get back to normal... It's really annoying, but maybe it's one of MA's "features".
 
Frey said:
Sad, so sad.
I reported this on june 20th, 1.5 months ago, and got reply/case closed very fast, but it looks like they completely forgot about investigating it though.
Oh well, not like its something they lose money from, would have been a lot faster then...
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Following your support case they did investigate and have decided to turn it into a permanent feature. They have been testing it over the last few days by pushing the 'lag-storm' lever up to full every couple of hours. Don't worry though, the extra loot saved does not go to MA but is funnelled into a separate pool to provide an ATH next time somebody is making a documentary about EU.

(Well that's my theory on the terrible lag recently although I heard someone else suggest that it's because Marco is using the EU servers to update his porn collection.)
 
demoniac said:
Well that's my theory on the terrible lag recently although I heard someone else suggest that it's because Marco is using the EU servers to update his porn collection.
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:laugh:

...maybe that's what the "no loot" row points at :rolleyes:
 
LokiDarkStar said:
It's normal..for months..if i'm killing ANY mob and get loot lag...Guess What...ALWAYS NO LOOT...

Little mobs, middle mobs, or high level mobs..

My guess is that MA is 'cleaning out their buffers, whatever' and there is a simple script...when cleaning happens..produce...no loot.

I sure it helps their 'bottom line'

Just my opinion...flame away...

DS
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i have had a couple of globals during lootlag, can prove it with pic if you want from yesterday
 
Frey said:
20 Jun 2006 Frey:
Hi.

Sometimes when you get heavy lag, the loots from mobs you have killed disappear and you only get "This creature carried no loot" msg. This happens even with mobs that ALWAYS carry loot, so it is not a normal "no loot" mob.

Please look over this as soon as possible.

Thanks

20 Jun 2006 MindArk Support:
Hello & thank you for reporting, this will be investigated.
Regards,
Entropia Support

Sad, so sad.
I reported this on june 20th, 1.5 months ago, and got reply/case closed very fast, but it looks like they completely forgot about investigating it though.
Oh well, not like its something they lose money from, would have been a lot faster then...
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No idea how many people have reported it, and still no fix. I reported it almost 3 months ago now.

13 May 2006 Avery:
Hi

There is a very serious bug, of which you may not be aware.

When trying to loot a mob, if there is "loot lag" (the loot server is unavailable) and the mob carcass/wreckage disappears before the loot is given to the hunter, then the loot is lost.

I have proof of this, since 3 days in a row earlier this week; I got a "This creature did not carry any loot." for a Second Entity. As you well know, Second Entities always carry loot.

This is a serious problem every morning @ 08:30 MindArk Time; when there is maintenance. The loot server is unavailable during this time, and multiple loots are lost. This never used to be a problem before, but for the last month or two, these loots are lost.

Thank you.

15 May 2006 MindArk Support:
Hi,

Thanks for the info,, we have passed this onto the design team.

Regards

Entropia Universe
 
i got even once loot when the carcass was already gone, it maybe just takes more time
you just have to loot it, means rightclick at it, or select and click the loot symbol (i make this 10 times at least :rolleyes: ), but i got my loot once after 1 min, it can happen :)
 
You guys really fishing for someone to admit this?

I'm sure the code goes something like this-

Call loot, if no response within a certain time period, default to no loot. Segs and Aurlis are pretty much the nail in the coffin proving this?? I have received a few globals during loot lag but I suspect the server returned a value just before the time out.
Just some thoughts influenced by some Capt Morgan
 
demoniac said:
(Well that's my theory on the terrible lag recently although I heard someone else suggest that it's because Marco is using the EU servers to update his porn collection.)
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I wonder if he pay with the ped that was in the loot ....



Alice said:
i got even once loot when the carcass was already gone, it maybe just takes more time
you just have to loot it, means rightclick at it, or select and click the loot symbol (i make this 10 times at least :rolleyes: ), but i got my loot once after 1 min, it can happen :)
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you can have the loot even hour after,and even after a relog...Problem is not really that they dont get the loot , problem is magicaly mobs that cost hight shit godzillion load ped to kill and so that give ALL TIME a loot give a no-loot if you kill it during a loot lag.
 
I suppose its bad enough at times that someone might even throw an autoclicker to keep trying to loot it :laugh:
 
I have the same thing. Maybe loot get's less on that mob the longer u leave it there and because of the lag it has changed down to no loot.

So in the case where you got 8pec, it may have been a huge loot and was 8pec at the time of the server picking it up.

Also the mobs getting trapped is annoying and wastes your money.
You cannot hit it, but it can hit u and damage your armor.

This must be changed to no damage either way.
So if you cannot damage the mob, then the mob cannot damage you.

In my opinion that in itself looks like a scam to steal decay ped.
 
Etopia said:
you can have the loot even hour after,and even after a relog...Problem is not really that they dont get the loot , problem is magicaly mobs that cost hight shit godzillion load ped to kill and so that give ALL TIME a loot give a no-loot if you kill it during a loot lag.
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aaah, now i got it, guess that are the mobs the normal player avoids usually
but is this necessary in a loot lag? do they loot all the time usually (as i said, don't hunt this stuff with my little honor )?
 
Yes, the bigger mobs that take a lot to kill almost always give something...
When you hit three aurlis in a row during loot lag and all three come back no loot, thats brown.
 
Vap0r said:
Yes, the bigger mobs that take a lot to kill almost always give something...
When you hit three aurlis in a row during loot lag and all three come back no loot, thats brown.
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Have tried it once in Dome4 and on Hogglo - that's fucked.

In Dome1 you can get no loots, but one lag we had 9 no loots in a row :confused:


It's not even that we get the loot later, it simply tells us that the creature carries no loot :(
 
Vap0r said:
Yes, the bigger mobs that take a lot to kill almost always give something...
When you hit three aurlis in a row during loot lag and all three come back no loot, thats brown.
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then i understood the problem wrong, i thouhgt its just the usual loot lag i have and get loot minutes after
but i even got a global once this way (i guess 30 sec later), and i wonder why aurlies should be that different
pretty strange
 
Original support case said:
Hey there,

Don't know if you will consider this a bug or what you will consider it.

But during loot lag there the loot system gets fucked up - After a loot lag one get alot more no loots than normal.
And it's not just on small mobs, yesterday we had an Aurli Ravager give us no loot (A mob that never gives no loot) after a loot lag, today we had a Hogglo Mature give us no loot after a loot lag - You might say that these mobs can do no loots from time to time, never ever tried it before and find it funny that both times it's just after loot lag.

Have included an image from where we had just killed 2 Hogglos:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/1/7/6/Nolootlaghogglos.JPG

One of them being no loot.

Looking forward to your reply.

Regards.
Tommy "Euroman"
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Same support case as posted in first thread, but have gotten some responce now... Me and Nakia both wrote the same support case, and here are the answers we got:

The answer Nakia got said:
15 Aug 2006 MindArk Support:
Hi,
Thank you for reporting. As we have explained to your fellow team hunter, this is very well possible. As you might now already there is no such thing as a static loot with a specific creature. However, we will forward your remarks to the members of the design team and any irregularities found will be fixed as soon as possible.

Regards,
Entropia Support
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The answer Euroman got said:
16 Aug 2006 MindArk Support:
Hi,
We have received a few similar reports and the issue has been forwarded to the members of the design team for further investigation. Any irregularities found will be adjusted automatically. Should you experience similar problems, please do not hesitate to contact us again by referring to this case.

Regards,
Entropia Support
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Is it just me, or do those 2 answers seem a bit different in what they are trying to say ?
 
I am very surprised that we got so different answers to our cases, to me it looks like they are telling me sorry but loots are not static so no Loot hogglo can occur, and to euro it looks like they are saying it's not supposed to be no loot and if he gets it again he should contact them again... :rolleyes:
 
This is my answer:



Hi,
Thank you for reporting. This is very well possible. As you might now already there is no such thing as a static loot with a specific creature. However, we will forward your remarks to the members of the design team and any irregularities found will be fixed as soon as possible.

Regards,
Entropia Support
 
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