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Azrael

Azrael

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Because Its used in the same manner as ammo, Mind Essence should be sold at the TT (just like ammo). Let the noobs fight for oil ! The price to use Mind Force is outrageous !!!.....but I still use it :/

Bad:
Chip decay is far worse than any weapon plus its addons.
Even the implants and tools for implants decay !
Chip use is much slower than any weapon, thereby causing much more decay to armor.(there is a delay even between the reload times)
Mind essence used per "Shot" is beyond any weapons' ammo use.
Mind essence cost is considerably many more times as much as ammo
Mind Force skills raise soooooo much slower than skills related to other activities.


Good:
It's fun
Potent Firestorm Rocks :)


Conclusion : MA needs to rethink the "Mind Force" aspects of the game to bring it inline with other forms of crafting or hunting uses and prices.

We need some help here to stop this runaway train !!!!!

"Help us MA...You're our only hope"....oops wrong movie :)

Thanks for letting me vent
Az
 
agreed, i have tried MF few times, note tried, but i really would like to use it in my hunting methods, but as Azreal stated, even i am not that crazyy :p

i hope MA might consider slight changes to this "method", all i know is that with as it is now, it is just a fancy wizard tool, nothing to be considered serious. plus my socs best MF user, Mya quitted cause of she thought MA fucked up with her =\

Mya i still miss u
 
Putting ME into the TT would remove the need for Force Nexus and Sweat (Oh darn, that means whiney noobs cant get free money....lol), so I dunno if MA will do it, but i think its a good idea..... ME = Ammo for MF users
 
I am not agree with the initial post.
MF is something luxury and if you don't wanna spend money on it, you can easy do something else. Like run instead of using tp-chip.

ME will not be more expensive then the buyers pay for it and if it is sold in TT, it will ruin some of the economy aspect of this game. We need to avoid stuff to be sold in TT.

/Kjetil :cool:
 
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Kjetil said:
I am not agree with the initial post.
MF is something luxury and if you don't wanna spend money on it, you can easy do something else. Like run instead of using tp-chip.

ME will not be more expensive then the buyers pay for it and if it is sold in TT, it will ruin some of the economy aspect of this game. We need to avoid stuff to be sold in TT.

/Kjetil :cool:
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Absolutely right - MF is currently a luxury and ME shouldn't be in TT - it would ruin the economy!

Could MA perhaps increase the maximum skill level at which you can sweat - and reduce the decay on MF items. ME would go down in price and MF would reduce in cost - become a viable option not a luxury.
 
P-J said:
Absolutely right - MF is currently a luxury and ME shouldn't be in TT - it would ruin the economy!
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how would it ruin the economy?
 
Putting ME in tt is a bad idea. I could agree that ME should be sold in the same way as ammo -from other players. If it's too expensive take a paus with it and let the prices drop. Might be hard but could work. The high prices can only be blaimed on the users,..
 
Well .... When going on Ameth ... It's clearly impossible to run from a location to another ... TP chip is much than needed there and MA knows that, that's even the reason they putted so little amount of TPs when there is twice that number on eudoria which is 4 times smaller ...

MA will never put ME in TT, but they can make mobs droping 50 sweat at a time .. Noobs and especially resellers are making to much money on this, imagine the price of sweat is 3 times the price of nexus that is mined from depositing players !!! That cannot continue ...
 
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we all miss her nea... well, at least i do :(

as for the thread...
heres a CRAAAZY idea:
stick ME in tt, take away sweating, AND take away the infamous yellow lettering-- 'this creature carried no loot'.
that way, n00bs can STILL get their feet under them, and were all happy!

*Zasz killed Mindark with Adjusted Improved Modified Common Sense and claimed loot worth a corporation thats already making superfluous profits!*

ok... maybe not any time soon (never)... but still, its worth the daydream.

still... despite all the things we all MISS about the old days...
tp and wormhole chips kick ass...
i think that in about 6 months, the whole beauty system might actually BE something...
PE is making more profits than ever, which means theyre.... ok, maybe theyre NOT putting it into PE like they could...
actually, thats all the positive stuff i can think of :D
someone help me out here!!
 
Zhorgul said:
Well .... When going on Ameth ... It's clearly impossible to run from a location to another ... TP chip is much than needed there and MA knows that, that's even the reason they putted so little amount of TPs when there is twice that number on eudoria which is 4 times smaller ...

MA will never put ME in TT, but they can make mobs droping 50 sweat at a time .. Noobs and especially resellers are making to much money on this, imagine the price of sweat is 3 times the price of nexus that is mined from depositing players !!! That cannot continue ...
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i ran all my tps on amethera o_O
 
Kjetil said:
I am not agree with the initial post.
MF is something luxury and if you don't wanna spend money on it, you can easy do something else. Like run instead of using tp-chip.

ME will not be more expensive then the buyers pay for it and if it is sold in TT, it will ruin some of the economy aspect of this game. We need to avoid stuff to be sold in TT.

/Kjetil :cool:
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It is not a luxury - shadow armor is a luxury. MF is a SKILL !!!!! maybe if they open ammo to manufacture and let them craft it with an item that can only be gained by a few...you may feel different. When you pay more for your fun because someone else can make a buck off you...then yea..we'll see who wants the changes. Maybe when you're paying 56 peds per 1000 rounds of ammo. and one of your weapons use 100 plus rounds per use. Maybe then you'll be more inclined to agree.

I get so tired of hearing "It'll ruin the economy" speal. NO IT WILL NOT. The economy will adjust, just like every other change that has happened.


Edit: At the very least...they could eliminate the sweat cap..I would be willing to sweat for my fun, and I'd still need nexus, which I currently mine anyway.

Az
 
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Im not using any mindforce because the exreme mindforce price. Around 48 pec for a lesser teleport no thanks MA !

The idea that newcommer can get some free peds to test PE is great but the marked is totally undersupplyed with sweat. Its defenitive a luxory good, maybe it was ever meant to be one.
 
The solution is to raise the sweat cap to adjust for the skilling change, and to allow trapped animals to give sweat without dying.

MA will not do this, because it will mean the noobs can get even more for free, and will be able to play for longer without depositing.

Maybe instead of raising the cap, they can just allow the mobs to give more sweat per pull.
 
As a previous member stated - SWEAT Should DROP IN Mob LOOTS - .

MA win, more people use ME equals more decay for them..

Players win, cheaper ME, removes current monopoly on ME causing 3pec+/sweat...

Hunters win, they can get more variety in loot and increased value of loot. (sweat worth 0(~)pec TT a bottle, but has market value Should be about .3 to .6pec)

Miners win. As more ME is used, demand increases for Force Nexus, increasing price to 1.5+

This is a brainless win for MA. Who loses? some newbs who dont want to deposit? and this affects who?
 
Maybe it would be better to also put some alternatives to MF.
Then less ppl will use MF and MF will be "luxory" only.

I mean that we can get vehicles for transportation with lesser cost then MF.
We can have other forms for revival with lesser cost then MF but with some more work then it is with MF. Same with other actions that MF does today.

/Kjetil :cool:
 
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Kjetil said:
Maybe it would be better to also put some alternatives to MF.
Then less ppl will use MF and MF will be "luxory" only.

I mean that we can get vehicles for transportation with lesser cost then MF.
We can have other forms for revival with lesser cost then MF but with some more work then it is with MF. Same with ohter actions that MF does today.

/Kjetil :cool:
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I'm having a hard time understanding why you want to make my form of fun insignificant? .. I'm not forced to use MF...I'm also not forced to hunt(melee or ranged)...I'm not forced to Mine (enmatter or minerals)...I'm not forced to Craft(clothes, weapons, armor, tools, or attachments)...These are all options currently in game...why make one considerably more expensive than the other? If you dont like MF...Dont use it. Why is you choice of fun more important than mine?

Az
 
Azrael said:
I'm having a hard time understanding why you want to make my form of fun insignificant? .. I'm not forced to use MF...I'm also not forced to hunt(melee or ranged)...I'm not forced to Mine (enmatter or minerals)...I'm not forced to Craft(clothes, weapons, armor, tools, or attachments)...These are all options currently in game...why make one considerably more expensive than the other? If you dont like MF...Dont use it. Why is you choice of fun more important than mine?

Az
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With alternatives, demand would go down and therefore prices for MF would also go down. This is something that would happen in an active economy.
If stuff start to sell for TT only, we will be more near to a video-game.
I think it would be more fun for everyone with more alternatives. With more alternatives, game and the economy would be even more complex.
As you say, nobody is forced to do anything ingame, but if something start to be popular, prices allways rise.

I am interested in hearling all opinions of this. Of course I can be wrong. :D

/Kjetil :cool:
 
Azrael said:
I'm having a hard time understanding why you want to make my form of fun insignificant? .. I'm not forced to use MF...I'm also not forced to hunt(melee or ranged)...I'm not forced to Mine (enmatter or minerals)...I'm not forced to Craft(clothes, weapons, armor, tools, or attachments)...These are all options currently in game...why make one considerably more expensive than the other? If you dont like MF...Dont use it. Why is you choice of fun more important than mine?

Az
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I think he ment it as MF could be a luxury-thing :) Just like using highly uneconomical weapons, but with a killer dmg/sec is luxury.

But anyway I think MA should give MF more weapons other then fire and nerve, enough wepons to not place a whole "group" under luxury but have it just like weapons.. some economical and some luxury..
It should be alot more weapon, weapontypes, and also that "lasso" that Mudkicker brought up in his thread.

err dunno if I made any sense.
Im going to bed now... :zzz:
 
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There's a simple possibibilty to remove the sweat cap without making MA loose out on the newcomers. Lets say that there is a cap when you have no skills and that you need a certain skill level in other disciplines like Taming, hunting to be able to sweat again .... that way only depositers could sweat again ... up to yet another level and so on ...
 
Azrael said:
I'm having a hard time understanding why you want to make my form of fun insignificant? .. I'm not forced to use MF...I'm also not forced to hunt(melee or ranged)...I'm not forced to Mine (enmatter or minerals)...I'm not forced to Craft(clothes, weapons, armor, tools, or attachments)...These are all options currently in game...why make one considerably more expensive than the other? If you dont like MF...Dont use it. Why is you choice of fun more important than mine?

Az
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This made no sence to me at all :confused:

I completely agree with Kjetil in this thread. MF is a luxury because there is cheaper alternatives out there. Instead of teleporting, you can run. Instead of healing, you can fap. Instead of firestorm, use a gun.

It's ALWAYS the buyers that set the price. As long as there are players who will pay 500% for ME thats what the price will be (and some will always try to raise it). If none buys the price will go down, but that is an old discussion ;)

Sunlee
 
Wanda -you asked why putting it in tt would ruin the economy.

I think the economy is a bit like a pyramid – with the players who want to deposit large amounts at the top and the people who don’t (because they can’t or won’t) deposit at the bottom. The wider the bottom of the pyramid the higher the prices for low value and basic crafted items – which means that that players can get more back from crafting items – sell items they looted and then buy more ammo/ materials etc.

In order to support a large base of new players you have to keep players who can’t deposit interested in the game – sweating and dung gathering are key ways in which this happens (I recon). If you put sweat into the tt or loot then you lose this lubricant within the economy.


So – my view is change the cap on sweating – bring back trapping for sweat- and allow more people to sweat and use the Pec’s to play (lets face it most of us are addicted to the game and are more interested in playing than trying to become millionaires through PE).

This could mean you can sell items that you loot – rather than tt them :) .

ME would then drop in price and allow us all to enjoy MF (so everyone wins) :) .

Hey and wouldn't it be fun if MF wasn't a luxury item? :cheer:
 
I think there are two very easy solutions to this issue, one of them will do:

(1)

Make every no-looter have 1-5 bottles of Sweat instead of nothing at all.
Discussed very often already, tt-value is 0 pec, which means it's not worth anything basically - it doesn't even remove any money from the loot pool if there's anything like that. And along with this, leave the sweating as it is with the caps and everything ... noobs can still sweat a little, since they don't have any weapons to kill anything and get sweat of the non-looting mobs and maybe sell it for a little, or get a Jester or an Axe with it ... (and there's still fruit and dung as well for them).

(2)

Remove the sweat cap alltogether and make sweating available forever ... this means that I can either go get some sweat myself to refine with the Nexus I mined ... or if I'm lazy I can hire someone to sweat for me (i.e. a noob) and pay him some money for his work and the sweat. This would be just like with the skills and chips - you can either do the hunting yourself and skill, or you can be lazy and just buy skills from others who did the work.


Myself, I don't know which solution I would favour at the moment,... I guess I would be fine with both ... because either way, the problem is solved :)
 
Put sweat in the TT for 0.25 PEC/bottle.

With this amount, mindforce weapons would become nearly as effienct as laser weapons.
 
thoreau said:
Put sweat in the TT for 0.25 PEC/bottle.

With this amount, mindforce weapons would become nearly as effienct as laser weapons.
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I don't agree - make it more abundant in the game - let players sweat for longer and players who can't deposit can fall back on sweating when need to. Then the price will fall and fall to a point where it may make MF a viable option. Putting it in the TT (or loots) is the easy option that would damage the economy.
 
thoreau said:
Put sweat in the TT for 0.25 PEC/bottle.

With this amount, mindforce weapons would become nearly as effienct as laser weapons.
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That would increase demand for Nexus dramatically, which would just raise the price of Nexus, and MF would still be way more expensive than other weapons. (Though probably a bit cheaper than now)
 
thoreau said:
Put sweat in the TT for 0.25 PEC/bottle.

With this amount, mindforce weapons would become nearly as effienct as laser weapons.
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If you put sweat in TT for 0.25 PEC/bottle, ME price would then be 1.25 PEC total TT value. (minimum price some more since it cost in decay to refine it)
Why not put force nexus in TT also then?
Or better, put ME in TT for 1.30 pec.

By the way, why not put MF chips in TT also?
When we are in same mood, why not put everything in TT?

Oh, btw, why not remove the real money and let us deposit 29.95 USD a month and we recieve 300 000 000 "Ingame Gold" at the beginning of each month so we could buy everything what we wanted?
Mod FAP, Shadow, Eon, plates, evil amp, etc.

Then it is time to introduce PE as a PlayStation game. :D

/Kjetil :cool:
 
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