$15.00 a month?

[exsolvo]

first of all, stop calling people liars with no proof at all, please!

furthermore ... you ARE doing somthing wrong ... as do many others it seems, because i hear "20% return, omgomgomg" way too often. 20% return is somewhat im-pos-sible, i don't even get that on scips and i am wayyyyy too noobish for those.

Thank you for the post and graphs, but for the first part of your post, yes, the part of calling people liars might be over the top, but thats what it feels like with the postees that almost make it seem like its impossible to lose in EU, as my post states, ive tried every trick in the book (although i know, i dont have the full book, but just the pages handed out on the forums/ingame), and those pages alone dont work.

As for your hunts, im glad you had a good time during those specific hunts, but ive tried that very setup, and it did not work for me in the long run, had a few successfull hunts where i didnt lose much, then lost more, and more, and more, and the "loot cycle" didnt bob back up before losses of a few k were noted and i dismiss the theory as a hoax, this is true for ALL the guides i have followed, they seem to work for a very short timespan, but if used extensively, or in conjunction with other mobs, the "magic" dissapears.

 

[LostCube]

Entropia Universe

I have been a member of this game and forum (i guess, don't really remember joining) since 2005. I enjoy this game because you can do whatever you wish. If you want to run around and check out some of the cool locations, BAM! go ahead free. If you want to sweat, BAM! go ahead free. Now not me. I wanted to hunt. I have deposited since my first week because I wanted to kill stuff. Sure the loot was a little different back then, with the PEDs in the loot window and all and maybe the loot percentage was a hair higher...... but it is basically the same.

In my years playing I have never looted anything that great... I built my character to kill argo's (used to loot esi's and a103/4's) at twin peaks and so I did. Once in a while globalling. I never really sat down and tried to figure the game out because I had no problem depositing. In all I have deposited over $500 (recently got my free gold card) in the past few months were $200 of that, I took a long time off on vacation and forgot about the game a little bit before my last deposit streak. But now I am stuck with not being able to deposit anymore due to RL stuff (opened my own business) and I am currently seeing how far I can stretch my few remaining PEDs and 2 years of things I have accumulated in storage (Apr. TT value 1500 ped) So far I have sold a bp for 250ped and wasted it all on hunting... I really have to give up hunting ATM for this plan to be viable I think. I started to mine, and try to figure out where to mine because I am not a miner, I think I just passed level 3 on surveyor and propector. But I have turned 50ped (plus 20 from selling something) that I had from my last hunting trip into 360 ped after 3 or 4 trips. So it's all a matter of what you do.

I am currently on a bad run and down to about 200 Ped after I upgraded my finder. But I am going to be trying to play this game for free now just to see how far I can get. And I see it as 2 possible outcomes, I sell everything and the peds whittle away. or I maintain a steady balance of profit/losses and I continue to play for a long time to come. (Hopefully I hit something nice to fund a few hunting trips with new armor)

This game is Eons ahead of some MMO IMO. It actually has something that feels like purpose, you can craft something that people want and not everyone can make. You can mine for things that people will use. It is not a redundent cycle of doing the same thing as everyone else to end up with the same "uber" weapon as everyone else (I played WoW for a 10 day free trial once, I played pretty heavy but after the 10 days I wasn't left wanting more because I don't want to have the same set up as 1000's of other players so I can go on that same quest to get the same "loot")

Sure somedays you are left wishing that you could get an ATH and maybe your day will come but it's a game and entertaining when it's all over anyway, if you just want gambling and a chance to win $10,000 with no concern for the entertainment value go play the slots at a casino. I know I have spent 10 times this there and I have nothing to show (sometimes I wish I deposited $500 instead of a night at the casino)

$500 / $15 = 33 deposits or 2.75 years and I am working on 4 years... Easy $15 a month but you may put more at once and then none for a while to get set up the way you want

 

[Yirrk]

...this is true for ALL the guides i have followed, they seem to work for a very short timespan, but if used extensively, or in conjunction with other mobs, the "magic" dissapears.

It's entirely possible that's the "dynamic" part -- maybe the game's set up in a way that specifically identifies and disrupts a prolonged success rate, so you are constantly having to shift tactics and start back at square one all the time. Just my opinon, I'm no software virtuoso by any means.

But since it's MA we're talking about, yeah I'd totally believe they'd do that.

 

[Eluqqa]

For all those complaining about the 'noob HoFs"...

They aren't more likely than uber HoFs. In fact, I'm fairly sure ubers HoF and ATH more. It's just that there are a lot more newbies than there are ubers, so it might look like every other guy gets an ATH out of an exarosaur. They actually don't.

As for saving money, I suggest not playing it like a slot machine.

 

[Tekkie]

1. For all those complaining about the 'noob HoFs"...

They aren't more likely than uber HoFs. In fact, I'm fairly sure ubers HoF and ATH more. It's just that there are a lot more newbies than there are ubers, so it might look like every other guy gets an ATH out of an exarosaur. They actually don't.

2. As for saving money, I suggest not playing it like a slot machine.

1. I agree in total for the first part, but in a rce its impossible to take out more as a whole community than to put in, so who pays for the Atrox young 20k'ers...... exactly, there is a very good chance the players who get these hofs have already lost that 20k ped.... I am not moaning about the "noob HOFs" im simply stating that to pay for it it has to be lost in the first place by somebody, and as you correctly say there are more noobs than ubers. Don't forget this is about playing for $15 a month.

$15 a month.... thats about 133 months to cover a 20k hof before ma take thier cut for hosting and developing the game... lets even it out and be very generous...call it 10 years worth of deposits (although its probably closer to 20 years) maybe being so "dynamic" isn't such a great idea after-all

2. Considering you seem positive towards the Atrox young/mature HOF's I think you telling people not to play like its a gamble is rather sill y of you as you obviously havent done any maths to back up your thinking. If I didnt know better I would call a mob thats easy enough to kill that can loot anything between 1-20k ped quite a big gamble...... wouldn't you?

 

[saintvio]

How are they lying? They are asking us to let them know what we think about the $15 a month issue. They will form a conclusion based on those replies, many of which say yes, you can play for $15 a day. If their marketing is incompetent and shameful what made you listen to it?
The player base is bigger, the game is bigger, most of us like it.... how is that "utterly destroyed"?
I can't stand people getting irate about stuff they obviously made up out of their own mind, sulking because things aren't going their way. Grow up or go play WoW.

Hurrikane

seems to me you werent always this big a fanboi....what changed?


(btw if you dont think youre a fanoi now check the line where you told someone to go to wow)

 

[Hurrikane]

seems to me you werent always this big a fanboi....what changed?


(btw if you dont think youre a fanoi now check the line where you told someone to go to wow)

Define Fanboi. Someone happy to play EU? lol that's me then. I've always liked the game, and I respond to stuff on the forum that says stuff I don't agree with about it. I don't like it when people state stuff they've made up, as a fact, and encourage others to think the same. I'm not sure how you remember me but I'm pretty much unchanged. I ain't always in a good mood.
I can't sympathise with most of the whines and complaints I see because the things they complain about don't happen to me, and mostly don't seem to happen at all. After nearly 4 years still see no big problems with EU/FPC. Can't get offended getting called a fanboi as that must mean I enjoy my time online and you don't?

Hurrikane

 

[Igorl]

During my time of heavy mining efforts* (bac then while markup was OK and u couldnt get 50 NRF in a rown on planet) - MA rake was around $500 / mo in TT value.

I didnt have to deposit because markup and trading compensated for this...
But still - someone actually paid my 500$ bill.

I.

* ~1000 PED / day cycled, no amp

 

[Mr Trayles]

I think being a RCE most gamers would willingly pay $25 a month for exchange for good entertainment and noticable progression of thier avatar.... plus the chance for a nice hof.

Let's say some would. I certainly wouldn't pay $400 a year for this. And for those that don't possess obese wallets, you might have a hard time getting them to cough up that much, too. But if you are looking for a game that takes $25 from you each month, I am sure that you could find one and play it.

That is not going to bring good feeling or retention from a playerbase. Thats basic stuff! So why do we continue playing a game that is viewed mostly as creating a great avatar but skills seem to not matter that much at all?

Well, some of us enjoy this game. No one's forcing you to play this game. You could move on.

Back to square one MA and for a minute please consider that everybody out there doesn't want the fake lottery loot system that you seem to think we do and that people want to see improvements in results regarding the hard earned skills they have gained to develop an avatar.

There are plenty of posts that indicate that people are hunky dory with the current system. And, of course, most people will find the energy to post negative things then bother to post the good things that they find in a game. So, there are many people quite happy who you never hear from. Of course, many people who dislike the things in a game quit playing it and go find a new one.

Wild loot can only bring short term joy but the downside is massive when (and it has to be in a RCE) the majority of the time your losing your depo's each month. Get a grip, take responcability for your customers enjoyment and cash and get back to basics of what I see as the main point of any massive multi player online game which is surely the avatar and skills attached to that avatar.

Seriously, why are you here? This obviously isn't your game. Find the one that is and try to enjoy it. Why try to change the game that many of us love so that you can be happy. Just find a game that you are happy with and play that!

 

[Tekkie]

Seriously, why are you here? This obviously isn't your game. Find the one that is and try to enjoy it. Why try to change the game that many of us love so that you can be happy. Just find a game that you are happy with and play that!

Im actually saying what I think is best for the game as a whole. Its not my personal opinion from where I am, more from a general point of view. I read your replies and it looks like you arent doing the numbers, 800k+ accounts, 10k (probably max) players in 7 years and you think thats a winning formular That doesn't tell me the current system is that popular, at least not to the average gamer.

Look at the annual report, work the numbers..... it costs way more than $15 per month for the average player to play this game.

Just saying what I think, at least I worked some numbers out before saying it

 

[Mr Trayles]

Im actually saying what I think is best for the game as a whole. Its not my personal opinion from where I am, more from a general point of view. I read your replies and it looks like you arent doing the numbers, 800k+ accounts, 10k (probably max) players in 7 years and you think thats a winning formular That doesn't tell me the current system is that popular, at least not to the average gamer.

Look at the annual report, work the numbers..... it costs way more than $15 per month for the average player to play this game.

Just saying what I think, at least I worked some numbers out before saying it

Ok buddy, it's not that hard to read between your lines...

But I'll respond anyway and say that I wasn't trying to justify the gameplay or the "numbers". What I was trying to point out is that many of us like the game as is. You obviously don't.

You don't like the eggs, don't try to change them into bacon. Just buy the bacon.

 

[Tekkie]

Ok buddy, it's not that hard to read between your lines...

But I'll respond anyway and say that I wasn't trying to justify the gameplay or the "numbers". What I was trying to point out is that many of us like the game as is. You obviously don't.

You don't like the eggs, don't try to change them into bacon. Just buy the bacon.

OMG, what I was pointing out is the fact that so many others didn't..... and as this is a thread about $15 a month to play just pointed out that its not reality.

Sorry for having to point out the plain, glaring, obvious out to you.

 

[Mr Trayles]

OMG, what I was pointing out is the fact that so many others didn't..... and as this is a thread about $15 a month to play just pointed out that its not reality.

Sorry for having to point out the plain, glaring, obvious out to you.

Thanks for pointing out the glaring obvious to me.

Let me try to not be too subtle for you this time.

This game is NOT the most popular game in the world.
It does NOT follow the prescribed methods you have spoken about in this thread.
Should it? NO. If it did, it would be one of those other games. We don't want one of those other games. We want this one. The people who don't want this one, go to other games. Or at least most of them. Some stick around and try to change the game into what they think would be best for the game. From your number oriented point of view, your changes may well be best for the game. However, if that is what you want, then just go play that game!! That game exists! You can go play it now! But if you change this game into that game, then this game doesn't exist. This is the game that I want and that others want. You have the game you want, why try to take this one away? Are you an investor in their stock or something? Do you stand to profit from MA changing their product to suite your desires? If not, then why do you insist that they need to change? So that they can increase the player base??

Why on earth are you concerned with their player base? With their numbers? With this game at all?

GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!! Let us enjoy our game as it is! Obvious solution, huh?

 

[Tekkie]

Thanks for pointing out the glaring obvious to me.

Let me try to not be too subtle for you this time.

This game is NOT the most popular game in the world.
It does NOT follow the prescribed methods you have spoken about in this thread.
Should it? NO. If it did, it would be one of those other games. We don't want one of those other games. We want this one. The people who don't want this one, go to other games. Or at least most of them. Some stick around and try to change the game into what they think would be best for the game. From your number oriented point of view, your changes may well be best for the game. However, if that is what you want, then just go play that game!! That game exists! You can go play it now! But if you change this game into that game, then this game doesn't exist. This is the game that I want and that others want. You have the game you want, why try to take this one away? Are you an investor in their stock or something? Do you stand to profit from MA changing their product to suite your desires? If not, then why do you insist that they need to change? So that they can increase the player base??

Why on earth are you concerned with their player base? With their numbers? With this game at all?

GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!! Let us enjoy our game as it is! Obvious solution, huh?

you are one funny dude! Thanks for that responce, it will make the cold winter evenings just fly by whenever I rethink of this moment.

Just a simple question..... why do you see it as such a bad thing that the mass market in online games should want to play and play at a reasonable price? Why would 10 times more players be such a bad thing? I seriously dought you have even thought of this from a business point of view as in MA, or other players point of view, just yours - running around with no green dots. Enjoy your dream!

 

[Mr Trayles]

you are one funny dude! Thanks for that responce, it will make the cold winter evenings just fly by whenever I rethink of this moment.

Disappointed. You usually give some sort of arguement while you are insulting them.

 

[Tekkie]

Disappointed. You usually give some sort of arguement while you are insulting them.

I actually posted an edit before your reply, so no need to be disappointed

 

[Mr Trayles]

I actually posted an edit before your reply, so no need to be disappointed

And added more insults!

I actually already answered those questions, though.

 

[Tekkie]

And added more insults!

I actually already answered those questions, though.

Just a simple question..... why do you see it as such a bad thing that the mass market in online games should want to play and play at a reasonable price? Why would 10 times more players be such a bad thing? I seriously dought you have even thought of this from a business point of view as in MA, or other players point of view, just yours - running around with no green dots. Enjoy your dream!

Where is the insult in that?

 

[Tussi]

Tussi

PS: For real, please get over it - both of you - and go back to the topic.