Question: Where is "Mid Level" now?

[Menace]

When I started 3 years ago I was under the impression that 140-150k skills was about the line that put you into the "mid-level" category. As the game has evolved however it seems that the playerbase is generally more skilled thus bumping up those numbers.

So... where do YOU think the "magic number" is to put a player in the "Mid-Level" category? I realize there are many variables like "eating 300k scanning skills" etc. but I'm talking for a natural skilling player....

Also... at what skill level do you think one becomes unoficially "Uber"?

Menace

 

[Ace Flyster]

I have around 205k skills and consider myself an uber miner lv62 prospector, under midlevel hunter lv53hit, and a noob crafter lv26 is my highest

Overall i think that makes me, probably just under midlevel

But.....uber is usually associated with hunting pro lv and health and evade.

Rgds

Ace

 

[fluske]

yeah,skillcount isnt what makes you uber/midlevel...prostandings/evade and hp is what matters

 

[Alina]

imo 250 hp medium player

 

[Sircus]

imo 250 hp medium player

Then you are have quite a gap between noob and medium? Nothing in between?

 

[Ed Ward]

count how many months the game existed before your avatar, and play until you reach that number, then, you're mid-player exactly?

 

[Quint]

My view on this :

Medium hunter -> unlocked Quickness
Uber hunter -> unlocked Intuition

Medium miner -> unlocked Mineral sense
Uber miner -> maxed vrx3000

Medium crafter -> lvl 25 (maxed on lvl 9 SIB bps)
uber crafter -> lvl 50+

 

[Futurama]

Looking at skill total is total BS... With so many professions now (and more to come - treasure hunting for example), getting 150k or so isn`t that hard really... Someone who has unlocked comando or has 200+ hp would probably be medium...

 

[Theren Strange]

Its pro standing, not skill count that decides your level.

 

[remontoire]

Looking at skill total is total BS... With so many professions now (and more to come - treasure hunting for example), getting 150k or so isn`t that hard really... Someone who has unlocked comando or has 200+ hp would probably be medium...

You seriously want to say that you have to be hardcore hunter for about 5 years to make it to mid level?

 

[The Goat]

I would say commando and 200hp makes you ~mid level in hunting.

 

[Kattfres]

My view on this :

Medium hunter -> unlocked Quickness
Uber hunter -> unlocked Intuition

Medium miner -> unlocked Mineral sense
Uber miner -> maxed vrx3000

Medium crafter -> lvl 25 (maxed on lvl 9 SIB bps)
uber crafter -> lvl 50+

I think you are really hard on the hunters here Its alot easier to reach level 30 in prosp/surv than level 55 in evader/dodger.

 

[MartinXVI]

My pro rank says im "specialist" hit and "veteran" damage, though according to this tread i should be more like "wtfyouarestillafuckingnoob"

 

[Fanan]

imo 250 hp medium player

500 HP for a uber player then?!

 

[Quint]

I think you are really hard on the hunters here Its alot easier to reach level 30 in prosp/surv than level 55 in evader/dodger.

Yeah maybe you are right. But on the other hand, there are much more hunters than miners.

Maybe the unlock of Commando is a better point for the medium hunters, instead of Quickness.

 

[Leaf Arwen]

If you feel like you are midlvl you have some more skilling to do....

/Arwen

 

[Harmony.]

Since this is mostly about hunting...

You are mid-level as soon as you max a h400, you stop being mid-level when you reached level 90 hit&dam. All in between is mid level.

 

[Mordrell]

I consider myself mid level at just over 100k skills (99%hunting related) and 140hp.... I can solo most mobs... and can do naked many of the grind-able low lvl mobs (trox/drone/feff/etc). I think mid level is maxed apis... as this is the most used "mid level" gun.

Uber can solo anything.... dasp stalkers, spider stalkers, warlock gen 10 with ease

 

[Yquem]

An Uber hunter max all weapon.

 

[EMW]

I consider myself mid level at just over 100k skills (99%hunting related) and 140hp.... I can solo most mobs... and can do naked many of the grind-able low lvl mobs (trox/drone/feff/etc). I think mid level is maxed apis... as this is the most used "mid level" gun.

Uber can solo anything.... dasp stalkers, spider stalkers, warlock gen 10 with ease

LOL, anyone who can solo a warlock 10 with ease is not an uber, thats an official ma avatar!

Ps or GOD

 

[Killahbee]

opalo noob
p5a/apis medium
10/10 on unl uber

 

[CrestIV]

For hunting, for me its probably something along those lines.

Noob/Newbie: Up to ~10 in main profession

Low Level: Up to ~35 main profession/ 5-10 Evader/Dodger and 10- 15 Paramedic / ~120 HP

Established Hunter: Up to mid 50s Pro Standing/ ~25 Evader/Dodger and Paramedic / 130-160 HP

Medium Level: 65+ Main Pro Standing/ 35+ Evader/Dodger and Paramedic / 175+ HP

High Level: 75+ Main Pro/ 45+ Evader/Dodger and Paramedic / 200+ HP

Very High/Highest Level: KS unlocked/ Quickness unlocked / Medical Therapy unlocked / 250+ HP

UBER: 110+ Hit and Dmg Pro Standings / Intuition unlocked / Doctor unlocked / 300+ HP

(For Very High/Highest Level and Uber, Paramedic level can be lower, a owner of Imp/Mod Fap might just don't want really high skills there and can still be in one of those groups)

I don't see turning points where you just suddenly switch form one to the next group, especially in the lower groups, might be abit off with the HP too there and the gaps are on purpose.

There have been multiple threads about when you become uber. For me if there are a couple of people with 320+ HP, even if 95% of the player base has less than 200 HP, somebody with 260 HP just isn't uber, he is very high/highest skilled but not uber.

 

[johan roadkill]

LOL, anyone who can solo a warlock 10 with ease is not an uber, thats an official ma avatar!

Ps or GOD

you know your next lvl then!

For hunting, for me its probably something along those lines.

Noob/Newbie: Up to ~10 in main profession

Low Level: Up to ~35 main profession/ 5-10 Evader/Dodger and 10- 15 Paramedic / ~120 HP

even if you havn't done a single mission at lvl 35 in any hunting proffesion you are bound to have atleast more then 10 evade and probably more then 15 paramedic aswell... hp i'd say 120-130

and with missions you are defo higher then that

 

[Kilgore Cain]

Imho

Mid level hunter=150hp unlocked Combat Sense, Wounding, Treatment and Avoidance

High level hunter=200hp unlocked Commando, Killstrike ,Quickness and VivoUR175 maxed

Uber level hunter=250hp 100/100 in several hit/dmg proffesions Intuition unlocked and paramedic level doesnt mather since using imp/mod fap anyway

 

[Xen]

Some of you seem to have no idea how long it takes to get to some hunting levels (naturally).

You can probably count the number of people who got Intuition (without chipping) after the skill curve "nerf" and afk fap/defense skilling no longer worked, who weren't close from before, on one hand.

There are also very few people close to 300 health. Those are the super ubers.

Regular ubers: 250+ health, Commando, Kill Strike, Quickness

imo

 

[CrestIV]

even if you havn't done a single mission at lvl 35 in any hunting proffesion you are bound to have atleast more then 10 evade and probably more then 15 paramedic aswell... hp i'd say 120-130

and with missions you are defo higher then that

You are probably right, it was quite a while ago that i skilled in those skill region (started Jan 2006), although i chipped most of my skills out back to noobdom again.

The reason i took the low numbers, was because now with a decent L progression and since i would advice everybody to use ranged weapons (maxed L SIB of course), you can skill up to 35 main pro standing without getting hit too often and little need to fap if you stick to small/smallish mobs.
Add the option of team hunting in order to kill and skill quicker and i still think defense and paramedic pro standings will be pretty low.

Completely forgot about mission rewards i admit, still you see, i left quite a gap to the next group on purpose, since for me Hunting is about some hard earned experience and state of mind too.

 

[M Rufen Power]

Low Level: Up to ~35 main profession/ 5-10 Evader/Dodger and 10-15 Paramedic/ ~120 HP

Established Hunter: Up to mid 50s Pro Standing/ ~25 Evader/Dodger and Paramedic / 130-160 HP

I'm somewhere inbetween those levels, main pro = lv37, evader 21/dodge 19, paramedic 16, hp 130.

Imho

Mid level hunter=150hp unlocked Combat Sense, Wounding, Treatment and Avoidance

High level hunter=200hp unlocked Commando, Killstrike ,Quickness and VivoUR175 maxed

Uber level hunter=250hp 100/100 in several hit/dmg proffesions Intuition unlocked and paramedic level doesnt mather since using imp/mod fap anyway

I think this is spot on, medium health 150 = medium player, uber player has 250+hp hp turns to tough at 250. High level also spot on. I'm not yet a medium lvl player cause I have none of those things unlocked yet but one day I can hope to be there . To unlock intuition in the game now you have no choice I think but to chip in lots & lots of evade/dodge which is very expensive to do.

Some of you seem to have no idea how long it takes to get to some hunting levels (naturally).

You can probably count the number of people who got Intuition (without chipping) after the skill curve "nerf" and afk fap/defense skilling no longer worked, who weren't close from before, on one hand.

There are also very few people close to 300 health. Those are the super ubers.

Regular ubers: 250+ health, Commando, Kill Strike, Quickness

imo

I would again agree here with Xen, anything above 300 hp and over they are no longer ubers they are infact now super ubers . Very few have 300 hp, very few.

High level hunter=200hp unlocked Commando, Killstrike ,Quickness and VivoUR175 maxed. Regular ubers: 250+ health, Commando, Kill Strike, Quickness

These both have subtle differences. Mainly just the hp. Which means it would be a player who has some commando in him to be both uber and high level hunter.

 

[3-J]

erm... i always thought that it was based purely off of HP. if you scan someone it says "puny, weak, medium, massive, uber" as your HP level. if it says medium or uber there for you, thats what you are... forget everything else

 

[CrestIV]

I'm somewhere inbetween those levels, main pro = lv37, evader 21/dodge 19, paramedic 16, hp 130.

Thx for the info. +rep
Just out of curiosity you think you might get hit too often, hunt mobs above what you should with your dps, or are you using melee/HGs a lot without real ranged tagging?

I think this is spot on, medium health 150 = medium player

Those times are gone.
I think i hit 150 HP back in spring 08 and even back then, most of the active hunters/pkers that would be considered medium had noticeable higher HP.

I would again agree here with Xen, anything above 300 hp and over they are no longer ubers they are infact now super ubers . Very few have 300 hp, very few. These both have subtle differences. Mainly just the hp. Which means it would be a player who has some commando in him to be both uber and high level hunter.

Well lets talk semantics.
I think adding adjectives to uber makes the whole thing way too confusing.
Regular Uber, Uber, Super Uber, Super duper uber, what comes next ?

Uber is within a small margin what the very best/highest skilled got and if you are 15% below, even if you are way ahead of the rest you are just not uber.

I actually made my groups up going from the top down, with the idea in mind that becoming uber by playing is indeed not possible, yet you can achieve High Level with a decent budget and a couple of years and Very High/Highest Level with a big budget and a year or two more, or insane luck for either of those and a somewhat smaller budget. (still need chipping for defense and maybe Paramedic too)

 

[Ludvig|MindArk]

So... where do YOU think the "magic number" is to put a player in the "Mid-Level" category? I realize there are many variables like "eating 300k scanning skills" etc. but I'm talking for a natural skilling player....

Also... at what skill level do you think one becomes unoficially "Uber"?

For me, there is no "overall" uber thingy, because that would be too hard to determine. Instead, I feel there should be different tresholds for different professions based on the average of those using that professions.

But.....uber is usually associated with hunting pro lv and health and evade.

yeah,skillcount isnt what makes you uber/midlevel...prostandings/evade and hp is what matters

imo 250 hp medium player

erm... i always thought that it was based purely off of HP. if you scan someone it says "puny, weak, medium, massive, uber" as your HP level. if it says medium or uber there for you, thats what you are... forget everything else

Using health as an indications of uberness is extremely "discriminating". A melee user gets health quickly, a gun user fairly quickly, a mindforce user barely at all.

There would have to be different requirements for different professions, but for any type of overall determination of noob-mid-uber I would say Agility is a better measure than Health. Agility can not be chipped in and therefore also requires active participation. However, health and pro standings can be influenced by buying as long as you have a big enough wallet.

However, again, MindForce (yes we know, I am a MF user) does not give as much agility as quick as other hunting professions. Personally I use Psyche as the first measure and Average prof. levels as second measure when determining MindForce noob-mid-pro-uber-whatever. There are not that many high level MindForce users, and therefore the treshold for being uber in MindForce is to me lower than the treshold for being uber in regular combat like pistol or rifle.

Simply put; Your position on the noob-to-uber scale is determined by the average.