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Hey Lif3, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

I sincerely hate you since your undeserved mining ATh and I am disturbed that given your lunatic behaviour you still broke even.

Hope your internet connections faints or smth.

But I can say a few things:

a) you have a solid problem with tt/markup/math relation
b) EU is for fun, eventually a bit of profit, not for living off it. You and your kind brought EU to the sour soup it is today.
 
Lif3bring3r said:
...I have wasted 7 last months of my life, for no gain except some skills, which are worth less and less each day. And I'm ashamed of myself. With so much determination and ambition I have, I should have pursued a real life career, and not play this game.
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So... you were attempting to make a RL living doing this for the past 7 months?

If you "only" broke even, how the heck did you, ummm... pay bills?
 
First of all, shooting 1 million peds worth of fresco means you pay 30-40k peds in land owner taxes alone (don't know the exact tax there or your tt return). If you're right around break even and want a little boost to put you in profit you should look for high markup mobs in non-taxed areas.

Looking at your gallery uploads I guess you're using x1+dante as main hunting weapon? You can't expect major profit with a setup available to the majority of the playerbase.

1 million peds worth of damage inflicted with maxed x1+dante at current markup costs ~860k peds with maxed imk2+a204. An uber hunter with uber evade and uber fap will also have significantly less armor and fap decay. Not to mention the extra range of a weapon like imk2 compared to x1. I don't know what level evader you are or what fap you use, but let's say you spend 100-200ped more in armor and fap decay per day. That's another 20-40k peds extra cost you have compared to an uber hunter since the start of SGA, for a total of 160k at the very least.

The best skilled, geared and dedicated hunters will have the biggest profits. Dedication alone helps many people stay at break even, but won't lead to huge profits.
Try imk2 or mm at level 100 hit/dmg level 80 evader and imp/mod fap and see what your results are like. If that's not an option you will have to lower your expectations a bit.
 
Good words stoikow.

With imk2+204 on non taxed LA you would have gotten 200k more back :laugh:
 
Obviously the OP is discussing hunting, but mining needs balancing too. And I'd imagine crafting does too. The whole game does.

I just wasted like 4 or 5 OA109's today and got 1 hit. For 112 PED. Of lyst.

Not the first time I've lost that much in such a short period of time.

Woot! :yay:
 
mjukis said:
First of all, shooting 1 million peds worth of fresco means you pay 30-40k peds in land owner taxes alone (don't know the exact tax there or your tt return). If you're right around break even and want a little boost to put you in profit you should look for high markup mobs in non-taxed areas.

Looking at your gallery uploads I guess you're using x1+dante as main hunting weapon? You can't expect major profit with a setup available to the majority of the playerbase.

1 million peds worth of damage inflicted with maxed x1+dante at current markup costs ~860k peds with maxed imk2+a204. An uber hunter with uber evade and uber fap will also have significantly less armor and fap decay. Not to mention the extra range of a weapon like imk2 compared to x1. I don't know what level evader you are or what fap you use, but let's say you spend 100-200ped more in armor and fap decay per day. That's another 20-40k peds extra cost you have compared to an uber hunter since the start of SGA, for a total of 160k at the very least.

The best skilled, geared and dedicated hunters will have the biggest profits. Dedication alone helps many people stay at break even, but won't lead to huge profits.
Try imk2 or mm at level 100 hit/dmg level 80 evader and imp/mod fap and see what your results are like. If that's not an option you will have to lower your expectations a bit.
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There we go.
Totally agree, +rep.
 
This is a game. Other than investing in land areas, there is no reason to expect to make a living off of this game. If you play well enough, which it seems you have, you can break even. But you should never expect better than that.
 
I'm sure this has been posted already, but yes, you have been unbelievably lucky, but you just can't see it. You claim not to have gotten a big loot, yet have earned it, but in the same breath, say that the SGA parts don't count.

Even breaking even is a huge accomplishment. I don't even keep track anymore, I just assume that I'm losing.
 
mjukis said:
First of all, shooting 1 million peds worth of fresco means you pay 30-40k peds in land owner taxes alone (don't know the exact tax there or your tt return). If you're right around break even and want a little boost to put you in profit you should look for high markup mobs in non-taxed areas.

Looking at your gallery uploads I guess you're using x1+dante as main hunting weapon? You can't expect major profit with a setup available to the majority of the playerbase.

1 million peds worth of damage inflicted with maxed x1+dante at current markup costs ~860k peds with maxed imk2+a204. An uber hunter with uber evade and uber fap will also have significantly less armor and fap decay. Not to mention the extra range of a weapon like imk2 compared to x1. I don't know what level evader you are or what fap you use, but let's say you spend 100-200ped more in armor and fap decay per day. That's another 20-40k peds extra cost you have compared to an uber hunter since the start of SGA, for a total of 160k at the very least.

The best skilled, geared and dedicated hunters will have the biggest profits. Dedication alone helps many people stay at break even, but won't lead to huge profits.
Try imk2 or mm at level 100 hit/dmg level 80 evader and imp/mod fap and see what your results are like. If that's not an option you will have to lower your expectations a bit.
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Alot of very good points there +rep
 
I dont want to even tell you how lucky you are to have broke even.

You say you want to make money playing. Guess what buddy. The only way to do that is through trade, and investment. but seems the only thing you profited on is skills. and that is a investment based profit. but you should think of not playing the risk and playing from others risky behaviors. Buy items and hold them for resale. make money that way.
 
mjukis said:
Try imk2 or mm at level 100 hit/dmg level 80 evader and imp/mod fap and see what your results are like. If that's not an option you will have to lower your expectations a bit.
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But now your talking stupid amounts of money with super risk attached at devaluation in the blink oif an eye where-as that same money can earn you 10 times the amount the number 1 hunter in Entropia could possibly earn if they played 24/7 with only 16/6 effort.

eg. A coffee & sandwich shop, take away shop etc.

Yielding no less than 40k usd net profit upto 100k usd net profit with ease.

Hell you could run a fully furnished & stocked computer store on half the amount your talking in USD with minimal devaluation risk assessment attached and pay the rent 2+ yrs in advance.

You can not make a comparison in this regard that is sensible on the equipment and skill requirement you have listed above.

Just some food for thought before going ape over giving such advise that can be perceived as sensible.

Most of us were not here from day one to buy such items for 200 - 1000 USD each. ;) Nor auto-fap avoid skills up so high - Yes, plenty have told the story of how they x, y, z in the early days.

If these items were worth this amount today it would be a different story, however at todays prices Lifebringer would yield exactly the same results but have the equipment with HUGE! risk of devaluation attached eventually paid for.

What is the worth in that ? It's just another form of gambling with the value of the tools of the trade long term.

Sadly this is the limiting factor for MA which holds them back in growing their business to lure hard working participants. A bottleneck if you will, limited to only a select few.

Something that will become more apparent in time as competition takes off who have addressed such bottlenecks in business potential in their longer term business strategy.

I guess this is hard to explain to someone and for them to understand who is the "got this equipment already boat"
 
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Which is basically my point. There aren't a lot of people out there that would make a risky investment of tens of thousands of dollars to make a living from a computer game. If it's not worth it to him he needs to lower his expectations because MA can't afford to pay everyone to play. Which would be the case if significant profit was possible with his current hunting setup.
In retrospect it would've been a very good idea for him to get an imk2 and whatever extra skills he needs to use it properly 7 months ago. Would've cost him ~250-300k and saved him 140k. Another 7 months and he'd have his investment back regardless of what happens to the market value of the gun and skills.
 
subscribing ! ;)
i like the title lol
 
mjukis said:
Which is basically my point. There aren't a lot of people out there that would make a risky investment of tens of thousands of dollars to make a living from a computer game. If it's not worth it to him he needs to lower his expectations because MA can't afford to pay everyone to play. Which would be the case if significant profit was possible with his current hunting setup.
In retrospect it would've been a very good idea for him to get an imk2 and whatever extra skills he needs to use it properly 7 months ago. Would've cost him ~250-300k and saved him 140k. Another 7 months and he'd have his investment back regardless of what happens to the market value of the gun and skills.
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This I agree with and yes, he needs to see the game as entertainment although he has done a fantastic job in breaking even rather than costing thousands of USD to play, the acquired skill being his earnings/bonus for time & effort spent.

So your right in that regard :)

You did very well thus far Lifebringer for playing a computer game without massive investment.
 
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I don't know if i completely agree with you but there is a reason i have my level 70 hit dreams on hold and have been a level 53 pistoler for a year :laugh:

hope it turns around for you.

btw i like your point on how global chat is just that an illusion. people always assume geez that guy is doing great he has wham bam zam a zillion globals. the truth is in the sells after mu.

kosmos
 
Lavawalker said:
But now your talking stupid amounts of money with super risk attached at devaluation in the blink oif an eye where-as that same money can earn you 10 times the amount the number 1 hunter in Entropia could possibly earn if they played 24/7 with only 16/6 effort.

eg. A coffee & sandwich shop, take away shop etc.

Yielding no less than 40k usd net profit upto 100k usd net profit with ease.

Hell you could run a fully furnished & stocked computer store on half the amount your talking in USD with minimal devaluation risk assessment attached and pay the rent 2+ yrs in advance.

You can not make a comparison in this regard that is sensible on the equipment and skill requirement you have listed above.

Just some food for thought before going ape over giving such advise that can be perceived as sensible.

Most of us were not here from day one to buy such items for 200 - 1000 USD each. ;) Nor auto-fap avoid skills up so high - Yes, plenty have told the story of how they x, y, z in the early days.

If these items were worth this amount today it would be a different story, however at todays prices Lifebringer would yield exactly the same results but have the equipment with HUGE! risk of devaluation attached eventually paid for.

What is the worth in that ? It's just another form of gambling with the value of the tools of the trade long term.

Sadly this is the limiting factor for MA which holds them back in growing their business to lure hard working participants. A bottleneck if you will, limited to only a select few.

Something that will become more apparent in time as competition takes off who have addressed such bottlenecks in business potential in their longer term business strategy.

I guess this is hard to explain to someone and for them to understand who is the "got this equipment already boat"
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lolz at 16/6 effort the top hunter puts in my gf's father owns a chain of road house's from brisbane to mackay and the amount of hours he puts in is not 16/6 effort a top hunter puts in i will garentee you that and he only works at one store. you make it sound like there is 0 risk investing in a A coffee & sandwich shop, take away shop etc but i assure u there always is and i think you know this already
 
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I won't bother rehashing what others have said so well, especially stoikow. But on a side note, claiming urself to be the top hunter... I happen to know u have a 2nd person shooting ur mobs simultaneously out of team often. So i would by no means call that all you. I'm guessing we're going by your tracker stats?

Using standard gear as everyone can, L gear at that and u not only expect to b ahead, but demand it?
 
Here's a good start:

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:D

It was only a matter of time...
 
To OP, if you want sure profit i guess u started off wrongly...

Imo you can associate player activities into two types.

A) Doesnt involve game mechanics (sure profit if u want to spend the time/investment...)
1) Piloting (ofc its boring etc...)
2) LA with unique DNA (hopefully DNA remains unique)
3) Imp/mod fapping for a fee
4) Trading (buy huge amount at low % and sell small amount at higher %)

B) Involving game mechanics
1) Hunting
2) Mining
3) Crafting

For B, its more on cranking markup loot over TT. Eco does help in savings(not profit) but return still largely depends on system. You cannot control exactly what you loot meaning no matter how eco u are u are still relying on loot system. Just my 2 cents.
 
mike jones said:
lolz at 16/6 effort the top hunter puts in my gf's father owns a chain of road house's from brisbane to mackay and the amount of hours he puts in is not 16/6 effort a top hunter puts in i will garentee you that and he only works at one store. you make it sound like there is 0 risk investing in a A coffee & sandwich shop, take away shop etc but i assure u there always is and i think you know this already
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Did you read my post ? Or are you drinking Irish whiskey again ?

The point being you can setup a shop IRL 1 shop and earn a lot more putting in 16/6 a week with very little risk than you could as the top hunter in EU for 24/7 effort and huge attached risk.

And no I don't make it sound like there is 0 risk with a RL job investment,
However there is little risk "in comparison" to Entropia.

35k aussie got my father a shop in his retirement completely stocked (30k shelf stock) he turned over 1/4 mil each year for 5 years making more than 200% minimum per collectable item, some upto 1000%, 80-90% of the stock items were ordered from distribution chains.

That is a small example of what a small shop can offer, an easy income 9-5 + some home hours earning more than 100k per year, 16/6 per week tops.

It sadly ended when his health deteriorated.

Besides the point, a RL investment has much lower risk and far greater earning potential and that was the point being made.

Entropia should only be seen as business if your mentally geared enough to put a huge amount of money at extraordinary high risk. Other than that it is mere entertainment and breaking even is a fantastic result.
 
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fluske said:
apparently ill have to withdraw my remark about being the only 1 at mylevel without an 10k loot :)
shit...8.4 and 2.9tt loot as highest,thats really really bad..ill shut up now :p
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To add myself to this list:
I have 7.3, not that much lower then 7.6, from which about 0.2 chipped to reach commando faster.
Never a higher tt loot then 2386 ped. And that was in 2005 FFS!! In 7+ years time that is!

Just had to speak this out as well...
 
Exactly Mjukis, this is the perfect case study as to why uber gear is 'uber'. You'd have made a lot of money with it.
 
Lif3bring3r said:
I did some calcs on my hunting returns. 252k ped burnt last month on fresco, 830 ped loss (after markup). Over 1 million ped burnt since the CE2 implementation, and the balance is round ZERO, after markup.
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All I can say is what JWT states in a press release.

Entropia Universe boasts a high ARPU (average revenue per user) and points the way to a profitable turn key solution for entry into the 3D Internet via revenue share, for organizations which have been impacted by the shifting media landscape. Planet Calypso, the first planet in Entropia Universe, has been online since 2003, became profitable in 2004 and had an economic turnover of 422M USD in 2009. Entropia Universe is a virtual universe for entertainment, social interaction and e-commerce. It is available for free without subscription fees.
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It is balanced, for themselves and their partners. We are just the cows to be milked.

I'm sure they'll send you a nice thank you card for your contributions. NOT!
 
my 2 pecs

You must have not done much casino gambling.... Just because I roll in there with money to play at the 20$ craps table doesn't mean I will make more than someone playing 25 cent slots. I do understand your frustration and I sent you EFD to show respect. I get bitchy and whiny after I depo what I consider a lot and don't see anything big pop up. I often wonder why I play or why I spend as much as I do on ONE computer game. I know I do because I have fun, I like the people in the game, I want the challenge of getting better (even if it's not worth real money) It's a messed up game sometimes because it's so linked to money. I see avatars like yourself get globals all the time and it took me some time of playing to understand that those people aren't necessarly making money because of how much they are putting in. People who have money that I know of..... Neverdie... and Deathifier.... the only way I see they did it was on HUGE personal investments into land and developments. If you could put tons of money into ammo and guns and make a lot... I would think Neverdie or people like him would still be playing. I don't know, talk to Star or Stryker... I often wonder about how they do.
I feel for you, and I wish you had ur uber or will still get one.

I am reminded of when Neverdie had his first event since they brought back the events on CND.... it was hunting Dasp (and made it pvp zone)
He got a 1k uber and won his own event....
to me that said something.

Also look at the people that get bery, bibo, or daik hofs.... I could camp the crap out of them allll day and I bet my LIFE I will never get a hof. But someone does once a month usually..... who the hell knows
this friggin game!!!:eyecrazy:
 
oh and yea..

my recent discover on getting my first hunting HoF

more money... more problems
 
Lif3bring3r said:
Over 1 million ped burnt ... and the balance is round ZERO, after markup. And there was plenty of markup, ... without which I would suffer heavy losses.
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Of course it is. And you got lucky, some don't have markup items in loot to cover the losses. But that's the not so important part of the message, everyone learns this after a while in EU.

Lif3bring3r said:
So there you go, ... - I have wasted 7 last months of my life, for no gain except some skills, which are worth less and less each day. And I'm ashamed of myself. With so much determination and ambition I have, I should have pursued a real life career, and not play this game.
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I hear ya, I've also wasted months of my life in this game, because like you i thought i had enough determination to find something worthwhile in this game. However that last part was just a pr lie from MindArk apparantly, only a few chosen ones get enough 'luck' to make it worthwhile. Sure there's a fun part and it don't hurt to loose a few $ in this game, but the time invested (and the rl consequences) hurt if there's no 'payout'. I shouldn't have been so naieve to believe them i guess. As you say, it's rigged gambling with the little time we have, and that is unforgivable, they steel our time by lying to us that we have a chance, but we're not even on the list. Since they cannot give me back my time, i expect at least some virtual items to make up for it.
 
I still find it hard to believe that people think that everyone can come here and get rich. How would that work exactly? This isn't the US mint just printing money for everyone.

Blame MA, if you really feel like there was some declaration of riches being handed out, but stop fooling yourself.
 
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