At how big a loot would you stop bitching about how bad the loot is?+

[Mr Trayles]

Never complained before.

It's funny. There are people that look up my tracker info and come to the conclusion that I don't know how to play. But then they come on and complain about the loot because they are like 5, 10, 100k in the hole.

I am about even after years of having fun.

Of course, if I threw away thousands, I would probably complain, too. But to whom exactly would the fault lie?

 

[Staffas]

And no, average returns are not the same as two or three years ago. ATHs were less frequent and loot was more evenly spread, ask many people and they will agree.

MA claimes that when they introduced (L) items the max loot size was raised. So this is not just a feeling, it is a fact.

I never complain about loot, atleast not here

There are many reasons for it, one might be that I always had ok returns 90%ish. With the amount of hours that I log it adds up anyway, but that is my choise to play so much (I guess).

But as most people in this thread say, I would rather have a better return % than 1 big loot.

 

[Latinangel1000]

I believe everyone has the right to whine and bitch, is a given, specially with old timers, that remember when loot was a lot better that todays EU.

Besides, many of this argument are totally off topic, the thread ask how big of a loot would you stop bitching about how bad the lot is, i dont think it ask, why i should stop bitching?

so my answer to this thread question is 50K or better, that more that covers my deposits and give me some extra money to keep going for another year at least without depositing.

 

[SunnyS]

Loot is ok, tests showed that is always around 80-90% TT value of what you put in on the long run!

Who is doing these tests and where are you getting these figures mate lol

... I can guarantee you if they were correct I would have a few 100k peds by now lol

 

[Dorsai]

I think the problem with loot is because everyone is trying to be as "economic" as possible, and get the most dmg for the least pec.

The best way to do this seems to use (L) weapons.

L Weapons on average seem to have slightly higher decay and slightly lower ammo burn.

SO instead of using 11 pecs ammo and 1 pec decay to get 12 damage you use 10 pec ammo and 2 pec decay to get 13 damage. Looks good on paper, you are more economical.
The truth is that you are only putting 10 pec into the loot pool instead of 11, so the returns are lower overall: at 11 pecs ammo (non-L), the average loot was 11 pecs a mob, now it's only 10 (as everyone is L).

Ammo is recycled as loot, decay is MA's income.... What people should do is use the weapon with the lowest decay, so ensure that as much goes back into the loot system.

or to put it another way, people are spending less in ammo to kill more mobs, and spending more in decay. If the mob costs less ammo to kill, it will loot less.

SO (L) weapons would be great, if they were the exception to the rule, and rare, but as they are now the rule, and common, they are actually ruining the economy as they are acting as "money sinks" into MA's profits.

believe me or not, but I used to do well mining, then (L) amps game along, and it went into a nose dive in a matter of months.
Many/most-of the miners are spending money on decay (on amps) leaving less peds left to find as resources. Instead of a 200 bomb run, it a 100 bomb run, with 100 peds amp decay, so finds are now half what they used to be...I quit mining.

(L) is a tax, and MA are the tax-man.

 

[Meg]

I like my game with a good whine.

There is no more superstitious crowd than gambling addicts
'break avatar loot cycle'
'personal loot pool'
'break for an hour after someone had a big loot'
'I see it as an investment'

etc.

The whine also fits right in with the casino patina accreted since -06. Ruined a nice game.

 

[Yirrk]

I'll stop bitching when I feel I'm getting value for money from my deposits.

I do deposit, and I expect to pay for my fun. Paying isn't an issue. But right now that fun seems to be too expensive, given the poor returns that I'm seeing personally.

This.

 

[WoenK]

Who is doing these tests and where are you getting these figures mate lol

... I can guarantee you if they were correct I would have a few 100k peds by now lol

They are correct when one records the hunts and does not hunt above ones level. Also there are several logs that confirm it.

 

[JoseMTacoral]

Ofcourse not but you also don't see on the front of Ceasers Palace a big sign saying 'The house always wins in the long run' but thats exactly how it is there.

If someone was to go and blow their pay check at the Casino,movies,paintball,Mcdonalds or whatever who do they have to blame for that?

My point was unless MA says 'we guarantee you will win xxx amount' then no one can complain.If they did and it didn't happen then there would be a reason to bitch.

I agree with you, but Mindark says all the time: "get paid for killing mobs", "no fees" and "make your living with stones, fruits and sweating." People start playing EU believing that this statement is always true, but we know it is highly unlikely to do so. Ergo: novices leave the game not because it is not fun but because they realize it is expensive or, in the case of living off the fruit, stones and sweating, bored.

 

[Matho]

I think the problem with loot is because everyone is trying to be as "economic" as possible, and get the most dmg for the least pec.

The best way to do this seems to use (L) weapons.

L Weapons on average seem to have slightly higher decay and slightly lower ammo burn.

SO instead of using 11 pecs ammo and 1 pec decay to get 12 damage you use 10 pec ammo and 2 pec decay to get 13 damage. Looks good on paper, you are more economical.
The truth is that you are only putting 10 pec into the loot pool instead of 11, so the returns are lower overall: at 11 pecs ammo (non-L), the average loot was 11 pecs a mob, now it's only 10 (as everyone is L).

Ammo is recycled as loot, decay is MA's income.... What people should do is use the weapon with the lowest decay, so ensure that as much goes back into the loot system.

or to put it another way, people are spending less in ammo to kill more mobs, and spending more in decay. If the mob costs less ammo to kill, it will loot less.

SO (L) weapons would be great, if they were the exception to the rule, and rare, but as they are now the rule, and common, they are actually ruining the economy as they are acting as "money sinks" into MA's profits.

believe me or not, but I used to do well mining, then (L) amps game along, and it went into a nose dive in a matter of months.
Many/most-of the miners are spending money on decay (on amps) leaving less peds left to find as resources. Instead of a 200 bomb run, it a 100 bomb run, with 100 peds amp decay, so finds are now half what they used to be...I quit mining.

(L) is a tax, and MA are the tax-man.

This is probably best explanation why loot gets lower and lower (and where are all that money we put inside "dissapearing")I ever red on this forum.

 

[Superhal]

Who is doing these tests and where are you getting these figures mate lol

... I can guarantee you if they were correct I would have a few 100k peds by now lol

Pretty much all logs confirm it, I haven't seen a log that wasn't 80-95%.

Personally, I think you'll see it if you grab an opalo, go nude, no amp, and do some chirpies or soemthing. I think I got a perfect 95% doing that. On bigger mobs, I've found that the amp/gun/armor decay + loot usually = 95%.

I think it's easiest to see when you are crafting, since decay doesn't get in the way.

 

[Atraie]

believe me or not, but I used to do well mining, then (L) amps game along, and it went into a nose dive in a matter of months.
Many/most-of the miners are spending money on decay (on amps) leaving less peds left to find as resources. Instead of a 200 bomb run, it a 100 bomb run, with 100 peds amp decay, so finds are now half what they used to be...I quit mining.

My logs disagree with the above, at least in the area of amps. Doesn't matter if i go with amps or not, mining or hunting, my long term tt return is the same either way. They either work completely like ammo, or close enough that it doesn't seem to matter. Markup however is not returned to you, but markup is paid to another player not MA, so it would make no sense for MA to return it in a loot window.

As for the rest, the jury is still out in one way or another. Or i don't have enough logged data to be certain either way. I lack the will to set up long duration(20,000+ loot events) controlled high decay tests to find out the answer.

 

[Frigid]

Dunno, but it would have to be big. I am not one to let one good day make me forget hundreds of bad ones or endure a hundred more. There was a time when I could play for a long time on a small depo, but not now.

Honestly, I wouldn't bitch at all if I had a chance to break even once in a while, but I lose my ass all the time now. I take breaks and do test hunts. The whole game is just a swirly hole where my peds go now.

Yeah, yeah...I tried all the "tricks", but nothing helps. The only way I can come close to breaking even is NOT playing! I must just have a bad algorithm on my account. Oh well. I'll sell out and go back to playing poker at the REAL casino: I can play longer and win more often.

 

[Casay]

It's not a matter of how 'big' ... it's a matter of getting back a fair amount per hunt. I never expect to profit every time nor do I expect to have 60%-70% ++ losses EVER!!

"Balancing manager?" pffffttt Seems to only balances taking all loots and putting into huge ath's anymore. Most of us do terrible while a lucky few hit the 'big one'. I personally think it's been messed up since VU 9.0.

 

[Brilliam Mason]

well the 4k tower I got shut m up for a while. I still have not gotten anywhere near back what I have put into this game. I do however think that it is a fun game as most do or we would not play it. We bitch about it cause its our God given right to bitch.

 

[Superhal]

I personally think it's been messed up since VU 9.0.

Sigh, I started in the last two months of VU 8.

 

[Aydonis]

Off Topic:

Read this thread last night and forgot who posted this, but someone said all items are over tt value at auction... even if that increase is only very small, like 104%. This isn't true.

Look up basic filters... i got 2k of em, and the listed MU has been 100.00% for a few days now.

I'd seen another item where the MU was actually below the TT value... it was listed at 99% MU lol

If I come across the item again I'll post what it is.

It's Emik S30 (L) - MU 99.56%

On Topic:

Life would be incredibly boring if I had nothing to bitch about. No ammount of money can buy away my bitchiness. I carry my unhappiness with pride and try whenever I can to share it with others that look like they don't have enough to bitch about. There's something seriously wrong with happy people that never bitch about anything... they can't be trusted.

 

[NightwolfAA2k5]

I'd stop bitching about how bad the loot is if I could withdraw the exact same amount I put in to date, Now we both now that in my case that ain't going to happen any time soon...

 

[Jorak]

whatever the value of the biggest ATH is rearranged so the digits are in descending order starting from 9


yes this is meant to be a joke

 

[Superhal]

I'm rather surprised how everybody is so profit-oriented.


If you depo $100 a month for 2 years (2400, or 24k ped), wouldn't you be satisfied if you hit a 10k uber?

 

[SunnyS]

I'm rather surprised how everybody is so profit-oriented.

If you depo $100 a month for 2 years (2400, or 24k ped), wouldn't you be satisfied if you hit a 10k uber?

You just answered your own question mate lol

$100 a month doesn't get you anywhere, or atleast anywhere exciting in this game .... yes people WOULD be happy after 2 years of 100/month if they get a 10k uber... but that's not the case... people are bleeding money doesn't matter what they do...

.... and please dont give me 'it's their fault', because it's the whingers and losers whose money is paying for all the ATHs... if you are lucky enough to break even or even make profit ..good on you.

So, to all the people who ARE making money stop blaming people who are losing money for bitching because if you are clever enough you would know indirectly it's the losers money that the winners get... MA isn't paying the loot out of their own pockets.

And as a community, if we want this game to be one of them where we can take pride in our community for god sake have some compassion if someone wants to vent their concern about losing hard earned money.

Let me ask you a question... would you still play if the RCE was cancelled?

Would you complain, if you went to an expensive restaurant and the food came out and it tasted like crap and was burnt... or would you just say it was your own fault you came to an expensive restaurant and could have gone for a 2 dollar meal, then the loss wouldn't be as great ?

"REAL MONEY" changes everything!

 

[Superhal]

My case is different...I depo'd and lost 60k in about 10 weeks, so I feel like I deserve a big one. (Since then, I've lost another 10k, or 70k total.) Even if they give me a 50k ath, i'm going to be bitter.

I've had a steady stream of 1k-2k hofs, but that's no where near enough to stop my bitching.

 

[Moonbiter]

My case is different...I depo'd and lost 60k in about 10 weeks, so I feel like I deserve a big one.

I've had a steady stream of 1k-2k hofs, but that's no where near enough to stop my bitching.

Nothing would stop your bitching. Even after ATH you would waste in next few months and be at square one again. You need a change of attitude.

 

[aia]

- Wormhole chip
- Tango
- Potent firestorm chip

... then I would stop complaining. (A resurrection chip would be nice but I don't hunt SEGs that much.)

I'm after fun items, not a jackpot. If I wanted a jackpot I would buy an IRL lottery ticket.

 

[Pepto]

Let me ask you a question... would you still play if the RCE was cancelled?

In a word? Yes

 

[Parlog]

a 100k ped ath would come in handy! 100k ped aths for all!

 

[JingyiDai]

ahh if get loot regulary -> everyone would stop .. but wel.. lol where is loot?
at some point doesnt matter how big it is... if there is just one.

 

[Superhal]

Nothing would stop your bitching. Even after ATH you would waste in next few months and be at square one again. You need a change of attitude.

I think you are the one that needs a change in attitude. I noticed, if you didn't, that you don't have "moderator" next to your name. In that case, you have no right to criticize what other people are saying based on rules you made up yourself.

In other words, fuck off and if you don't like what I'm saying, don't post in my threads. Make a new one, label it "player disputes" and I can ignore it.

ps. Yes, I know who you are, I've seen your tracker, and I've even said "hi" to you in game. That doesn't excuse you from being a jerk on a public board.

 

[GoNi]

$100 a month doesn't get you anywhere, or atleast anywhere exciting in this game .... yes people WOULD be happy after 2 years of 100/month if they get a 10k uber... but that's not the case... people are bleeding money doesn't matter what they do...

I spent less and do fine!
I could spent more if I want, but don´t need to do so!
Its just a matter how you approach to the game, and setting a limit what you are willing to spent is definately a good step.

For me its just an entertainment.
I like to compare it with billiard (another hobby of me).
I pay ~10$ for an hour billiard at my favorite pub.

When I deposit 10$ into EU I can easyly play for more hours and have still some sellable loot left at the end.
Compared to billiard the 10$ are definately lost after an hour, those 10$ into EU maybe cut by some PED but there is still something left!

Let me ask you a question... would you still play if the RCE was cancelled?

No, the RCE is the reason why I joined EU. If it won´t be that RCE and the open skill system, I would prefer a game with a fixed monthly fee!
Well got banned from several of those games due to ebaysales of goods I got there.
Thats the big advantage of the RCE! If you like to sell something for hard currency RL, it is no problem, just withdraw!

I love EU, and I am definately not a gambling addict.
EU is one of my hobbys and it is definately not the most expencive one!

 

[Carl]

Ahem.......



i never ever moan about my loot now.......ever