Info: Confirmation that loot sucks 2010

[Hugh Willose]

Spinage is right, you should not include markup when calculating if MA is giving you a fair return.

You should also look at separate figures with and without armor/fap decay.

Also, did you post what weapon(s) you are using primarily?

1. MA isn't giving a fair return.

2. Why ?

3. I use a multitude of weapons

 

[LostCube]

Thats the whole point in this thread, this is whats happening to most players from the messages i recieve.
I have said numerous times that i am happy to pay for my entertainment, but +$5 per hour, every hour for the last 260 hours is a bit ridiculous, it didnt used to be this way.

It didn't used to be MindArk and FPC ... they were one. Now they both need their cut to pay for everything they "do" for the game... At least until some of the other planets come online then maybe MindArk's share will go down a little... or they will just be filthy rich. Could go either way...

 

[Hugh Willose]

February Hunting Log Update

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/general-economy-discussion/178955-hughs-hunting-log-2010-a.html#post2330273

 

[Lorespade]

You know what really helps me out in determining if MA is being way to greedy?

Well Any Decay on my gear i receive, i dont count. I only Count ammo burn.

Yeah i know i am not gonna break even. but i just dont count decay. If i count decay costs, well i have lost a whole bunch.

Guys that have been in the game a long time. i am pretty sure you know the rules on profiting in this game. that is Trading brings in the money.

If your the person dealing in the Mark-ups, odds are you might just make money.

Hunting, mining, and Crafting for TT value, will always put you at a loss. These professions are to create items for smart players to trade with.

Now one thing i dont see to often is depositing players making deposits just to trade, "There might be a few" but i just dont see it. For the most part the only people that Deposit to craft accept the mark-ups, the traders that dont deposit make the mark-ups. Some smart Crafters however make the mark-up with demand. ~~Rant~~

Now As Far as loot sucking, I can agree it does, but only to a point. The new teir items pretty much drop for hunters only, this market has been destroyed by lack of faith in the system and excessive cost due to failure and the instability of the falling prices,

This Market however When 1st implimented was a boon to anyone hunting at this time. So we got the new teir loot and we sold it to people for high prices, and we profited as hunters. But we refused to buy into the system we sold into. exploiting the traders offering the high buying prices. Well thats ironic that that would happen, but when we refused to buy the stuff we sold them, the market built up. and prices dropped. Sure MA adjusted the droprates for blazers, but it seems to be a good move on their part, becouse blazers are the real cost of most enhancer items.

moral of the story,

MA tried to offer us an extra market to add to the loot we receive, and this market added is alot to do with Mark-up based profits, over TT value.



Now Why am I talking about The Enhancer market in a Loot Sucks thread?

Simple. The Enhancer market relied on the players to catch the mark-ups and stablize. and the other players to sell those items for the increase mark-up, And for those same players to later rebuy those items sold to upgrade certain items.

Loot Sucks, but the economics are also a little shotty too. Is this a failure by MA? Yes. they should have given more information on how the system works. Is it Player failure? Yes. The players should have known that MA does not like giving information on game dynamics to the player, so the smart players can figure it out, and reap the rewards.

Ever wonder why i teir'ed up an SGA opalo and pixie? I followed the money trail. Low level mobs dropped low level teir items, I worked to short sell the market all the way down to this current point. now the market is too low to profit on. Now i can Buy the best SIB weapon for my level and skill up again.

To all those players hunting higher level things when the teir I componet market was 1000% and blazers were .50 per. you failed. imo. You have to go through the lowest level items 1st before useing the higher level items.

Same with crafting enhancers. You had to grind out the 1st 4 BP's to find the unknown BP's.


Now also one major hit is also the houseing market. Alot of players keep dropping out thinking MA is just a bunch of theives, I love MA. they are so straghtforward. "We take the decay" "Not All the Decay" and we support MA in this for the most part, most of us do not mind that they take the decay. they need their fair share too. But the housing market, if people do not deposit in order to buy a home, they wont be buying furnature, for the homes. A good portion of the hunter loot deals in luxury items ranging from Furnature, to clothing.

Mining on the other hand Deals with weapons, armor, and High Mark-up Socialist backbone items. (Nexus, Sweatstuff, Growth Molicules)
Now Good mobs to hunt that have the highest amount of known globals are the mobs that have ties to Mining materials. Robots, Argosnauts, (all i know so far).

This game is fine how it is. the losses Blow ass at times, but if your here for fun feed the economy, if your here for money, Trade. Or craft wisely.

I know the differnce. but i still like the profession aspect of hunting and mining. In the long run of hunting and mining your crafting skill will go up. Crafting and trading can bring you profit in the long run. Not all Crafting, but smart crafting with trading.


Hey Hugh, i like your spreadsheet, but if you could modify it to show the Returns from the hunt minus the decay factors, along with the decay factors i could make a little more sense of it. unless i completely missed it.

And To all that survived my Ranting. Good Loots to you all! Luck still is in the loot factor!

 

[Hugh Willose]

March Update

Big improvements this month

click on the link below

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/general-economy-discussion/178955-hughs-hunting-log-2010-a.html#post2288383

 

[Hugh Willose]

April Update to Hunting Log

 

[Novacula]

the overall loot/payback can't be more bad then actual !

thats what i always thought, everytime i came back to this game . . .

 

[BigBertha]

Less ppl depo =====>> less profit for MA =====>> and Less profit for ppl ingame

 

[valentin]

Less ppl depo =====>> less profit for MA =====>> and Less profit for ppl ingame

So way dont MA try to get more players to the game when we know all how copanys usually do when they make a drive to get more ppl to become custumers there.

 

[Nobleone]

So why dont MA try to get more players to the game when we know all how copanys usually do when they make a drive to get more ppl to become custumers there.:

Because that would be a logical and sensible progressive business decision and we ALL know that MA/FPC don't think like any 'normal' business... They believe they are 'so special' that normal business practice does not concern them.

 

[Konvicted]

Loot definitely sucks! I am the proof you can be a loser in this game, hunting/mining same shit i am losing, camping a mob, go haaard and watch people get the loot on their first kill, yes i am a witness of this bullshit, worse a mob i started, left to re-up, i'm fucking tired of this crap loot, my middle finger up to MA thats how much anger i have towards you greedy bastard, you can ban me at this point i don't give a fuck thats how deep you pushed me, take my time and money thats pretty much all you did, no fucking entertainement and i also wish any newcomers would be warned on what to expect from this universe!

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Loot definitely sucks! I am the proof you can be a loser in this game, hunting/mining same shit i am losing, camping a mob, go haaard and watch people get the loot on their first kill, yes i am a witness of this bullshit, worse a mob i started, left to re-up, i'm fucking tired of this crap loot, my middle finger up to MA thats how much anger i have towards you greedy bastard, you can ban me at this point i don't give a fuck thats how deep you pushed me, take my time and money thats pretty much all you did, no fucking entertainement and i also wish any newcomers would be warned on what to expect from this universe!

+rep



I agree with you, it seems to get worse in this universe ....

 

[Mikass]

Loot definitely sucks! I am the proof you can be a loser in this game, hunting/mining same shit i am losing, camping a mob, go haaard and watch people get the loot on their first kill, yes i am a witness of this bullshit, worse a mob i started, left to re-up, i'm fucking tired of this crap loot, my middle finger up to MA thats how much anger i have towards you greedy bastard, you can ban me at this point i don't give a fuck thats how deep you pushed me, take my time and money thats pretty much all you did, no fucking entertainement and i also wish any newcomers would be warned on what to expect from this universe!

You`ve been here for how many years now? What kept you in if there`s no entertainment. Certainly no one forced your hand. You also provide imp/mod fap services for quite some time now. I think that makes you money, doesn`t it?

 

[Goliat33]

Loot definitely sucks! I am the proof you can be a loser in this game, hunting/mining same shit i am losing, camping a mob, go haaard and watch people get the loot on their first kill, yes i am a witness of this bullshit, worse a mob i started, left to re-up, i'm fucking tired of this crap loot, my middle finger up to MA thats how much anger i have towards you greedy bastard, you can ban me at this point i don't give a fuck thats how deep you pushed me, take my time and money thats pretty much all you did, no fucking entertainement and i also wish any newcomers would be warned on what to expect from this universe!

Agree m8....Can i get that spliff pls.

 

[ermik]

why is it that many of the whiners have 1 or a couple big hits in the past? , hits that most of us would only dream of having?

cheers

ermik

 

[~CHOPPER~]

Actually,
So far this month I've been getting ~90% returns.

First time for everything eh

 

[Manix6]

why is it that many of the whiners have 1 or a couple big hits in the past? , hits that most of us would only dream of having?

cheers

ermik

Its because those people who have had those big hits seem to think they deserve constant / more uberloots and cant understand when they get the same returns as everyone else. You often find at the start of every loot whining thread has something like:

"after i hit my tower", "Its been a month since my ath", blablabla you get the point.

Atleast the people who consistently get bad returns (normal returns?) dont feel the need to whine constantly, i know for a fact that in 5+ years of play i have hit 4 loots over 1k, 1k zinc, and 3 crafting hof, 1500, 2500, 2400 i think. However they were all very well paid for by me, zinc was 109 amped, and the crafting hofs were at prof level 25ish on a high tt bp anyway,

I just wish that people wouldn't moan when they have had such luck as it really does rub it in everyone elses faces who isnt that lucky

 

[pipeboy]

pretty funny how losers post proof that they are losing... but the winners never show proof that they are winning consistantly they just like to talk about it ...lets see these winning logs or some screenies of these consistant withdrawals.....and why don't they just start dropping limited use high end weapons and faps..like mod merc that has a 30 day timer on and it disappears after 30 days are over, after seal is broken on it ,so we can all have some fun and use tools while not hurting market to bad. they could have .01 tt for all i care.. not cost Ma anything and would encourage alot of hunting during the use time and would prolly have hella high MU

 

[~CHOPPER~]

... but the winners never show proof that they are winning consistantly they just like to talk about it ..

That pretty much sums up the average Entropia fanboi

 

[ermik]

pretty funny how losers post proof that they are losing... but the winners never show proof that they are winning consistantly they just like to talk about it ...lets see these winning logs or some screenies of these consistant withdrawals.....

browse auction , check and see that alot of names come back over and over again on the pages selling L weapons / armor with nice mu.

also check the auction for low % mu stuff like animal oils / hides / wools and ignore the common reseller names , the names left on your list should be quite the same as the list of names from the first check ( guns and armors )

by not ttíng your loot , and hunt mobs that reguarly drop markup L items , may increase your chances to come close to break even , or even profit.

constant profit while engaging in hunting/mining/crafting is hard , and requires alot of work and commitment.

cheers

ermik

 

[Tubbs]

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[ermik]

whats the point of L MM and Modfaps? , the reason they are the greatest aint the dps ( MM ) , its the combo of dps and eco.

if you want to feel what it would be like to use one just get a high tier x1 + dante .....

cheers

ermik

 

[BigBertha]

pretty funny how losers post proof that they are losing... but the winners never show proof that they are winning consistantly they just like to talk about it ...lets see these winning logs or some screenies of these consistant withdrawals.....and why don't they just start dropping limited use high end weapons and faps..like mod merc that has a 30 day timer on and it disappears after 30 days are over, after seal is broken on it ,so we can all have some fun and use tools while not hurting market to bad. they could have .01 tt for all i care.. not cost Ma anything and would encourage alot of hunting during the use time and would prolly have hella high MU

Haha i dont need to proof for anyone that i am losing, but i can tell u its 50/50 for me to get even in a hunt.
I dont complain more than anyone else, but I cant either tell anyone i am a fanboi..

Tbh its my own fkn fault if i depo and spend all the cash in a day, every ped ingame is a lost irl-SEK for me..
If I go to jason and kill bots and lose 30-50ped or more i cant blame anyone else but myself.
And I guess the playerbase would increase if some UL highend (but SIB) guns and even armor could drop, but imo i dont believe that´ll ever happen.

Loot has been bad yeah maybe, but its been like the same for everyone in the past and the future.

What I dont get is all those 70k+ ATH´s dropped tho, better devide it to smaller hof and everyone could be happy.

 

[Infinity01]

have you ever wondered ... less ppl playing = less money being used = less money in the loot pool

so if alot of ppl stop it means lees for those that stays..
alot of ppl still cant play cuz of bad comps and all these posts about bad loots make them not wanna hurry back


so maybe all the complaining and all the missing ppl is part to blame and not completely MA ?


you can -rep me if you want i just think of it this way

I understand your point....but regardless, we've the right to say what we are experiencing....It's MA's and planet partners responsiblity to have content and environment so that people can have fun, and yes whine too when disappointed. Also it is their responsibilty to bring in new players! They won't be able to survive by hiding facts..!

As for me i've both ups and downs..... and overall i'm losing.... However, i'm still having fun out of it....and probably will be playing this "almost" mindless game

BTW, trading may not be mindless

 

[Infinity01]

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And I guess the playerbase would increase if some UL highend (but SIB) guns and even armor could drop, but imo i dont believe that´ll ever happen.

Well, high end UL items are for high end uber players... It's a way for MA to milk the mid level players to benefit the ubers.

 

[pipeboy]

Haha i dont need to proof for anyone that i am losing, but i can tell u its 50/50 for me to get even in a hunt.
I dont complain more than anyone else, but I cant either tell anyone i am a fanboi..

Tbh its my own fkn fault if i depo and spend all the cash in a day, every ped ingame is a lost irl-SEK for me..
If I go to jason and kill bots and lose 30-50ped or more i cant blame anyone else but myself.
And I guess the playerbase would increase if some UL highend (but SIB) guns and even armor could drop, but imo i dont believe that´ll ever happen.

Loot has been bad yeah maybe, but its been like the same for everyone in the past and the future.

What I dont get is all those 70k+ ATH´s dropped tho, better devide it to smaller hof and everyone could be happy.

i guess high end sib L stuff droppin in rt now i think it may add a spark to the game... everyone will get a chance to be uber for awhile..till the gun disapears : )

 

[Dennis blighter]

Casinos in the united states for slot machines are required by law to show return rates. Such as most slot machines are 97-99%.

Any card game with cards or personal experience is at owns risk.

However because killing a monster is like pulling a slot machine it should be required that they give us the best return value when skills and such are best. Because this whole game is a casino besides mining i think they should be required to say the returns.

And i say mining isnt like a slot machine is because you can bomb the same spot and if you dont move you wont get anything, because of this i put it into the card category that is based on your personal skill regardless of the items or skills you have ingame.

But then i believe the game isnt in the usa so this entire statement is invalid.
What do you all think?

I also might add slot machines are 99% return of original total input.

 

[valentin]

Loot definitely sucks! I am the proof you can be a loser in this game, hunting/mining same shit i am losing, camping a mob, go haaard and watch people get the loot on their first kill, yes i am a witness of this bullshit, worse a mob i started, left to re-up, i'm fucking tired of this crap loot, my middle finger up to MA thats how much anger i have towards you greedy bastard, you can ban me at this point i don't give a fuck thats how deep you pushed me, take my time and money thats pretty much all you did, no fucking entertainement and i also wish any newcomers would be warned on what to expect from this universe!

And a + Rep from me for your words.