Event Bug (regarding Molisk Mayhem)

[Killahbee]

Yesterday was the day, my event would finaly start...

I made this an event on molisk because this is a mob almost everyone can kill. So everyone would have equal chance on winning the first prie (unlimited vivo t20 ~2950 ped tt value).

However people start dragging in hogglos and proterons from other Land Area's.
The first prize went to a guy that had a hogglo hof.
Second prize to a proteron and third prize to someone with a molisk global, so he should be the real winner.

I have sent several support cases to MindArk about this bug.. Don't think the weekend support team will be able to fix this so it will probably take while for a reply.... I basicly asked them for a solution. Because of a bug in THEIR the event got fucked up (imo).

I feel really sorry for everyone that participated and did only kill the molisks. This event prooves that its not possible to create an event where everyone has fair chances on a noob-ish mob. Without cheating, bug-abusing.

If I knew it was possible to drag mobs from other LA's to the eventLA I probably would not have created the event on molisk. I was going to do another event on molisk with same prize.... this will not be possible anymore. I feel sorry for the NoobUbers that fucked it up for the people that can't kill hogglo/proteron etc.

For future events MA can easily fix this..
MA could make us select which mobs count. Or only make the mobs that spawn in LA count etc. etc. etc..


Winner of first prize with proteron kill:
Larry Larethania Lrrelito

The only reason to why im not commenting anything or defend my self is beacause no matter what i write or say there is always people that twist and turn around words to make them sound like theyself want to.

i know it was the wrong mob too shoot in that event but since it was possible and it is no cheat or exploit it will be done with or without me and and has been done so many times and will be done again if possible, the only one that can prevent that is MA like so many other safety issues that can be a easy fix.

i have bitched and moaned to MA many times but they simply do not care about many things,

Second prize winner:
Chuck CrazyBuck Buck on proteron
He gave his prize back so he deserves a big +rep IMO

Third prize winner:
Vitus Tus Berg
The one who SHOULD have won the T20

 

[toad]

This happned to me also in a event i had when i owned atrax park, i had lowered the maturity to minimum and max density, people dragged mobs from OLA02 (Medium Atrox) and the winner was a atrox global from a OLA02 atrox, this is soon 2 years ago and i sent supportcase about it, nothing happened and still no fix

 

[Nor Alien]

Very sorry to hear this... This should have been fixed when toad or others who may have sent in a support case!

I would also put this question to Kim when he does his interview. Maybe he can get this sorted faster?!

Secondly, the winners should give back their prizes, as to show good faith!! Doubt it would happen, but worth saying.

 

[toad]

I think this is bug abuse, those winners did for sure come to that event to cheat taking away the fun from others and event organiser by using a bug that give them an advantage over other players.

This case is more extreme than what happened at atrax park for me.

Most of the people joining this event did it to shoot molisk and had gear and/or skills for molisks, not for proteron or hogglo, that makes it very obvious that a few people joined to cheat and should be punished for that, even that i really think the foult is at Mindark and this should never have been possible from the beggining, bad programming and no will to fix the problem!

 

[Dorki]

I was there last night, but I didn't manage to make screenshots, because I wasn't running ET and forgot about it + it kinda took a while for the fact that globals/hofs on mobs not spawned there really count into results to sink in.
Just saying, because you told us to give as much info as we can.

All I can do though is confirm that guy on 3rd place was the only one getting a position in top 3 with a molisk loot. Anyway, after the first cheater globalled on hogglo and moved up in results, I just went mining and hunting some mobs outside the event area. Just returned last 10 or so minutes to kill few more molisks and see if guy who cheated his way to the fap has enough decency to give it to the rightful winner.

Oh, I almost forgot - I though MA fixed this problem in the months after their first f*ckedup event under the new system (was organised by MA directly I think). Lots of us came that day to compete hunting exarosaurs to win some nice UL armor (I think it was arm guards) only to see greedy ubers drag in spiders and win the event.

 

[Deleted member 26456]

had this problem 4 years ago also, when MA oficials made a exarosaur event, i thought as a noob that i stand a chance to win anything, people dragged bigg mobs in and won, after support cases nothing was fixed.
still after 4 years nothing has changed, so i gues MA likes this way of winning.
exactly the reason why i never compete in those event's because of this.

 

[Spawn]

And.. you don't get payed tax from mobs that spawned from other lands do you?

 

[Falagor]

And.. you don't get payed tax from mobs that spawned from other lands do you?

Oh this makes this f***ed up even more...

Event organiser can loose big on prizes and not even get a penny from tax? Thats... sad...

So basicly everyone gets screwed except MA (who gets 10% anyway) and "clever" guys...

Falagor

 

[Coachman]

Only way in this kind of events is to hand over the prices personally.
And make clear that its only the molisks that counts.

I have absolutely no faith in MA that they could solve it.

 

[Futurama]

Well, this mob dragging has happened as long as there has been LAs and event system (at least I remember people doing this in events long, long ago). All you can do is neg rep them within the event system or hand out the big prizes manually w/o the event system.


It's not really a bug, it's more like "something that hasn't been thought through completely". So I doubt your support case will do any good, sadly.

 

[Falagor]

I guess more events will be organised with Entropia Life Tracker now... i think there is option to set LA and mob type there (not sure).
Problem is - the LA needs to have name in global chat and you will have to trust that soft has anti-cheat in build system too and will catch all globals during the event.

Falagor

 

[Viperstrike]

Sorry to hear about this situation Bee,
It is sad to say the least that some had to well ... put lightly cheat to win.

Next time, please hand out prize personally and use EntropiaLife for tracking results.

Cheers,
Viper

 

[Killahbee]

This happned to me also in a event i had when i owned atrax park, i had lowered the maturity to minimum and max density, people dragged mobs from OLA02 (Medium Atrox) and the winner was a atrox global from a OLA02 atrox, this is soon 2 years ago and i sent supportcase about it, nothing happened and still no fix

This was 2 years ago?? That takes away all hope for a fix by MA....

Very sorry to hear this... This should have been fixed when toad or others who may have sent in a support case!

I would also put this question to Kim when he does his interview. Maybe he can get this sorted faster?!

Secondly, the winners should give back their prizes, as to show good faith!! Doubt it would happen, but worth saying.

Yes it should have been fixed long time ago... Yes Kim might have some influence on the case. That would be good. I doubt the winners will give back prizes... yes worth saying indeed!

had this problem 4 years ago also, when MA oficials made a exarosaur event, i thoug ht as a noob that i stand a chance to win anything, people dragged bigg mobs in and won, after support cases nothing was fixed.
still after 4 years nothing has changed, so i gues MA likes this way of winning.
exactly the reason why i never compete in those event's because of this.

4 years ago... It's not that hard for MA to add a mob filter on event system.

And.. you don't get payed tax from mobs that spawned from other lands do you?

Not sure about this..

Only way in this kind of events is to hand over the prices personally.
And make clear that its only the molisks that counts.

I have absolutely no faith in MA that they could solve it.

Yes that would be the way to go but lots of people will still miss it due not being active on forum or tracker.

Sorry to hear about this situation Bee,
It is sad to say the least that some had to well ... put lightly cheat to win.

Next time, please hand out prize personally and use EntropiaLife for tracking results.

Cheers,
Viper

It is indeed very sad =/
Yes next time on a molisk event (if there will be any) I will do this. ~80 people registered on this event. I think it will be impossible to get that many registered people with just using the forum and entropielife.

More idea's for making this event work on molisks is welcome!!

 

[Erastothenes]

If the lack of Molisk was indeed a bug, I apologise for my earlier comments (in the original Event Thread), I was rather upset last night about the whole thing. Let's hope it get sorted, and I wont mind the entry fee if the one that got the highest Molsik loot can get some sort of Consolation Prize!

 

[aridash]

sounds of it, its not even a bug - its just the usual outright shitty system. an event on a LA should only count the mobs on that LA. it must been deliberatly coded that any mob counts in the event (presumably based on co-ords), but not in the tax rake based on mob spawn location (a flag?). put another way, if they can determine that mob A was spawned in location Y to credit tax, they should be using that for the event system too.

 

[beechbum]

Sorry to hear about this - on a side note, I see the 'winner' has since placed the FAP on the auction...
I hope that Mindark will step up and do something, but highly doubt it given the history of similar occurrences and nothing ever being done...

 

[Alina]

Come on Mindark this spawn bug its for 4-5 years already !! Impossible to get it fixed ? I think they just don't care.... i remember was a guy who won an event getting a global on another mob outside land ( event made by MA lol...)

 

[Vitus Berg]

Hi
I think people who did this should be ashamed of what they have done and I know deep down that they're fully aware that this is not ok. Just because something is possible, it is not ok to do it and they know it.

With regard to the availability of Molisk early at the event, this is of course regrettable if there was an error. But it is still equal for all participants to look and find them.
I hope MA will take action against this.
Many had been looking forward to this and a few ruined the whole event.
I hope they are ashamed of it.

/Vitus

 

[Killahbee]

Sorry to hear about this - on a side note, I see the 'winner' has since placed the FAP on the auction...
I hope that Mindark will step up and do something, but highly doubt it given the history of similar occurrences and nothing ever being done...

Bah.. yeah that is the illegal winner of event.

Hi
I think people who did this should be ashamed of what they have done and I know deep down that they're fully aware that this is not ok. Just because something is possible, it is not ok to do it and they know it.

With regard to the availability of Molisk early at the event, this is of course regrettable if there was an error. But it is still equal for all participants to look and find them.
I hope MA will take action against this.
Many had been looking forward to this and a few ruined the whole event.
I hope they are ashamed of it.

/Vitus

They should indeed be ashamed. I agree! This will fuck up all future events on any mobs with big prices unless MA fixes something.

I am looking into different ways to still be able to do events like this.
Something like I hand out the price after event is done. It would involve some trust from playerbase of course but like this people will not be able to scam the system.

 

[Erastothenes]

I think personally handling Prizes might be a good idea. So long as it is an established player who does it, meaning someone who would not risk a valuable avatar in a one-time scam. I for one would not have any problems with the concept.

 

[Killahbee]

I think personally handling Prizes might be a good idea. So long as it is an established player who does it, meaning someone who would not risk a valuable avatar in a one-time scam. I for one would not have any problems with the concept.

Yeah is the best idea to make it work. I'm sure there will be a few people that won't join but i'll give this a try in the near future.

 

[DavinFelth]

what a bunch of BS, shame on those people that did that and It sucks it "worked"
I say boycott buying that T20, boycott all interactions/transactions with those 2 avatars
and I hope they know they are losers in the game of life.

I don't know what else to say, but sorry to the promoter and Land owner.
Sorry that people have to do some low crap like this.

 

[Neil Stockton]

Yes that would be the way to go but lots of people will still miss it due not being active on forum or tracker.


It is indeed very sad =/
Yes next time on a molisk event (if there will be any) I will do this. ~80 people registered on this event. I think it will be impossible to get that many registered people with just using the forum and entropielife.

The participants don't have to run entropiatracker, so that's not a barrier to participation. It's just the forum advertisement that you need to do properly... create the thread and bump it once a day for a week before the event. Maybe more important is to have prizes that everyone in the molisk-hunting category would use (vivo T20, while an awesome prize, might be a little too high level for some of the participants). Even if you do get less people participate when advertising on the forums only, at least you know the cheaters will be off ruining someone else's event instead of yours.

I say boycott buying that T20, boycott all interactions/transactions with those 2 avatars and I hope they know they are losers in the game of life.

He's reading this thread right now... maybe he'll do the right thing.

 

[Falagor]

@Bee:

if you decide to use Entropia Life Tracker as "tool" to host event in future - best way to go would be doing small test event first:
example:
Ticket price: 1.00ped
1st prize: 50ped
2nd prize: 20ped
3rd prize: 10ped
(just an example - not sure how ticket/prize should look like)

This way you will find out what obstacles you may get with hosting events this way and get some feedback on it .
Also participants will have a chance to see how well it may or may not go using this method .

So everybody wins on doign a test run. Of course "if" you decide to use this method.

Falagor

 

[rastamannen]

@Bee:

if you decide to use Entropia Life Tracker as "tool" to host event in future - best way to go would be doing small test event first:
example:
Ticket price: 1.00ped
1st prize: 50ped
2nd prize: 20ped
3rd prize: 10ped
(just an example - not sure how ticket/prize should look like)

This way you will find out what obstacles you may get with hosting events this way and get some feedback on it .
Also participants will have a chance to see how well it may or may not go using this method .

So everybody wins on doign a test run. Of course "if" you decide to use this method.

Falagor

And test event runs fine cuz it aint worth dragging mobs to the LA, when the real event occour they do the same shit again. They could fix this easy by selecting wich mob the event has in setup. So other mobs dont count. MA is so fucking lazy its embarrising. It seems that all people who miss-use the system wins. Why dont we all do that?

 

[Xzion]

Hrmp.

This has to go under EULA
8;C "c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe."

Maybe even, 8.D
" You may not take any action, post/..../offensive, hateful, vulgar, defamatory, libelous, harassing or threatening to another person or organization or otherwise objectionable."
If 8.D seems silly, think about it this way, this is a offensive way of harassing all the participants and the host of the event.

Since, the event was made in such a way that molisk was the mob to be hunted.
Yet, someone made a choise to drag a "dissallowed" mob into the LA and kill it to recive the winning price, thus making all those who had bought tickets and playing by the rules to "not win".

Since this person is solely responsible for hes action made under that account, it can be said that regardless of if it was a misstake or not, they still have to stand guilty for their action towards all the participants, due to the effect of the action.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Falagor]

And test event runs fine cuz it aint worth dragging mobs to the LA, when the real event occour they do the same shit again. They could fix this easy by selecting wich mob the event has in setup. So other mobs dont count. MA is so fucking lazy its embarrising. It seems that all people who miss-use the system wins. Why dont we all do that?

Afaik the Entropia Life Tracker has the option to choose what mobs global count. This + LA name and it should work fine.

I just sugested to do test run using EL before doing bigger event with that method because mayby other unexpected things may happen (i do not know what may happen - thats why i called it unexpected ).

As for this event:

• obviously game mechanics sucks with this.
• obviously MA does not want (or can't ) fix it.
• obviously players who won will not step up and give prizes back.

Nothing more to add here - lesson learned - don't use ingame system for organising big events - mayby this way MA can learn too (and fix it). Nothing else can be done right now imho.

Falagor

 

[Zap]

Event system has worked that same way from day one...

 

[aframo]

Sorry to hear about this.
Can anyone type their full Avatar names here?
And please add it also to the first post with Big sized text.

Hope this 2 guys gets punished In-game/IRL.

 

[Spawn]

Sorry to hear about this.
Can anyone type their full Avatar names here?
And please add it also to the first post with Big sized text.

Hope this 2 guys gets punished In-game/IRL.

it;s not a crime to post the winners of the event.. (Although naming and shaming will be thoroughly done)