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dear nd

we all know in reality is calypso and mindark is the same entity of course planetcalypsoforum should have been renamed to entropia universe forum a long time ago, and a subforum created for planet calypso related discussions
but MA will most likely never admit it and it will not be done

but this where-to-create-forum happy-to-get-feedback talk is just avoiding the issue
* the vote to make you the president was more fake than the ones done in North Korea
* your "idea" of adding yet another fee and deed type (just to name a few, ma taxes, planet partner taxes, la global/tp fees, land deeds, various transaction/equip fees) just increases the cost of the already expensive game
* your only added value is being a quite well known PR clown. if you want to do something to help the game, go and get new players. telling them that in the game you want them to join, you now have to pay for teleportation, is not helping it
 

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This is an awful idea to simply shit can pilots and the existing space system because you want instant gratification. If a person wants to teleport from planet to planet and not move their items with them, I have no problem with interplanetary teleportation. They should not get to bring their items with them, this should be a space haul.
This is a virtual universe and is focused on evolving to further become such, if you want something else perhaps you have come to the wrong game. There are plenty of MMOs you can solo grind on, and there's probably a casino near you if you have an incessant need to gamble.
Sounds like you feel strongly about and might even be invested in "space" and hoping for further development there, its ok.

My point of view is more to have players move easily (for a cost), I think some of the planets would see more activity if the inconvenience of traveling there was removed.
 

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Look, the concept of paying to move to another location in game is not new or unheard of but those other MMOs are not an RCE. They afford enough funds/gold to pay this extra travel costs so as not to effect the game play. If you want to pull money from the people to pay for this effort, you have to get MA to loosen the strings on the purse so that the common man can gain the funds needed. Otherwise, new players will just recognize the game for the money suck it's becoming and never put anything into the economy. Old players will sell out and leave before the crash. and the few that hang on will be left holding the bag when MA boards up the game and you will be the last VR President.

Facebook just posted it's first quarter earning of $5.38 Billion for a platform that is completely free to use. This was generated out of advertisements and video content. This platform is now becoming a more favored than advertisement on Television.

Maybe this is a better way to try and generate revenue in the game instead of trying to suck it out of the players again? We already have all the damn advertisement boards installed on the planet, shouldn't be too hard to plug those wires back in.

And while I'm at it, please remember that this may be a job for you but the vast majority of us treat this for what it is.. A game. No one here wants to log into EU just to have to work a min of 15 hours a week for the man.

This is suppose to be a relaxing diversion and a way to get together with friends for fun times after working our 9-5. Please don't make it just another part time job for us because the majority of EU will just quit. :grumble:
 

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Sounds like you feel strongly about and might even be invested in "space" and hoping for further development there, its ok.

My point of view is more to have players move easily (for a cost), I think some of the planets would see more activity if the inconvenience of traveling there was removed.
I have absolutely zero investment in space besides my quad I use for flying around :). I want more content for us to do and for expansion horizontally of our opportunities on what we can do in this virtual universe. Space is a great direction to head, as since time immortal we have always looked to the sky and gone 'I wish'.
 

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Sounds like you feel strongly about and might even be invested in "space" and hoping for further development there, its ok.

My point of view is more to have players move easily (for a cost), I think some of the planets would see more activity if the inconvenience of traveling there was removed.
The problem is with instant free transportation a mistake made on one planet leads to people instantly destroying the market for that item across the entire game, and people then just sell things on caly leading to infinite amounts of undercutting when auction fees are devastating.
Adding the travel time in this sense helps give stability to each of the planets, though it was primarily defeated when remote auction use was enabled where you could bid from other planets.
 

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dear nd

we all know in reality is calypso and mindark is the same entity of course planetcalypsoforum should have been renamed to entropia universe forum a long time ago, and a subforum created for planet calypso related discussions
but MA will most likely never admit it and it will not be done

but this where-to-create-forum happy-to-get-feedback talk is just avoiding the issue
* the vote to make you the president was more fake than the ones done in North Korea
* your "idea" of adding yet another fee and deed type (just to name a few, ma taxes, planet partner taxes, la global/tp fees, land deeds, various transaction/equip fees) just increases the cost of the already expensive game
* your only added value is being a quite well known PR clown. if you want to do something to help the game, go and get new players. telling them that in the game you want them to join, you now have to pay for teleportation, is not helping it
That saves me having to write another post.
 

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Maybe this is a better way to try and generate revenue in the game instead of trying to suck it out of the players again? We already have all the damn advertisement boards installed on the planet, shouldn't be too hard to plug those wires back in.
well, we all still agree to use Massive Inc. advertising system even though it went under in 2010, lol.


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I fail to see how giving us an appropriate forum for political dissent in the game is a negative in any sense of the word...
Its not giving us a place to discuss that I dislike, however it would be much better if we merge all the different forums in 1 official forum where each planet partner has its sub-forum.
 

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Anyone trying to justify this idea in any way has issues.

Added costs on an already tough game to maintain profit only maintains that we as a whole, cannot profit.

They realize that if we paid TP fees all these years, they could have avoided paying out hundreds of thousands of real dollars.

There is not much more to it, it is not in our interests, it is not to help us out. This is a revenue stream they missed and now want in on it.

They already make a handful of profit on teleports, players paid for many that are on the map, tens of thousands of real dollars worth, and all they had to do was add a model.

I think its a shame that ND would even put his name on it. Good work, you paid $1k to be MA's fall guy for their unpopular ideas, and sadly your revenues will likely be hurt the most as people will end up blaming you, the pawn.

Its saddening to be honest that they would do it to any player....If you don't see how used you were now, maybe you should reflect on that.


As far as the forum, I really don't care...its not like you wanted feedback for the TP idea, before you had all the work done.....the forum will end up just being a place to post similar "awesome" announcements.
 

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I look forward to getting things set up so we can get the democracy into full swing.
I guess a good first step would be to actually post the election results. Of the hundreds of thousands of accounts that MA claims to have, how many actually voted for you?

When will there be an impeachment process created? You can't really claim to represent the player base if they have no means of getting rid of you if they decide you aren't representing their interests.


Please read the press releases and know that I speak from my heart when I say that I want to empower and give value to the players for their time..
Doesn't matter if you are speaking from your heart or your ass, just stop.
 

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Nobody in here earns one PED which has not been deposited by someone else. In that sense, we live on a gold standard. The community as a whole cannot profit from within the game, only increase the circulated volume by pulling in more outside money. Some individuals may profit from redistribution by spending their time and resources differently than others, but by the nature of the system these have to be a minority. All these points are platitudes and I'm beginning to get a puke reflex at the word 'profit' in here. If it's some kind of false advertisement that lured all the wrong people in here, then I'd say we can lose 90% of them and roll back to PE where people actually still joined to play a game and knew it costs a bit to keep the lights on.
 

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It's always tough to see the potential beyond the fact that something is no longer free. I hope we give it a chance. I am actually excited about a little paradigm shift. Wish you the best because your success will be to our benefit.
 

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We sure are a fiesty community.

No tacoing was neccessary.
 
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http://www.presidentofvirtualreality.com/

also, which mental institution created that page?
* the whole thing is a random sequence of hype words that have no meaning when read as a sentence
* reminds me about style of Zaphod Beeblebrox
* the explanation of how the teleport fees would work is just nonsense expanded to 70 paragraphs + some colorful images
* says that Entropia would be paying "the office" a salary... wtf? so this whole teleport business, is I guess there to get the salary going...
 

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http://www.presidentofvirtualreality.com/

also, which mental institution created that page?
* the whole thing is a random sequence of hype words that have no meaning when read as a sentence
* reminds me about style of Zaphod Beeblebrox
* the explanation of how the teleport fees would work is just nonsense expanded to 70 paragraphs + some colorful images
* says that Entropia would be paying "the office" a salary... wtf? so this whole teleport business, is I guess there to get the salary going...
The salary is paid for out of mindark's cut of how it earns income. It was noted in the details of what the potr was.

The teleportation fees are the income source (probably with turnover rakes as well) to pay for the "jobs".

The problem with proposals like these, which tend to be echoed from socialist and communist politicians, is that when you tax something, you get less of it and the decrease of said activity is never accounted for in the projections. This means that few jobs would be created and will likely run off an already shaky player base. It is also not a president's role (or anyone in government for that matter) to directly create jobs. It is the role to ensure the environment is conducive to job creation through less punitive restrictions, ease of business creation, and stability through fair policies.

This proposal tells me mindark isn't listening to the player base when it says that it is having trouble sustaining itself because of.. mainly.. explosives blueprint and a decoupled profession system. It is better for the system to be more of a sandbox that has limitless opportunities so that the players can be creative and spawn businesses that create jobs... space travel, space mining, land area activities, etc. The fate of the game, right now, rests on how they are going to create demand for resources in the game. If they do not do this, the game dies.
 
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There wasn't a salary, MA would cover costs where appropriate such as travel costs to events but it might expand to have one at a later date if the job required it.
 

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I probably missed it somewhere.

Where will these tp fees go? Specifically?

Towards jobs is NOT an answer.

Rgds

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I probably missed it somewhere.

Where will these tp fees go? Specifically?

Towards jobs is NOT an answer.

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i'm guessing in to ND's and Deed owners pockets
 

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* the whole thing is a random sequence of hype words that have no meaning when read as a sentence
* reminds me about style of Zaphod Beeblebrox
* the explanation of how the teleport fees would work is just nonsense expanded to 70 paragraphs + some colorful images
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking while reading this! :laugh:
 

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This proposal tells me mindark isn't listening to the player base when it says that it is having trouble sustaining itself because of.. mainly.. explosives blueprint and a decoupled profession system. It is better for the system to be more of a sandbox that has limitless opportunities so that the players can be creative and spawn businesses that create jobs... space travel, space mining, land area activities, etc. The fate of the game, right now, rests on how they are going to create demand for resources in the game. If they do not do this, the game dies.

:wise: listen to this guy

For sure, a RCE sandbox game doesn't drop the dime directly into the owners pockets (TP fee :scratch2:) but it will keep a more stable, interested and motivated playerbase.

MA & ND it's your turn ;)
 

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I would like to see entropia's in game bugs and game crashes and all the broken missions etc fixed and in working order before moving forward with these grand ideas.
I was at RT a couple of weeks ago and so much of it is bugged and not working, I left to come ARK.
I liked it there as well.
If they can work it in such a way to create new work and boost the economy again then all well and good, but if it's another business proposal for the rich to get richer turn off PC.
I say fix what's broken and incorporate compet into entropia first, I would love to have a pet I could ride around on in entropia and skill it etc and then take it to the tablet to battle other players.
And same for tablet, mobile devices when they can take there pets from that device to PC when they get the chance if u can only afford a mobile phone/tablet. :)
 

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Let's turn Entropia to North Korea simulator instead.
-Only one candidate to vote for president
-Make more ways to rip pennies out of already declining population
-Replace sweating, fruit picking and such with labor camps
-Simulate the <1% internet users by the disappearing playerbase
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What was your name?

Mao Neverdie Jacobs ?

Well at least you act like Mao!

1. That was not a real election - real election has to happen ingame, every participant got one vote (not the case)
2. I give a shit about your so called VR president title, and I will fight against any of your ideas untill we have a real ingame voting for VR president (no matter if your ideas are good or bad), I will be against it.

Stay away from Caly, space and anything else that is not YOUR planet - I don´t bother about what you do with RT, this is your planet. Everybody can choose to go there or stay away, but leave everything else alone.
 

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Although at first site adding fees is cause for alarm, I truly believe in the plan I have put forward as a means to address global issues and bring great opportunity and prosperity to the cirtizens of VR and EU.

Please read the press releases and know that I speak from my heart when I say that I want to empower and give value to the players for their time.
Charging for something that is currently free and distracting the player base form the fee with the "Hopes" of a "wage" is a bait and switch tactic to increase revenues. This is not empowering people, it is hampering and limiting. You can spin it anyway you want but the image that I am seeing is a Police state with armed guards at crossings (teleporters) charging a fee to move along.

Some ideas are good and some are bad. Spit-balling things out is fine, especially to get the feedback of the community, but let the bad ideas go.
 

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Wow, the grafic design of that site looks like he is running for US president. Did he hire Obamas webdesigner?

Lets see if I got it straight.
1. Players need tokens to use TP and which a demand for tokens rises.
2. Tokens are manufactured by other players.
3. Resources are needed to construct tokens and therefore a whole new profession is created ingame.

From the site:
People teleport ingame 10 million times per year, and if a fee would be added for every teleportation it would generate an income of 1 million dollars per year. At the year 2020 it is estimated that people teleport 10 billion times per year and create a profit of 250 million dollars with 316.000 VR jobs created. There are even a projected usage of teleporters at the year 2030 calculated.

This will create thousands of "gamified" jobs across many MMO-games already this year. Profit will create game developer jobs.

This is utter nonsense, Diffrent Game companys dont work together - they are competitors for the players. This system may be applicable to EU but not other platforms. This idea of his isnt good at all.
Neverdie may be the first despot of EU but how many other playerbases know about his existance?
 

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-Only one candidate to vote for president
And who's fault is that no one from the people that criticized/s NeverDie didn't put their money where their mouth was and pay the registration fee?

Anyway...

Personally I think that is a great idea!


I played lots of games without a teleporting system or where this service costed a fee (for example LOTRO, to name one that is a rather big and old name in the industry) and I think is only fair... teleporting is not something we need (everyone could just walk or use personal vehicles to get from point A to point B), but more a convenience (allows us to save time, avoid death risks, etc) and as any convenience/luxury it can easily been charged for.

And if the money generated from people using to pay money to save time would be use to reward people willing to devote time to make money then, by all means necessarily, I stand behind my president and his idea.
 

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And who's fault is that no one from the people that criticized/s NeverDie didn't put their money where their mouth was and pay the registration fee?
You realise 1000$ is a LOT of money for average person?
It's not some pocket chance, sure there woulda been more candidates if it would've been
cheaper to try run to president or needed certain amount of votes from the other players
instead to be able to run for president.
 

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And who's fault is that no one from the people that criticized/s NeverDie didn't put their money where their mouth was and pay the registration fee?
So, just to be clear... your stance is that, not only should we pay money to a game company to be able to play the game, but we are each supposed to throw in $1000 to make sure that some jackass doesn't come along, throw together a fake election, and then run around proclaiming that he somehow has the backing and support of the playerbase of the game in order to legitimize whatever stupid thing that he can pull out of his ass.

Seriously?
 

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You realise 1000$ is a LOT of money for average person?
It's not some pocket chance, sure there woulda been more candidates if it would've been
cheaper to try run to president or needed certain amount of votes from the other players
instead to be able to run for president.
Of course that $1,000 is quite a lot of money (although I saw virtual items in this game going for much more than that), but that was exactly the idea... to not have every average person running for president... and if someone was really into this and would have had some support from their peers, they could for sure find ways to afford the registration fee (it would have only required to rally 100 supporters, donating $10 each, which is not a LOT even for the average person). And there was enough time for people to get organized for that, yet no one did bothered to do it, so that tells me that people prefer to just stay on the side and criticize, instead of doing the effort, entering the pitch and provide an alternative.

"People that don't think that a certain thing is impossible, should at least stop disturbing the people that are actually doing it right at this very moment."



So, just to be clear... your stance is that, not only should we pay money to a game company to be able to play the game, but we are each supposed to throw in $1000 to make sure that some jackass doesn't come along, throw together a fake election, and then run around proclaiming that he somehow has the backing and support of the playerbase of the game in order to legitimize whatever stupid thing that he can pull out of his ass. Seriously?
And no, not each, it was needed to be just one person (even crowdfunding / sharing the registration fee costs) to run and rally enough supporters / voters behind them to beat the other candidate.
 
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