Question: How much do you deposit?

[Futurama]

no wonder that the game sucks!
more than 45%'s zero ... zilch ... nada users!!!

[tinfoilhatmode]

What if it's due to MAs inability to make a decent game environment and poor decisions?

[/tinfoilhatmode]

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Non-depo'ers put them time, blood and sweat in. If you think that's worth any less than dollars... you're wrong. Lol

They have the same right to complain as anyone else.

If any depositors (the people who let this game survive) need any of the shit that non-depositors get by sweating, we just fucking pay for it, so no...a non-depositors action is not vital to this community. I have paid 10 ped/k for hundreds of thousands of sweat to people who have real jobs and aren't afraid to have fun and are learning the game, and want to deposit in the future. Nothing a non-depositor does is important. If we need sweat, we will get people to do it. And it will be people who atm are learning the game, but are in no way mislead with dreams of ubership derived from complacency in RL or EU (i.e. not depositing, because of lack of means or need to prove self worth). I will support those that know this is a hobby for those that can pay to play, and and only them. And the second they mention "making money" in a game like this without depositing, by fucking playing a game like this, I tell them to get fucked, because they are too naive to realize the truth of why it exists.

 

[Piotr]

So if me (as nondepositer) turns 3-5k peds daily that counts for shit, but if depositer does the same it keeps the game alive?

 

[Raven Lunchbox]

So if me (as nondepositer) turns 3-5k peds daily that counts for shit, but if depositer does the same it keeps the game alive?

basically from what they are saying... yes.

it may count for something for you.. but .....

as far as further funding to the development and betterment of the game no, that comes from the cash people deposit into the game.

If cash flow of deposits stop. the game stops. period.

not trying to be rude its just the facts. It don't mean I don't like certain people or anything like that.

 

[tyk]

i wonder how many of these zero depositors play the actual game and not the forums.. and i mean PLAY.. dancing in twin peaks doesnt count

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

So if me (as nondepositer) turns 3-5k peds daily that counts for shit, but if depositer does the same it keeps the game alive?

No, it counts for everything, becuase (correct me if I am wrong) Ivi, you work your ass off and you never brag about it on the forums, do you? If you did, I missed it...but the fact is there are plenty of people who enjoy this game without depositing and there is nothing wrong with that and I wish it was exciting enough for thousands to join every day and not depo and to spend months learning the game...and yes, I also know for a fact the only thing that keeps this alive is deposits, so having a functional mix of the 2 is a necessity.

And what you do, or any other non-depositor does, is admirable, when done humbly, however, it is not some integral necessity required to allow this world to exist. And I am not saying you think that, but many others do, and it is that smug misconception that others believe that I wholeheartedly cannot fucking stand. Because the real truth is, in an RCE, nothing a non depositor does is vital, it might be beneficial, but it sure as hell ain't vital, and those that glorify themselves need to understand that their accomplishment is neither necessary, nor even remotely important, and it is those weak people seeking confirmation of their importance that I call out as completely worthless and constantly discount their opinion. There is a difference...an immense difference...between people who made it to where they are at, and act like they been there before, and those that fake their prowess in a desire for undeserved accolades.

If you don't depo, thats fine, as long as you're a productive person that helps the planets grow, and you accept yourself as equal to all. But those that ceased playing, or are a "non-depostor", or have developed a holier-than-thou attitude, and post 100 times a month, 95 of which are self-congratulatory, are hurting the growth of EU way more than anyone thinks. They create false senses of hope among people that would be best retained if fully informed.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

The reason why I consider myself a non-depositor is because when I started playing in ~2004-2005 I didn't even had the ability or funds to deposit. With playing smart and a few freebies I built up myself in the following years and was always able to hunt/mine without the need to deposit.

I have deposited only twice - both times in the past year, which wasn't for the purpose of funding my ingame activities as I had everything I needed already, but purely speculative in nature to earn extra peds for the purpose of withdrawal later on.

And that's why I went out of my way to make sure you didn't think I was talking about you. There is nothing wrong with non-depo's or minimal depo'ers...at all, and all my conversations with the remaining hardcore players/shooters/cyclers/depositors in this game always go back to guys like you that were there in the beginning and enjoyed the games evolution and didn't have to depo constantly because, not only were you wise enough to find this game back then, but you enjoy it in whatever capacity you experienced it in. There's nothing wrong with not depositing and there nothing wrong with depositing...the only problem I have is when someone writes a post with an even remotely condescending attitude towards any of us, because it ain't that they are fucking wrong...it's simply because they're fucking with us, and trying to act smart.

 

[Butch C v.2]

So if me (as nondepositer) turns 3-5k peds daily that counts for shit, but if depositer does the same it keeps the game alive?

no the actual deposits he made keep the game alive You didn't make any so where do you think these magical peds you turn over come from?

 

[FallenAngel]

no the actual deposits he made keep the game alive You didn't make any so where do you think these magical peds you turn over come from?

of course this is true but, to use a real life example, i doubt that many people would feel justified at being angry at the people that started microsoft or google or facebook and made lots of ped, or the guy/girl that wins the lottery, would they feel that person had stolen from them, or the person that goes to the casino, gets a complimentary fiche and turns that into a "fortune"?
are all the people in the services industry leaches that we dont really need? after all they dont keep the world alive, they dont actually produce anything.
would people in the real world get away with saying, only those already rich, who inherited money, the "lords&ladies" are allowed to do well i the world.
you are right to say that this game would not exist without depositors, but MA markets this as a virtual universe where it is possible to be successful, and to "build your avatar", to then sell what you have made and withdraw, it is the whole premise of this game and the only thing that sets it apart from the competition, it is the reason many people join and if it where not possible to "win" then who would actually have started to play this game in the first place considering the quality of the competition.
if there are no success stories of people that did make good, a few fairy tales of rags to riches, then what hope is there for people?
if there are no success stories and only people complaining about how bad things are what do you get?
this forum?

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Basically what it all boils down to is this:

If you think anyone cares that you are a non-depositor, you are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-Mjnn0JXE

 

[das]

Depositors are the loot pool. All Ped ingame is deposited. It's why depositors get pissy when a nondepositor gets a huge ass HOF. I am yet to loot anything of value

Dude, you have 44k ped in hunting on tracker, maybe shoot mroe & type less?

 

[Butch C v.2]

of course this is true but, to use a real life example, i doubt that many people would feel justified at being angry at the people that started microsoft or google or facebook and made lots of ped, or the guy/girl that wins the lottery, would they feel that person had stolen from them, or the person that goes to the casino, gets a complimentary fiche and turns that into a "fortune"?
are all the people in the services industry leaches that we dont really need? after all they dont keep the world alive, they dont actually produce anything.
would people in the real world get away with saying, only those already rich, who inherited money, the "lords&ladies" are allowed to do well i the world.
you are right to say that this game would not exist without depositors, but MA markets this as a virtual universe where it is possible to be successful, and to "build your avatar", to then sell what you have made and withdraw, it is the whole premise of this game and the only thing that sets it apart from the competition, it is the reason many people join and if it where not possible to "win" then who would actually have started to play this game in the first place considering the quality of the competition.
if there are no success stories of people that did make good, a few fairy tales of rags to riches, then what hope is there for people?
if there are no success stories and only people complaining about how bad things are what do you get?
this forum?

Well let's all stop depositing and see how the success stories go.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

So sick of the people that don't play for shit going on about being a non-depositor. You're not "awesome" and you're not better than anyone else. I posit that depositors are 10x more important, and are better people with better lives.

Do you brag about going to a casino and just sitting in the free buffet? Yeah you probably do. Or maybe you do gamble a little, and when you lose, you still lie and tell your friends that you won. You know the type of head-case I am talking about, right?

Go stand in twins some more and do nothing except come on the forum and talk about this game.

In fact I bet every one of you depo'ed at some point. Those that did depo, even once, and claim to be a non-depositor, are sick, or weak, or insecure. (Not futurama, at least he admits it)

Seriously...are you that insecure that you have to mention it every fucking thread???

Can we have a section of the forum for people who actually play and depo? And aren't pure whiney nobodies who do nothing?

Most of you are liars...you have depo'ed in the past, and you just want to look smart so you come on here spewing flaming horseshit. And now I am going to bust you out on the forum and to MA, for lying.

Neg rep the shit out of me if you are a non-depositor who feels you need to brag about how clever you are. That way I will know who you are and I can ignore anything you ever say ever from here on out.

I voted over 1k. I provide you with your pussy returns. I am the awesome one. And so are the others that do it, and that came before me. We are your God's...and all you non-depositors better wake up.

In fact, I depo'ed 3k last month. UNTIL EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU APOLOGIZES FOR BRAGGING, I AM DONE DEPOSITING!!!!!! I promise you that I am doing this. MA just lost 30k peds a month (the monthly salary of one of its probably 6 employees...you think they wont notice?) HEY, MA, IT'S THE BRAGGING, LYING, NON-DEPOSITORS FAULT. Let's see your returns now.


If you think I am kidding, I am not. My word is fucking stone. I will prove it to you in 1 month. I will send this to MA and have my depo ability locked. And I will let them know why.

You guys finally just pissed me off once and for all.

Edit: And to all the REAL non-depositors, who never once felt the need to brag on here, or the new avatars struggling to sweat and skill until you learn enough about the game, this is NOT directed at you.

Hey guess what, bragging assholes, it's been almost 20 hours....normally I would have deposited at least two hundo between that post and now but I didn't. If even one of you admits you are a douche for chiming in on every thread possible with your "I don't depo" bullshit, I will start depositing again and having fun in a world that I don't mind paying for. If you don't, the strike continues. The sad thing is, most are so stupid they don't even realize the importance of people like me or Val , or perv or Lunch or Butch or England back in the day, or any other guy who depo's. In fact, the first non-depo'er that fucking recognizes it and posts here will get a shitload of cool stuff. Lol, now watch all the freeloaders...guess what, I know who is sincere and who isn't.

 

[AtamiKiangola]

A better question these days would be "how much are you spending", which does not have to be a 1-1 with depositing anymore.

Atami

 

[Butch C v.2]

Dude, you have 44k ped in hunting on tracker, maybe shoot mroe & type less?

Many deposit a lot and get dismal loots so their tracker would be shithouse so god knows why you bring up someones hunt loot value as it doesn't relate to what they have deposited what so ever, you have heard of CLD's yeah, land areas? Spaceships, nice armours and weapons, expensive BP's none of which show up on your hunting loot tally on tracker.

 

[das]

Many deposit a lot and get dismal loots so their tracker would be shithouse so god knows why you bring up someones hunt loot value as it doesn't relate to what they have deposited what so ever, you have heard of CLD's yeah, land areas? Spaceships, nice armours and weapons, expensive BP's none of which show up on your hunting loot tally on tracker.

1st.. he was 'complaining' about not getting anything good.. wich is no wonder to me with those totals
2nd.. he has lvl85, 238 hp & 437k skills.. nice investemnt but if you don't use it, don't get mad for not having a return on it. Or do you wonna say those are naturally skilled?

 

[Killahbee]

1st.. he was 'complaining' about not getting anything good.. wich is no wonder to me with those totals
2nd.. he has lvl85, 238 hp & 437k skills.. nice investemnt but if you don't use it, don't get mad for not having a return on it. Or do you wonna say those are naturally skilled?

Don't judge someones hunting by tracker, I always(99%) hunt with a team on

 

[slick27]

varys alot for me so ball park figure £100 to £200 month give or take not sure in us dollars as it changing all the time but its good conversion rate atm so been making the most it . Dont have much to show for it tho apart from skills and bit rush now and then but i only deposit what i wont miss

 

[perry.elroy]

Basically what it all boils down to is this:

If you think anyone cares that you are a non-depositor, you are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-Mjnn0JXE

Ahh you got me, mate. I clicked the link and thought it would lead to a video of you on YOUTUBE where you stated that you don´t give a frick about all those cheap a**es. That would have been fun, mate!

Instead the link led to a video of NOFX, a punk rock band. Which could be interpreted it stands for the punk subculture, which stands for anticonsumerism and something like Do It Yourself-ethics... we all have a past, some even have a future.

Anyway excuse my bad English, I justed wanted to make a point... and you made your´s, so move on, it´s all good.


Cheers

Perry

 

[Harmony.]

Bleh!

When will you guys realize you can't do without each other?

Mindark needs money from the depositing players so they can develop the game (so thank you).
Players who don't deposit and 'become rich' are succes stories that help promote the game (so thank you). Many people also deposit to become self-sufficient ingame one day themselves.

The people that don't deposit need to realize that the depositors are enabling you to enjoy this game for free.
The people that DO deposit need to realize that they need the non-depositors to do all the nasty work they don't want to do. Or do any of the big time depositors sweat for their own mind essence, or mine for their nice and shiny enhancers?

Everyone has a right to complain about things they don't like. Nobody should whine about what they don't like.
Just face it, we're a huge disfunctional EU-family, and everyone has it's place in it.

 

[Butch C v.2]

Bleh!

When will you guys realize you can't do without each other?

Mindark needs money from the depositing players so they can develop the game (so thank you).
Players who don't deposit and 'become rich' are succes stories that help promote the game (so thank you).

The people that don't deposit need to realize that the depositors are enabling you to enjoy this game for free.
The people that DO deposit need to realize that they need the non-depositors to do all the nasty work they don't want to do. Or do any of the big time depositors sweat for their own mind essence, or mine for their nice and shiny enhancers?

Everyone has a right to complain about things they don't like. Nobody should whine about what they don't like.
Just face it, we're a huge disfunctional EU-family, and everyone has it's place in it.

i got a buggy and i don't use enhancers so non depositors can get stuffed

But seriously, yeah i think we all know that but the EU world would be a darn sight better place if EU attracted a few thousand more depositors not a few thousand more non depositors.

 

[zeusrocktropian]

To HOF is a privilege, not a right.

 

[Tepes]

it's been almost 20 hours....normally I would have deposited at least two hundo between that post and now but I didn't.

I do not understand... do you go hunting and NOT loot the mob? Do you throw to TT everything which has under 120% MU? Do you throw to storage everything you loot and never sell?

Letting the non-depositors issue aside (and in my opinion the few handful succesfull ones are either old players who got some nice peds and items in older days, or pvp looters, or traders who can fund their play with their profits), this extreme gambling behavior is telling why MA does not clean up their act. But everyone has a tipping point and it seems you might reach it.

You are of course free to do whatever you want with your money, but seriously, I hope you understand that your results in game seems abysmal (80k USD lost as I remember). Is your loot so bad, needing almost daily depos, or you really don't care about the outcome and is just the instant gratification of the fun, regardless of costs?

As for non-depositors (being one myself since late 2011, if hunting puny mobs lesser than a cornu for 1 hour can be called play), I'm not on opinion they are necessary to the game. If they withdraw large amounts, they can be quite dangerous - is less about the publicity for the game (look at that guy, he won xxxxx USD without spending a dime) in exterior, it did not worked well lately, but more about pissed-off depositors inside. Including the 20USD/month small depositors who lose all in 2 hours when it should be enough for 2 weeks of continuous fun, and they should be the mainstream player.

The free ride is over guys, look at the withdrawal times. Open your eyes and smell the roses. Money churned in game DO NOT PAY for servers, salaries, electricity, rents. The 30 million SEK expenditures per year are real, and covered from new deposits not from millions in loot in game.

 

[ermik]

To HOF is a privilege, not a right.

HOF is a function based on spendings, except for freak loots which are so uncommon they close to dont exist in context of the other loot events volume.

 

[trance]

Non-depositor from start

Falagor

time to do one and support MA and lootpool

 

[FallenAngel]

of course this is true

Well let's all stop depositing and see how the success stories go.

the first thing i said was this?
so yes, i acknowledged your point straight off the bat, and all you can do is repeat that and ignore the rest of what i said?
that just leads me to believe that in RL you do rant at the street-sweepers, the waiters, the people who win the lottery, the guy that wins big at blackjack in the casino that started with a comped fiche, the people that start up successful businesses from nothing, that you believe in a feudal system of kings and queens and lords and ladies, because unless you are "born rich" you have no right at all to succeed in the world through effort or luck?
why would anyone play this game over other far better products if all one is allowed to do is pay and lose?
when you signed up to the game was it thinking, hey i want to play this game so i can lose money or did you believe the hype and hope to succeed?
if there was anyone anywhere arguing that people that deposit are not vital or are not the ones that fund the game then i would understand the point you keep repeating, but there are none.

this whole discussion comes up every now and then and im quite surprised at people playing a brutal simulation of capitalism such as this, that live in capitalist societies, but get angry when it functions in the same way, supply and demand, time vs effort, success and failure, fortune and misfortune.

 

[KiriMistPrinces]

Got to page 5 and got tired of reading the stupid arguments.

My first year or two I depo'd roughly $200-$400 a month. The past two-three years I haven't been playing much but I'll throw $100 or so in every few months...so that's the option I picked...I guess it's not entirely accurate but would be the closest to what my average deposit rate is since creating my avatar.

 

[sakuraqueen]

0 deposit. Direct question turn to lenghty discussion with rage and anger.

 

[Butch C v.2]

the first thing i said was this?
so yes, i acknowledged your point straight off the bat, and all you can do is repeat that and ignore the rest of what i said?
that just leads me to believe that in RL you do rant at the street-sweepers, the waiters, the people who win the lottery, the guy that wins big at blackjack in the casino that started with a comped fiche, the people that start up successful businesses from nothing, that you believe in a feudal system of kings and queens and lords and ladies, because unless you are "born rich" you have no right at all to succeed in the world through effort or luck?
why would anyone play this game over other far better products if all one is allowed to do is pay and lose?
when you signed up to the game was it thinking, hey i want to play this game so i can lose money or did you believe the hype and hope to succeed?
if there was anyone anywhere arguing that people that deposit are not vital or are not the ones that fund the game then i would understand the point you keep repeating, but there are none.

this whole discussion comes up every now and then and im quite surprised at people playing a brutal simulation of capitalism such as this, that live in capitalist societies, but get angry when it functions in the same way, supply and demand, time vs effort, success and failure, fortune and misfortune.

Perhaps i stop reading when someone compares a game over and over with real life Then start to tell me what i do and how i react in real life, I don't just rant at street sweepers I also kill people in real life and loot there bodies, i fly into space to visit other planets, get real for goodness sakes.

 

[qamori]

Non-depo'ers put them time, blood and sweat in. If you think that's worth any less than dollars... you're wrong. Lol

They have the same right to complain as anyone else.

What I was saying is:
How can someone complain about a RETURN when they have not invested 1 cent in the game?
The return of zero is zero.

Now I know why so many people just walk around, and dance, and complain in the forum