Loot and EU Play

[Mika]

Sounds to me like your playing wrong.

1. your using huge guns full of enhancers, enhancers are almost always going to lower your returns due to their markup cost. They are for events not regular hunting.

2. You shouldn’t recycle your ped balance when hunting, you’ll always get bad returns with that logic: 95% of 100 is 95, then do 95% of that and your at 90.25, do it again and your at 85% keep repeating and you’ll be at 60% in no time.
you need to have a ped balance and use that, then sell the items for markup and repeat. That’s how you keep above 100% with markup.

3. for gods sake don’t hunt in calypso.

sell those big guns and hunt smaller using the ped balance from those guns or deposit like 100X what your playing with as you don’t have enough peds to use those guns for large enough runs to get a guaranteed 95% which you would get if you had larger runs without cycling your ped.

1. accuracy enhancers increase dpp increasing the amount of MU dropping.

what your saying here is opposite of what i have people tell me on stream and in replies on forums here. Accuracy engancers also last so fucking long that why would you not increase MU drops? Not that it helps either way but hey, i bought 20 of each in about a year ago. I had to refresh the stack on 3 of them the other day. Perhaps thats just luck? They dwindle away damn slow.

2. if i have 1000 ped, i shoot it away, in loot i get 800 ped and i have 100 ped repair. As well as 50 ped in items i sold for MU.

i then have 950 ped. If i say i do 1000 ped ammo hunts, where does it then imply i take only 950? And if so if i were to be realistic, what else would a player unable to get back to 1000 to? Expect them to re-depo to 1000 and just ignore that they then had to depo another 50? Making the original number 1050 not 1000 when going for the next hunt.

If you stay over 100% returns you are doing something you should never tell anyone else as you are one of the few able to do so. If many did so mindark would seize to function.
My goal is to be more in line with what mindark says the rtp is, not to get rich or win. I want my shit to last longer, by doing what i do, without also needing to invest $10 000 in equipment to hunt low level mobs and ‘lose money slower’…

3. caly is the only planet for me where i get ok returns compared to the others. Arkade so far has been worse, monria best, but non have come close to Caly, and primarily mayhem events etc.

do you activly sugest i go do something i know will lose me even more money even faster? It works for you on toulan? Great, it sure as shit doesnt for me.

 

[Mika]

You did not get the point i gues.
What i'm saying is the gun matters little. Yes eff does help with your tt-return but not as mutch as hunting within your bankroll.

my bankroll is adequate to get the amount of kills people conjured up as a requirment.

im not hunting daspletors with an opalo killing 1 every 2 days.

eff also does matter a fair bit, but not as much as people think. Im well aware of the way those % work ive seen messi explaining it to people more times than i want to recount. Its good but not a be all end all that is true

 

[DrGirlfriend]

A noble attempt... but the concept of living within your means is complicated enough for most people to understand in the real world. The average Entropian can not fight the urge to go big after seeing that big fat Mulmun HOF.

Yes, indeed... The sight of a level 20 animal looter taking on the mighty behemoth Eomon is quite the sight to behold. With their inability to evade, limited Perseus, and 180 second time-to-kill, what's not to like?

Yes. A blueprint existing that only consumes TT material (and for some reason returns blueprints, gems, and residue???) is a problem. But I've read this (type of) post enough times by now to know that player retention is a player-made problem. If people could find their own way to have fun (that they could actually afford) instead of chasing the swirl then they'd be much better off.

It is what it is. I think we'd be better off from a retention perspective if the global channel didn't even exist but how can you blame a company for making that money. Did you know that even lab rats were found to have behavior patterns similar to degenerate casino gamblers when exposed to flashy lights and sound cues? What can you expect from Entropians when they see that people are just printing soooo much money in the Moloch Depths? Sheesh.

My local casino started doing global messages. Every single over $2000 is announced in the speakers to everyone. Hearing a global in real life made me realize how poor taste it is, like teasing gamblers.

global messages I now find disgusting, like offering meth to a bum on the street

 

[Mika]

My local casino started doing global messages. Every single over $2000 is announced in the speakers to everyone. Hearing a global in real life made me realize how poor taste it is, like teasing gamblers.

global messages I now find disgusting, like offering meth to a bum on the street

ive not turned mine off, but i think it might actually be a good thing to do so. 10/10 beneficial for mental health for someone like me atm

thats something i will do the next time i jump on. I play a lot less these last few weeks due obvious reason but this. What you just said make hella lot of sense lol

 

[DrGirlfriend]

1. accuracy enhancers increase dpp increasing the amount of MU dropping.

what your saying here is opposite of what i have people tell me on stream and in replies on forums here. Accuracy engancers also last so fucking long that why would you not increase MU drops? Not that it helps either way but hey, i bought 20 of each in about a year ago. I had to refresh the stack on 3 of them the other day. Perhaps thats just luck? They dwindle away damn slow.

2. if i have 1000 ped, i shoot it away, in loot i get 800 ped and i have 100 ped repair. As well as 50 ped in items i sold for MU.

i then have 950 ped. If i say i do 1000 ped ammo hunts, where does it then imply i take only 950? And if so if i were to be realistic, what else would a player unable to get back to 1000 to? Expect them to re-depo to 1000 and just ignore that they then had to depo another 50? Making the original number 1050 not 1000 when going for the next hunt.

If you stay over 100% returns you are doing something you should never tell anyone else as you are one of the few able to do so. If many did so mindark would seize to function.
My goal is to be more in line with what mindark says the rtp is, not to get rich or win. I want my shit to last longer, by doing what i do, without also needing to invest $10 000 in equipment to hunt low level mobs and ‘lose money slower’…

3. caly is the only planet for me where i get ok returns compared to the others. Arkade so far has been worse, monria best, but non have come close to Caly, and primarily mayhem events etc.

do you activly sugest i go do something i know will lose me even more money even faster? It works for you on toulan? Great, it sure as shit doesnt for me.

1Your neglecting the markup

2, yes when you cycle like that you will appear to have low returns due to recycling the same ped over and over, if you take away 5% over and over eventually you have close to 0… do you not see that?

I cycle 10k ped on vixens, lose like 800 ped, and sell markup exceeding that 800 ped, and am in profit, then I restart.
If I log at 100 ped and continue to cycle that 100 ped I will be at 0 ped very fast as I will run out of ped to cycle. That is bankroll.

3. Caly has the worst markup

 

[DaisyColdFinger]

You can hunt as as efficiently as you like but if your chasing mu or rare drop mobs you cant afford you will always go broke at some point. No one other than bot's likes to grind for mats which is why many break rank and go for a rare drop gamble they know they really cant afford but they do it anyway and often because that "improves their odds" ... one more ticket mentality is hard to break or see in themselves for some.

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Many people tell you your bankroll is fucked, why do you ignore it?
Sell one of those 2 beastly guns, and use the ped from that gun as your bankroll and you’ll be fine. You don’t need 2 god tier guns

 

[DrGirlfriend]

You should be losing TT on every hunt and replacing those losses with OTHER PLAYERS MONEY by selling them markup. Caly doesn’t have enough markup to cover that shit.

every player who plays more than a few years here makes profit from markup that covers their 5-10% tt losses.

you also only have 5-10% tt losses, it’s just you keep cycling the same ped over and over and it appears to dwindle to 60% cause your recycling the losses over and over

 

[Fanan]

@Mika Have you considering visit a different planet than Caly? Try it! Hunt lower kill many, repeat, seek mu. Entropia Universe is not just Calypso.

It's not much what item you have but how and where you use that specific item.

 

[DaisyColdFinger]

To be frank i think Mika is hunting for MU but high end rare item MU instead of low level grind MU That said, i am yet to global on Caly but that could just be some mechanic to do with share based on active planetary players which si why i mini global more often/easily on other planets.

 

[Mika]

2, yes when you cycle like that you will appear to have low returns due to recycling the same ped over and over, if you take away 5% over and over eventually you have close to 0… do you not see that?

Bob has 1000 ped.

bob goes hunting with all of his ped.

Bob gets 800 in Stuff that has 101% or less MU, so bob TT's it, but since we are looking at returns. that is 8 ped.

Bob also has 50 ped of high MU which is 120%! Worth keeping for sure, and he sells it. which makes this portion 60 ped, becasue %'s are reversable and 20% of 50 is 10.

Bob's gear in total repair, decay, and enhancers lost all amount to 100 ped.

Bob then looks at it, he started with 1000 ped, and all the above results add up to 960.

Now bob has 960 ped, and has no other choice than to repeat what he does above and hope for better results. Bob does not then just see that last run as his run and adds lower to it as he goes, 960, would be the new 100%.

Did I explain it to you like your 5 enough for us to understand we're talking about the same thing?


Now, I do not know how lootnanny calculates it, but i am certain it just takes whole runs as they are. So when i have those 1000 ped, and i get 960, and i take those and i get 900, then i get really unlucky, and get 200 back, but immidiately get very lucky and get 2000 back, it counts that as one run, unless i specifically restart it, which i stated i did not untill 30-60k cycled. And i inevitably screw lootnany up because my returns are so awfull I am forced to re-depo, and i often forgot lootnanny, which did not distinguish depo stuff vs looted stuff and i was unable to unfuck it manually. There are post histories of me asking how to unfuck it a couple of times as well in the lootnanny thread, spoiler alert i was not succesfull and had to start new runs.

Now, if that is the incorrect way to use lootnanny, that might be, but that is what just about anyone I know of uses it. And how i was told to use it. Before i used to just do run by run, i started it as i started, stopped it, took a note of the run, and moved on, and after a good few dozen runs i could just mash together all the returns and get a rough median.

Regardless, we're talking about the same thing here, and it doesnt change the fact that some things, clearly work for you. and you are just another person telling me im' not doing something correct, and instead of doing what someone else said, i should do what you say.

Currently i'm mostly trying to follow advice from Pechunter whom i've not seen in a while, and Akiranblade, as well as a few other great EU players whom I know, are well enough within their cappability of giving solid advice on how to play properly these days. I've told my gear, my setup, and what i hunt is readily available for everyone to see, its not like i sprint of to global on a random mob, only to sprint off to dasps with my setup and pray to not hit a global and then ocassionally run back to get a global on other stuff again

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Bob has 1000 ped.

bob goes hunting with all of his ped.

Bob gets 800 in Stuff that has 101% or less MU, so bob TT's it, but since we are looking at returns. that is 8 ped.

Bob also has 50 ped of high MU which is 120%! Worth keeping for sure, and he sells it. which makes this portion 60 ped, becasue %'s are reversable and 20% of 50 is 10.

Bob's gear in total repair, decay, and enhancers lost all amount to 100 ped.

Bob then looks at it, he started with 1000 ped, and all the above results add up to 960.

Now bob has 960 ped, and has no other choice than to repeat what he does above and hope for better results. Bob does not then just see that last run as his run and adds lower to it as he goes, 960, would be the new 100%.

Did I explain it to you like your 5 enough for us to understand we're talking about the same thing?


Now, I do not know how lootnanny calculates it, but i am certain it just takes whole runs as they are. So when i have those 1000 ped, and i get 960, and i take those and i get 900, then i get really unlucky, and get 200 back, but immidiately get very lucky and get 2000 back, it counts that as one run, unless i specifically restart it, which i stated i did not untill 30-60k cycled. And i inevitably screw lootnany up because my returns are so awfull I am forced to re-depo, and i often forgot lootnanny, which did not distinguish depo stuff vs looted stuff and i was unable to unfuck it manually. There are post histories of me asking how to unfuck it a couple of times as well in the lootnanny thread, spoiler alert i was not succesfull and had to start new runs.

Now, if that is the incorrect way to use lootnanny, that might be, but that is what just about anyone I know of uses it. And how i was told to use it. Before i used to just do run by run, i started it as i started, stopped it, took a note of the run, and moved on, and after a good few dozen runs i could just mash together all the returns and get a rough median.

Regardless, we're talking about the same thing here, and it doesnt change the fact that some things, clearly work for you. and you are just another person telling me im' not doing something correct, and instead of doing what someone else said, i should do what you say.

Currently i'm mostly trying to follow advice from Pechunter whom i've not seen in a while, and Akiranblade, as well as a few other great EU players whom I know, are well enough within their cappability of giving solid advice on how to play properly these days. I've told my gear, my setup, and what i hunt is readily available for everyone to see, its not like i sprint of to global on a random mob, only to sprint off to dasps with my setup and pray to not hit a global and then ocassionally run back to get a global on other stuff again

Bob could have sold all of his loot for markup even 101% adds up quickly, but bob needed ped to hunt. So bob sold all his lower MU stuff, because instead bob had no bankroll and he TT it all. Now bob is cycling losses.


If bob waited till he cycled 10k or 100k ped then he would have enough loot to sell even the muscle oil and other crap markup at a profit on auction. Then bob would see that all his markup covers his 5% TT loss and can start the cycle again with MORE ped than before.

meanwhile bob who recycles his losses is at 0 ped as he cycled it all way to nothing, compounding his 5% loss over and over. With only his few high mu items to sell that won’t even cover bobs tt losses

The main difference here is that the larger bankroll bob has more ped to cycle and this can survive bad loot and will eventually balance out to 95% whereas the smaller bankroll bob if he gets even a single 60% return from 1000 per cycled is ruined forever. If 10k ped cycle bob gets a 60% return on 1k ped be can balance it out with a few other runs and globals and such that bring ALL PLAYERS long term loot to 95%ish

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Bob has 1000 ped.

bob goes hunting with all of his ped.

Bob gets 800 in Stuff that has 101% or less MU, so bob TT's it, but since we are looking at returns. that is 8 ped.

Bob also has 50 ped of high MU which is 120%! Worth keeping for sure, and he sells it. which makes this portion 60 ped, becasue %'s are reversable and 20% of 50 is 10.

Bob's gear in total repair, decay, and enhancers lost all amount to 100 ped.

Bob then looks at it, he started with 1000 ped, and all the above results add up to 960.

Now bob has 960 ped, and has no other choice than to repeat what he does above and hope for better results. Bob does not then just see that last run as his run and adds lower to it as he goes, 960, would be the new 100%.

Did I explain it to you like your 5 enough for us to understand we're talking about the same thing?


Now, I do not know how lootnanny calculates it, but i am certain it just takes whole runs as they are. So when i have those 1000 ped, and i get 960, and i take those and i get 900, then i get really unlucky, and get 200 back, but immidiately get very lucky and get 2000 back, it counts that as one run, unless i specifically restart it, which i stated i did not untill 30-60k cycled. And i inevitably screw lootnany up because my returns are so awfull I am forced to re-depo, and i often forgot lootnanny, which did not distinguish depo stuff vs looted stuff and i was unable to unfuck it manually. There are post histories of me asking how to unfuck it a couple of times as well in the lootnanny thread, spoiler alert i was not succesfull and had to start new runs.

Now, if that is the incorrect way to use lootnanny, that might be, but that is what just about anyone I know of uses it. And how i was told to use it. Before i used to just do run by run, i started it as i started, stopped it, took a note of the run, and moved on, and after a good few dozen runs i could just mash together all the returns and get a rough median.

Regardless, we're talking about the same thing here, and it doesnt change the fact that some things, clearly work for you. and you are just another person telling me im' not doing something correct, and instead of doing what someone else said, i should do what you say.

Currently i'm mostly trying to follow advice from Pechunter whom i've not seen in a while, and Akiranblade, as well as a few other great EU players whom I know, are well enough within their cappability of giving solid advice on how to play properly these days. I've told my gear, my setup, and what i hunt is readily available for everyone to see, its not like i sprint of to global on a random mob, only to sprint off to dasps with my setup and pray to not hit a global and then ocassionally run back to get a global on other stuff again

You follow advice from people who played in a different loot system, and also quit playing. It’s outdated and likely wrong as they quit for a reason.

 

[DrGirlfriend]

If you can’t kill 10k creatures minimum before selling anything your bankroll is too small, however you should have bankroll for 50k-100k creatures imo.

i do not have such a bankroll so I am stuck on vixens until they pay me enough that I do

 

[Msturlese]

I will try to put it in NUMERIC FORM
you need to be successful and safe to have bankroll for 5.000 KIlls.
if you got 1000 ped you must kill TALUS - VIXEN - PAPOOS - ORATANprospectorspuny Arrets/Tree dragon

10....40 PEC monsters. sell the EWE for 3500 ped and use a Barbarella or D1 or Opalo or TT Pistol
you will be amazed at different experience.

Here are for you some strategies.
1. go Dsec9 Kill TALUS (basic leather extractor)
2. go to monria kill shoggoth (banimal hide)
3. craft daily engineering with click of generic leather texture
rinse and repeat, sell skills not needed

Same on Toulan, do the "other" daily

Kill Vixen (see Dr. GF post,its detailed)

If You have 1k bankroll it is absurd to have a 4k weapon, sell 4k weapon, have 5k bankroll to use with TT Pistol.
returns on smaller ones will be 95%+

70% is absurd
that pistol shots 400 ped per hour... it is like
1st after noon 1k ped become 700
2nd afternoon 700 ped become 490
3rd afternoon 490 become 350
4th afternoon 350 become 250
5th afternoon 250 bacome 180

if this is the case something weerd is for sure happening.

 

[Mika]

To be frank i think Mika is hunting for MU but high end rare item MU instead of low level grind MU That said, i am yet to global on Caly but that could just be some mechanic to do with share based on active planetary players which si why i mini global more often/easily on other planets.

I sometimes do enjoy hoping and spend an hour or two at say Harbringers, hoping for a L1000, that is the only really, "high MU" item my gear will allow me to hunt for that i know that still can drop.

everything else to my knowledge is beyond my ability in both skill level, and gear. I do try to hit mobs that have something for them at least, either in terms of ocassionally being known for giving people a decent pay here and there. but a lot of it is targeting mobs like caperons or marcimex for mushrooms, or other stuff giving bio ID's etc and so on.

@Mika Have you considering visit a different planet than Caly? Try it! Hunt lower kill many, repeat, seek mu. Entropia Universe is not just Calypso.

It's not much what item you have but how and where you use that specific item.

Arkadia was a massive lsosfest for the most part, i went with mobs that Akiranblade and others adviced to go for, in terms of MU and following what people i presumed have a good knowledge about it told me to try. Making me mostly hunt underground.

Toulan i've not really hunted much as i do not see any of the mobs there being decent (?) not sure if that is the word, no one i know of have adviced me to go there.

Rocktropia... I mean, i swung by and joined Solos kong stuff on a few ocassions, knowing it is a loss but it was fun, hunting though, eh no.

Cyrene, went for the stuff I was adviced to hunt for MU and try to work towards the armors, after 2 weeks i had not seen a single MU item, I left.

NI, almost as bad as arkadia, i've been a couple of times, i mostly just try to slap chimeras becasue of ease. The best luck i had there was on sand stalkers taht decided to throw a fair bit of armor at me, sadly the armor never sells so while it was nice MU on those, its now been 1 year and i've yet not sold any of it, even trying to sell 10ped under. I've never seen any sinew drop, snakes are above my paygrade. I'm sure i could find a fapper and try but, i don't see a want to as its above my paygrade to begin with.

Monria, was really good, in the start the first couple of weeks in monria were fantastic, and i somehow think monria might be the reason why i'm still having a bad spell. as I was doing the dailies on the lowend stuff to hope for chapters, as i managed to get a 1.3k hof which is my highest hunting loot since 2005.. on a Shoggoth.. Akiran calculated it at almost 2000 multiplier, ish, sort of. I was using a MK2 adj when i got it. Which means the system might just see "uh oh high multi given" and just closed the valve entierly. That is a theory though so don't hold that against, i msotly hunt shubs 45 and down which are pretty perfect but nowadays its, bad, and after increasing dpp I initially saw a good bit of fuses in the beginning, before now its been long since seeing anything up there sadly.

If you have sugestions by all means i'm ears, like i mentioned above A lot of people have given a lot of good help and at this point what i do in EU is borderline no longer my own decisions. What works for others clearly isnt working when i do it. And like i said a few posts ago, i'm well aware that this is a issue with me, and what people seem to fail to understand is that i'm aware that i am just absolutely unlucky. If I do what others tell me to do, what to use, what to buy, and its not working, then i dunno what to say.

 

[DrGirlfriend]

I will try to put it in NUMERIC FORM
you need to be successful and safe to have bankroll for 5.000 KIlls.
if you got 1000 ped you must kill TALUS - VIXEN - PAPOOS - ORATANprospectorspuny Arrets/Tree dragon

10....40 PEC monsters. sell the EWE for 3500 ped and use a Barbarella or D1 or Opalo or TT Pistol
you will be amazed at different experience.

Here are for you some strategies.
1. go Dsec9 Kill TALUS (basic leather extractor)
2. go to monria kill shoggoth (banimal hide)
3. craft daily engineering with click of generic leather texture
rinse and repeat, sell skills not needed

Same on Toulan, do the "other" daily

Kill Vixen (see Dr. GF post,its detailed)

If You have 1k bankroll it is absurd to have a 4k weapon, sell 4k weapon, have 5k bankroll to use with TT Pistol.
returns on smaller ones will be 95%+

70% is absurd
that pistol shots 400 ped per hour... it is like
1st after noon 1k ped become 700
2nd afternoon 700 ped become 490
3rd afternoon 490 become 350
4th afternoon 350 become 250
5th afternoon 250 bacome 180

if this is the case something weerd is for sure happening.

Good advice except the opalo is so bad it’s not useable anymore

 

[Mika]

If you can’t kill 10k creatures minimum before selling anything your bankroll is too small, however you should have bankroll for 50k-100k creatures imo.

i do not have such a bankroll so I am stuck on vixens until they pay me enough that I do

I do have the bankroll to do that, and i used to do that for a long time, but it ended with me not giving a shit about hoarding 100.5 - 104% stuff as they dropped far to rare. Given, this is was from caly stuff.

I do still keep what frequently enough drops obviously, i dont hunt, open TT and yeet all the loot goes i'm not braindead. But keeping extractors I get 1-2 of every week, and after a year i had a whopping 30 of them i could earn 20 pec on after fees, absolutely pointless.

Yes its MU lost, not arguing that, but my goal is not to win, or beat the system, i'm not here to have a grand time getting rich, EU for me has absolutely never been that.

But when what i pay what i do only lasts me a afternoon, then sure, its to expensive, and yes, my bankroll is not high enough, if that is what you meant all along i obviously get that. But you've missed my point where that leads us to where the select 200 millionaires are the only ones who can hunt anything above caudas and snables...

 

[DrGirlfriend]

I sometimes do enjoy hoping and spend an hour or two at say Harbringers, hoping for a L1000, that is the only really, "high MU" item my gear will allow me to hunt for that i know that still can drop.

everything else to my knowledge is beyond my ability in both skill level, and gear. I do try to hit mobs that have something for them at least, either in terms of ocassionally being known for giving people a decent pay here and there. but a lot of it is targeting mobs like caperons or marcimex for mushrooms, or other stuff giving bio ID's etc and so on.




Arkadia was a massive lsosfest for the most part, i went with mobs that Akiranblade and others adviced to go for, in terms of MU and following what people i presumed have a good knowledge about it told me to try. Making me mostly hunt underground.

Toulan i've not really hunted much as i do not see any of the mobs there being decent (?) not sure if that is the word, no one i know of have adviced me to go there.

Rocktropia... I mean, i swung by and joined Solos kong stuff on a few ocassions, knowing it is a loss but it was fun, hunting though, eh no.

Cyrene, went for the stuff I was adviced to hunt for MU and try to work towards the armors, after 2 weeks i had not seen a single MU item, I left.

NI, almost as bad as arkadia, i've been a couple of times, i mostly just try to slap chimeras becasue of ease. The best luck i had there was on sand stalkers taht decided to throw a fair bit of armor at me, sadly the armor never sells so while it was nice MU on those, its now been 1 year and i've yet not sold any of it, even trying to sell 10ped under. I've never seen any sinew drop, snakes are above my paygrade. I'm sure i could find a fapper and try but, i don't see a want to as its above my paygrade to begin with.

Monria, was really good, in the start the first couple of weeks in monria were fantastic, and i somehow think monria might be the reason why i'm still having a bad spell. as I was doing the dailies on the lowend stuff to hope for chapters, as i managed to get a 1.3k hof which is my highest hunting loot since 2005.. on a Shoggoth.. Akiran calculated it at almost 2000 multiplier, ish, sort of. I was using a MK2 adj when i got it. Which means the system might just see "uh oh high multi given" and just closed the valve entierly. That is a theory though so don't hold that against, i msotly hunt shubs 45 and down which are pretty perfect but nowadays its, bad, and after increasing dpp I initially saw a good bit of fuses in the beginning, before now its been long since seeing anything up there sadly.

If you have sugestions by all means i'm ears, like i mentioned above A lot of people have given a lot of good help and at this point what i do in EU is borderline no longer my own decisions. What works for others clearly isnt working when i do it. And like i said a few posts ago, i'm well aware that this is a issue with me, and what people seem to fail to understand is that i'm aware that i am just absolutely unlucky. If I do what others tell me to do, what to use, what to buy, and its not working, then i dunno what to say.

You need to stop taking peoples advice on what or where to hunt obviously it’s not working. Forget everything you learned and only listen to one thing, bankroll management!!!

 

[DrGirlfriend]

I do have the bankroll to do that, and i used to do that for a long time, but it ended with me not giving a shit about hoarding 100.5 - 104% stuff as they dropped far to rare. Given, this is was from caly stuff.

I do still keep what frequently enough drops obviously, i dont hunt, open TT and yeet all the loot goes i'm not braindead. But keeping extractors I get 1-2 of every week, and after a year i had a whopping 30 of them i could earn 20 pec on after fees, absolutely pointless.

Yes its MU lost, not arguing that, but my goal is not to win, or beat the system, i'm not here to have a grand time getting rich, EU for me has absolutely never been that.

But when what i pay what i do only lasts me a afternoon, then sure, its to expensive, and yes, my bankroll is not high enough, if that is what you meant all along i obviously get that. But you've missed my point where that leads us to where the select 200 millionaires are the only ones who can hunt anything above caudas and snables...

Cycle 10k on one mob and you’ll have enough extractors to sell, stop swapping creature and hunt a single one to 10-50k kills before moving to a new creature or you’ll never have any markup… you need the small markup from individual loots not some rare drop. Rare drops are bonuses not something to hunt for, or you’ll become like John black knight burning ped for months without a rare drop

 

[DrGirlfriend]

I do have the bankroll to do that, and i used to do that for a long time, but it ended with me not giving a shit about hoarding 100.5 - 104% stuff as they dropped far to rare. Given, this is was from caly stuff.

I do still keep what frequently enough drops obviously, i dont hunt, open TT and yeet all the loot goes i'm not braindead. But keeping extractors I get 1-2 of every week, and after a year i had a whopping 30 of them i could earn 20 pec on after fees, absolutely pointless.

Yes its MU lost, not arguing that, but my goal is not to win, or beat the system, i'm not here to have a grand time getting rich, EU for me has absolutely never been that.

But when what i pay what i do only lasts me a afternoon, then sure, its to expensive, and yes, my bankroll is not high enough, if that is what you meant all along i obviously get that. But you've missed my point where that leads us to where the select 200 millionaires are the only ones who can hunt anything above caudas and snables...

Calypso has no markup we already said that, go hunt a mob with regular markup.

 

[Mika]

Calypso has no markup we already said that, go hunt a mob with regular markup.

Where, and what?

Edit: And caly does have MU, i'm not sure why people always say it doesnt, the MU is just harder to get. Its not like BioID's, Mushrooms, Adjusters, conveyors and robot parts etc etc just magically don't exist because you say so.

Cycle 10k on one mob and you’ll have enough extractors to sell, stop swapping creature and hunt a single one to 10-50k kills before moving to a new creature or you’ll never have any markup… you need the small markup from individual loots not some rare drop. Rare drops are bonuses not something to hunt for, or you’ll become like John black knight burning ped for months without a rare drop

If you've read my replies, done that multiple times, even on other planets, highest cycle probably is monria where half has gone towards trying to get the shub chapter.

Shubs also have fairly ok MU stuff in components, fuses and dropping so many basic and advanced stone extractors iirc that you get enough for it to not be worth yeeting after just 2 hours of hunting.

And go find me enough advanced gem extractors etc for it to be worth it. 10k ped is not gonna be even remotely near enough. 10k cycled is about, well about one afternoon. a little over 10 hours and you're there, it really is not much. But i'm interested though why you think it is?

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Where, and what?




If you've read my replies, done that multiple times, even on other planets, highest cycle probably is monria where half has gone towards trying to get the shub chapter.

Shubs also have fairly ok MU stuff in components, fuses and dropping so many basic and advanced stone extractors iirc that you get enough for it to not be worth yeeting after just 2 hours of hunting.

And go find me enough advanced gem extractors etc for it to be worth it. 10k ped is not gonna be even remotely near enough. 10k cycled is about, well about one afternoon. a little over 10 hours and you're there, it really is not much. But i'm interested though why you think it is?

Dude just gave you a list of 5 mobs…

 

[DrGirlfriend]

I will try to put it in NUMERIC FORM
you need to be successful and safe to have bankroll for 5.000 KIlls.
if you got 1000 ped you must kill TALUS - VIXEN - PAPOOS - ORATANprospectorspuny Arrets/Tree dragon

10....40 PEC monsters. sell the EWE for 3500 ped and use a Barbarella or D1 or Opalo or TT Pistol
you will be amazed at different experience.

Here are for you some strategies.
1. go Dsec9 Kill TALUS (basic leather extractor)
2. go to monria kill shoggoth (banimal hide)
3. craft daily engineering with click of generic leather texture
rinse and repeat, sell skills not needed

Same on Toulan, do the "other" daily

Kill Vixen (see Dr. GF post,its detailed)

If You have 1k bankroll it is absurd to have a 4k weapon, sell 4k weapon, have 5k bankroll to use with TT Pistol.
returns on smaller ones will be 95%+

70% is absurd
that pistol shots 400 ped per hour... it is like
1st after noon 1k ped become 700
2nd afternoon 700 ped become 490
3rd afternoon 490 become 350
4th afternoon 350 become 250
5th afternoon 250 bacome 180

if this is the case something weerd is for sure happening.

All of these mobs will give guaranteed profit from markup, they are just so small most peoples brains don’t let them hunt them

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Where, and what?




If you've read my replies, done that multiple times, even on other planets, highest cycle probably is monria where half has gone towards trying to get the shub chapter.

Shubs also have fairly ok MU stuff in components, fuses and dropping so many basic and advanced stone extractors iirc that you get enough for it to not be worth yeeting after just 2 hours of hunting.

And go find me enough advanced gem extractors etc for it to be worth it. 10k ped is not gonna be even remotely near enough. 10k cycled is about, well about one afternoon. a little over 10 hours and you're there, it really is not much. But i'm interested though why you think it is?

On Monria you cycled like 4 different mobs… you are not listening. Stick to 1 creature until your so sick of it youll never hunt it again ever. Swapping creatures makes no sense it only makes it harder to sell your items

I’m talking like 1million kills etc
If you want to have fun then don’t worry about returns, if you want to complain about returns then specialize properly

 

[DrGirlfriend]

Where, and what?

Edit: And caly does have MU, i'm not sure why people always say it doesnt, the MU is just harder to get. Its not like BioID's, Mushrooms, Adjusters, conveyors and robot parts etc etc just magically don't exist because you say so.




If you've read my replies, done that multiple times, even on other planets, highest cycle probably is monria where half has gone towards trying to get the shub chapter.

Shubs also have fairly ok MU stuff in components, fuses and dropping so many basic and advanced stone extractors iirc that you get enough for it to not be worth yeeting after just 2 hours of hunting.

And go find me enough advanced gem extractors etc for it to be worth it. 10k ped is not gonna be even remotely near enough. 10k cycled is about, well about one afternoon. a little over 10 hours and you're there, it really is not much. But i'm interested though why you think it is?

10k kills not 10k cycled omg your really not getting what we’re saying are you

When we say hunt for markup we mean a mob that drops like 105% value items often. We do not mean look for that rare drop with lots of mu.

good markup is a regular drop of 400% vixen gears, or a regular drop of tab tab hides at 300% not a rare drop of an item at 100000% mu

 

[TeesMaarKhan]

right this is going to be a little rich coming from me specially someone who's been whining and complaining for most of my time here but what i do not now understand is how can people not get 85%+ return and that's tt, and I'm not talking about buying a 100k weapon with 80+% eff either.

pick a gun for your level, L is perfectly fine
attach a mayhem L amp on it rather than those shitty L ones that last one hunt.
pick a mob based on your skills and weapon level.
A mob that's half dead before it gets to you is the key or its dead before it reaches you

BANK ROLL muthafucka do you speak it...The most important aspect of all of this.

I been doing 1k ped hunts for 16 years.... And they were just that. and my bitching wasn't any different to what's happening in here for those damn 16 years

up it to 5k ped minimum if you can 10k that's even better...you get the jist

No ones asking you to depo and invest 100k to buy all this uber gear i didn't.

see me moaning any more?

even at tt you should be be touching 85%+ easy.

This post is not pointing a finger at anyone specifically but more of a all rounder post to anyone whose finding them selves under 80%.

when I was doing 1k ped runs my cycling was over within a few hours, now im doing same mobs same game play bigger bank roll and its working out just fine.

Many people once said bigger bank roll helps with the down swings, it keeps you going and boom you are back up to 85%+ sometimes more that's just a min number.

cant afford it, here's the trick, depo your 1k but don't play, use it as a savings bank, when you would run out and normally depo another 1k do that but don't play, carry on until you have deposited 5k ped minimum based on your play style and no 5k peds killing lvl 70+ mobs isn't going to cut it either. 5k peds on big mobs is nothing, its like doing the 1k ped depos and play.

in short Bank roll is key, it should get you through a dry spell of a good 5 days, work it out based on the kind of mobs you are hunting.

Hope that helps.

Regards
Tees

 

[Mika]

Ok so people are a little stuck on me saying 1k ped runs. I do 1000 ped runs, as that means i know how long it will take, and it alligns well with the buffs i apply.

I still have 5-10k peds worth of ammo at any given time, its just that when i go out the door with a gun on my shoulder, i bring 1000 ped because of conveniency knowing it will take me X time, alligns with buffs, and ill go repair and bring another 1k the next time after a small break taking a shit or eating a sandwich

its not 1000 ped is what i have, its 1000 ped is what i bring.

My bankroll, in that sense then is well, pretty fucking high, in my opinion it is. its not like astronomical and not superbly expensive by any means. But its not 1000 ped. if i only had 1000 ped to my name as my bankroll id obviously not run the gear i run. Just, incase anyone got it confused

 

[Art Jennifer]

1. accuracy enhancers increase dpp increasing the amount of MU dropping.

This isn’t true..

DPP allows your ped to go further. Lower cost to kill mobs, means more mobs killed. More loot occasions and more chance to loot MU items..

DPP has zero direct effect on MU and does not increase the amount dropped.

 

[Mika]

This isn’t true..

DPP allows your ped to go further. Lower cost to kill mobs, means more mobs killed. More loot occasions and more chance to loot MU items..

DPP has zero direct effect on MU and does not increase the amount dropped.

oh, always thought it was that dpp increased the chance, not amount, and eff increased amount of returns , in any regard then it is even more important to retain the accu enhancers id say